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      10-13-2012, 04:09 AM   #287
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The price remains the same on the kit no matter which HP level or boost level you want.
The hardware is the same.
Just a different supercharger pulley, belt and software are supplied.
All of the R&D was done at the same time so we cannot justify charging more money for parts that cost exactly the same that are different in size.

Boost levels will be 5-5.5, 6.5-7 and 7.5-8 psi

Boost and HP will naturally fluctuate with ambient temperature.

For different octane fuels the only thing that usually and logically needs changing in the software is the target ignition. We will post more information on this and the software.
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1/4 mile at the uk famous Santa pod race way...
Massive wheel spin off the line on stock 19's and continental CS3. Hitting 124 mph trap speed.

1st through to beginning of third at this point is all wheel spin.

Lightly modified 135i's are killing us off the line. We catch up of course half way down.

Need more driving talent and better tyres!

Trap speed is very satisfying so far with the very poor launches.

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124mph trap speeds on your first time out at the strip with massive spin is pretty freaking impressive!!

Throw some 18s and Michelin Pilot Super Sports or Advan AD08s and see how fast you can go with street tires!!

Check out this incredible thread that DLSJ5 put together for the forum and see where you guys stand against some other great contributions by other forum members!

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=630463

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11.29 @ 126.70 MPH - 1.84 60' - akh23456 / E90 M3 DCT /AA Stage 2 / 93 Octane / WM / Street tires
11.61 @ 123.17 MPH - 1.83 60' - Smokeyob / E92 M3 DCT / ESS VT600 / Akrapovic Evolution / 93 Oct/ Pilot Super Sport
11.68 @ 122.44 MPH - 1.87 60' - 1SICKM / E92 M3 DCT / ESS VT 535 / 93 octane / Street tires
Keep up the data collection because this will really prove to people how great of a product you all have developed.
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Can you give the link to pricing?
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Can you give the link to pricing?
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showpos...&postcount=275

I believe he shares pricing on this link.

I hope someone bought this in the USA already..

I'm about to pull the trigger on an SC kit, still deciding which one.
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I believe he shares pricing on this link.

I hope someone bought this in the USA already..

I'm about to pull the trigger on an SC kit, still deciding which one.
Evolve needs a client in the West Coast to grab a kit since you guys have nice weather all year round. You should be the first if there isn't one already!! That way despite Winter coming up, we can finally see some legit results.

DO IT!!!!!!!
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Evolve needs a client in the West Coast to grab a kit since you guys have nice weather all year round. You should be the first if there isn't one already!! That way despite Winter coming up, we can finally see some legit results.

DO IT!!!!!!!
I would love to, and I've talked to Sal about it. I'm not willing to spend that much, it's just not worth it for me. The car is incredibly fast now without any FI.

I'm also paranoid with the whole 2008 bearing issues debacle being that my car is a 12/07 build. If Sal made me an offer I couldn't refuse I would love to put it to the ultimate test
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Intake picture..



and the CFD results

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I believe he shares pricing on this link.

I hope someone bought this in the USA already..

I'm about to pull the trigger on an SC kit, still deciding which one.
Let me help you decide...THIS ONE!
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I would love to, and I've talked to Sal about it. I'm not willing to spend that much, it's just not worth it for me. The car is incredibly fast now without any FI.

I'm also paranoid with the whole 2008 bearing issues debacle being that my car is a 12/07 build. If Sal made me an offer I couldn't refuse I would love to put it to the ultimate test
The difference between a tuned NA with bolt ons and this setup is massive.

The dyno graphs and on road performance clearly show this.

Good luck finding an air to air setup much cheaper than this.
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The difference between a tuned NA with bolt ons and this setup is massive.

The dyno graphs and on road performance clearly show this.

Good luck finding an air to air setup much cheaper than this.
Never said it wasn't. It's adding 5-8lbs of boost, of course it's going to be faster. This isn't really disputed.

All I'm saying is that my car is plenty fast without supercharging it. Puts a smile on my face any time I lay into it, and I've driven very high horsepower cars, 600+ rwhp.

I don't care about air to air, or air to water. As long as it's reliable, has reasonable IAT temperatures, and most of all is cost efficient. The car already gets me in trouble, so I can't imagine having it with a blower. Would I s/c it if the price was right? Yup, wouldn't even think twice.

I'm more or less even with a stock E60 M5 and that's fast enough for me. Maybe I'll pick up a used kit in a year, as I plan on keeping this car forever and am in no rush
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All I'm saying is that my car is plenty fast without supercharging it. Puts a smile on my face any time I lay into it...

I don't care about air to air, or air to water. As long as it's reliable, has reasonable IAT temperatures, and most of all is cost efficient. The car already gets me in trouble, so I can't imagine having it with a blower. Would I s/c it if the price was right? Yup, wouldn't even think twice.

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Maybe I'll pick up a used kit in a year, as I plan on keeping this car forever and am in no rush
Funny. I am basically in the exact same boat. I have already looked at a couple of used kits. Used is absolutely the best bang for the buck. Can be huge. I feel like almost all M3 parts are over priced, so I almost exclusively buy used and get near new condition parts at around 30-50% off.
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Funny. I am basically in the exact same boat. I have already looked at a couple of used kits. Used is absolutely the best bang for the buck. Can be huge. I feel like almost all M3 parts are over priced, so I almost exclusively buy used and get near new condition parts at around 30-50% off.
Exactly, I figure since I didn't let someone else take the depreciation by buying my car new, that I could let someone take the depreciation on my supercharger The only thing that I would consider remotely close to an "investment" in my car are the Akra Evo and the BBS LM's as they tend to hold their value very well.
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What material is your intake made out of?

It's not pre-preg CF like the E39 M5 kits or is it hehe?
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Never said it wasn't. It's adding 5-8lbs of boost, of course it's going to be faster. This isn't really disputed.

All I'm saying is that my car is plenty fast without supercharging it. Puts a smile on my face any time I lay into it, and I've driven very high horsepower cars, 600+ rwhp.

I don't care about air to air, or air to water. As long as it's reliable, has reasonable IAT temperatures, and most of all is cost efficient. The car already gets me in trouble, so I can't imagine having it with a blower. Would I s/c it if the price was right? Yup, wouldn't even think twice.

I'm more or less even with a stock E60 M5 and that's fast enough for me. Maybe I'll pick up a used kit in a year, as I plan on keeping this car forever and am in no rush
Clearly the car puts a big enough smile on your face.

You don't care about air to air vs air to water?

We built this kit to perform consistently under continual hard use. We went to alot of effort to use premium parts and go air to air. If that's not really something of high priority for you then I suggest another kit which you can get thousands of dollars cheaper with your trade discount.

You see, you are not just a normal customer. You are a vendor on here. You work on these cars (coding and NA calibrations). I would expect you to buy a kit based on something a little more than just cost efficiency and appreciate the differences between cooling strategies.

If we wanted to build a kit which was cheap we would have gone small cast plenum, air to water with small sized cores, an OEM pre rad, a simple flat bracket and a blower which is a bit cheaper.

You have completely missed the point and those that are showing a real interest and have purchased appreciate what the kit delivers:

- Premium grade parts
- High level air to air intercooler
- Upgrade path to motorsport level intercooler
- Superb throttle response
- Excellent low and midrange torque under partial load aswell as full load
- Excellent top end power
- No cutting major or minor structural parts

As per your text, it's NOT JUST ABOUT PEAK HP ON A DYNO!

We have basically not made any major compromises and still bought the system to the market at what we think is a reasonable cost for what you get.

You have had your price. No amount of posting here or saying you don't really need it will change the price.

I really don't care how much business you think you will bring to us because you will have it on your car. That's not the kind of marketing we are interested in. If the kit cannot sell itself on what it is with a reasonable amount of information + honest unbiased reviews then that's the way it is.

There is a large following outside of the forums and our dealer global dealer network who are taking up the first few batches anyway.

Seriously, if you want a cheap kit, buy something else. Quality comes at a price. There are lots of sayings!

Or I could make you a cheap one from some of the development parts left over if you want! I cannot say you will like the plenum as much as the production version but it does perform exactly the same It does have one advantage. You can play around with the velocity stack length on this one. The kit has all of the weaker test components on it (which still won't break). The blower has some serious hard hard miles on it too which include hundreds dyno pulls, a good 20-30 hours under constant high boost load and countless road miles. Oh we over span it a few times too just to see what it's capable of. 10% over the speed limit was done and the thing kept on producing more linear boost. Shame the seals and bearings cannot cope with extended use! Let me know and we can do a deal on that one.
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^^

That is the exact reason why if I were personally in the position to and had the financial ability to that this would be the kit I'd get. I really enjoyed the candid nature of Evolve Automotive with their product development. With their fair and reasonable pricing, it's nice knowing what you are really paying for. Through this development thread we've seen this kit come to fruition and there is no denying that for the most part, no expense was really spared, yet the end pricing is reasonable.

I can't wait to see more feedback and reviews from some of their clients! In the mean time, I must have to live vicariously through their YouTube videos and photos, haha.
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You don't care about air to air vs air to water?

We built this kit to perform consistently under continual hard use. We went to alot of effort to use premium parts and go air to air. If that's not really something of high priority for you then I suggest another kit which you can get thousands of dollars cheaper with your trade discount.

...

If we wanted to build a kit which was cheap we would have gone small cast plenum, air to water with small sized cores, an OEM pre rad, a simple flat bracket and a blower which is a bit cheaper.

You have completely missed the point and those that are showing a real interest and have purchased appreciate what the kit delivers:

...

As per your text, it's NOT JUST ABOUT PEAK HP ON A DYNO!

We have basically not made any major compromises and still bought the system to the market at what we think is a reasonable cost for what you get.

You have had your price. No amount of posting here or saying you don't really need it will change the price.

I really don't care how much business you think you will bring to us because you will have it on your car. That's not the kind of marketing we are interested in. If the kit cannot sell itself on what it is with a reasonable amount of information + honest unbiased reviews then that's the way it is.

There is a large following outside of the forums and our dealer global dealer network who are taking up the first few batches anyway.

Seriously, if you want a cheap kit, buy something else. Quality comes at a price. There are lots of sayings!

...
That's awfully defensive.

There is no doubt among any of us that you guys have put together a very fine, high end kit. I understand defense of a product that you have poured your brains, hours and passion into. In that way defensiveness is a good thing.

But is there overkill? If some of your parts absolutely won't fail or break in their weaker versions then the intentionally stronger ones are over-engineered (by definition) and perhaps then also overpriced. We can revisit the machined plenum topic. Machining really is not the most cost effective process to make such a part. Machining does provide the least up front costs and actaully requires less engineering (mold engineering is expensive and almost an art to it).

At the end of the day, what real world performance or longevity advantages are you bringing to the table compared to lower priced kits? Do you have any quantitative comparisons? For example will your system exhibit less power loss under hard conditions in high ambient temperatures? If so, again some quantification or comparison would be great. Most folks have no problem spending more for more performance but personally what I look for is the ratio - the old bang for the buck point of view.
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That's awfully defensive.

There is no doubt among any of us that you guys have put together a very fine, high end kit. I understand defense of a product that you have poured your brains, hours and passion into. In that way defensiveness is a good thing.

But is there overkill? If some of your parts absolutely won't fail or break in their weaker versions then the intentionally stronger ones are over-engineered (by definition) and perhaps then also overpriced. We can revisit the machined plenum topic. Machining really is not the most cost effective process to make such a part. Machining does provide the least up front costs and actaully requires less engineering (mold engineering is expensive and almost an art to it).

At the end of the day, what real world performance or longevity advantages are you bringing to the table compared to lower priced kits? Do you have any quantitative comparisons? For example will your system exhibit less power loss under hard conditions in high ambient temperatures? If so, again some quantification or comparison would be great. Most folks have no problem spending more for more performance but personally what I look for is the ratio - the old bang for the buck point of view.
+1. As long as the over-engineering provides for a significant advantage over the competition without unnecessarily costing more, I'm all for it. That's all I'm going to say on the matter, it seems based on your texts that I'm upsetting you Sal, so I'll stay out of it.

Your reply to me was incredibly defensive. So much so that I don't even want to bother responding at length (or even consider) this kit anymore. Good luck Sal. You've basically said that everything but what you produce is inferior - that's not letting your product speak for itself.

Looking forward to seeing positive results and real worth comparisons to other seemingly successful kits that are available now.
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All of the weaker parts used are more expensive to produce.
We used a process called rapid prototyping which uses CAD models to produce products from nylon. The production process of these parts does not come down no matter how many are produced.
The by product of rapid prototyping is that you can test many variations of one part and have it produced quickly.
Production parts are much cheaper to produce.
Some of the expensive parts such as the air separators inside the plenum are there to ensure equal distribution of air flow across all cylinders. This is functional but to us essential to stop any one cylinder running lean. We will put up an image of how this looks.
Other areas of expense for example is the bracket system. The outer cover may seem like it's there for looks but the function is something different altogether. The idler pulleys and tensioners are given massive reinforcement by now allowing them to have outward forces applied which in turn increases their life. Of course the bracket is also much stronger.
The final major expense is the intercooler.
This was done because of demand of air to air and also because the recovery rate is non compatible to a air to water system which can actually be packaged in such a tight space.
Temperatures will rise on any system but for us the recovery and stability was of most importance.

It's by no means the most expensive kit.
If you compare to other top level kits it's actually cheaper once you factor in that we include the programming cable and the special xylan finish on the plenum.



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That's awfully defensive.

There is no doubt among any of us that you guys have put together a very fine, high end kit. I understand defense of a product that you have poured your brains, hours and passion into. In that way defensiveness is a good thing.

But is there overkill? If some of your parts absolutely won't fail or break in their weaker versions then the intentionally stronger ones are over-engineered (by definition) and perhaps then also overpriced. We can revisit the machined plenum topic. Machining really is not the most cost effective process to make such a part. Machining does provide the least up front costs and actaully requires less engineering (mold engineering is expensive and almost an art to it).

At the end of the day, what real world performance or longevity advantages are you bringing to the table compared to lower priced kits? Do you have any quantitative comparisons? For example will your system exhibit less power loss under hard conditions in high ambient temperatures? If so, again some quantification or comparison would be great. Most folks have no problem spending more for more performance but personally what I look for is the ratio - the old bang for the buck point of view.
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why hasn't there been pics of a finished kit with xylan coating yet? I'm curious to see what it looks like before ordering...
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We will update with pics next week hopefully.
Worst case week after.
Production is in process right now.
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