Michelin PS2 or Super Sport - Page 2

mmm def · 02-14-2012, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by WangTa

Got it - anyone have any recommendations for an installer in SoCal/LA?

http://www.tirerack.com/installer/index.jsp

WangTa · 02-14-2012, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mmm def

http://www.tirerack.com/installer/index.jsp

oh, all tire racks are "trusted" installers?

mmm def · 02-14-2012, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by WangTa

oh, all tire racks are "trusted" installers?

no tire rack is where I recommend buying the tires, and then they have a list on their website of installers they recommend. Obviously this is just my opinion, you could always go to a local tire shop in your area and see if they can work out a deal with you.

**ben@tirerack** · 02-15-2012, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by WangTa

oh, all tire racks are "trusted" installers?

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Originally Posted by mmm def

no tire rack is where I recommend buying the tires, and then they have a list on their website of installers they recommend. Obviously this is just my opinion, you could always go to a local tire shop in your area and see if they can work out a deal with you.

mmm def, thanks for the recommendation.

WangTa, Tire Rack sells tires online or by phone and delivers them. We only install tires at our headquarters in Indiana. So we provide a list of installers who have agreed in advance to install tires for Tire Rack customers.

Hope that clears up any confusion.

Blue92 · 02-16-2012, 02:52 PM

Ben,
Any idea how soon the 265/40/18's will be in? I'm ready for a full set (front & rear) in the very near future! Fronts you have in stock...

Thanks,

**ben@tirerack** · 02-16-2012, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue92

Ben,
Any idea how soon the 265/40/18's will be in? I'm ready for a full set (front & rear) in the very near future! Fronts you have in stock...

Thanks,

No word as of yet. They had said March, then late March. There's still no production date scheduled so that's starting to look doubtful. I think they want to get some out for the spring, but they have not given a firm date yet, nor confirmed a production schedule.

We have some follow-up inquiries pending with Michelin.

bmwm3gt · 02-16-2012, 09:14 PM

thanks ben

Blue92 · 02-17-2012, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ben@tirerack

No word as of yet. They had said March, then late March. There's still no production date scheduled so that's starting to look doubtful. I think they want to get some out for the spring, but they have not given a firm date yet, nor confirmed a production schedule.

We have some follow-up inquiries pending with Michelin.

Thanks Ben, Michelin is apparently just teasing some of us with the new PSS. I really don't want to mix tread patterns...

Please keep us in the loop.

Moxie · 02-18-2012, 06:30 AM

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naterater · 02-24-2012, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sleeper519

^^ Those are terrible sizes!

Who wants 40 and 45 aspect ratio tires in 19"s?? They won't be selling many to M3 owners.

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Originally Posted by ben@tirerack

They already make the original 18" and 19" for the M3. Those sizes are for other cars.

To answer your question on who would want the 40 series 19" tires, I looked at one size, 285/40R19.

The following brands all would use that size if running a 19" wheel. Did not include every individual model in cases where more than one model for a given brand was compatible.

Aston Martin
Bentley
BMW (5 Gran Turismo)
Dodge Challenger (and its siblings on the LX platform)
Ferrari
Infiniti
Lexus
Maserati
Mercedes GLK
Nissan GT-R
Porsche Panamera

Ben is right.. Wasn't for the BMW crowd. Think they were really shooting for the Porsche Panamera.

smmmurf · 02-26-2012, 02:16 AM

I'm going to be the sole dissenter here. I like the way the car rides and handles on PS2's better.

I have a stock M3 sedan with approximately -1.5 negative camber all around and 1/16th toe in front.
PSS on RAC Monolites 18" 245/40R18 front 265/40R18 rear
PS2 on OEM 18" with OEM sizes, 245/40R18 front 265/40R18 rear

PSS:
More grip wet and dry
Longer wear (looks like it's going to last 20-30% longer)
Car feels "bound up." Requires about 75% throttle to break the car loose in 2nd gear turns.
Harsher impacts on broken pavement and potholes.

PS2:
Less grip wet and dry
Faster wear
Car is more neutral and breaks away with about 50% throttle in 2nd gear turns.
Smoother ride with less crashing noises over bumps.

I think the PSS may be a better for people with stiffer (aftermarket or ZCP) suspension. To me, the PSS is a bit too grippy for the shocks/springs on a standard, stock M3 causing additional body roll. The car is more playful on PS2's, IMO.

The difference is not huge but I will probably burn up my PS2's before I go back to the PSS's (I have several sets of wheels/tires in the garage). For the money, I'd probably go with the PSS's since the OEM PS2's are ridiculously priced.

MMMMM3 · 10-12-2012, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by smmmurf

I'm going to be the sole dissenter here. I like the way the car rides and handles on PS2's better.

I have a stock M3 sedan with approximately -1.5 negative camber all around and 1/16th toe in front.
PSS on RAC Monolites 18" 245/40R18 front 265/40R18 rear
PS2 on OEM 18" with OEM sizes, 245/40R18 front 265/40R18 rear

PSS:
More grip wet and dry
Longer wear (looks like it's going to last 20-30% longer)
Car feels "bound up." Requires about 75% throttle to break the car loose in 2nd gear turns.
Harsher impacts on broken pavement and potholes.

PS2:
Less grip wet and dry
Faster wear
Car is more neutral and breaks away with about 50% throttle in 2nd gear turns.
Smoother ride with less crashing noises over bumps.

I think the PSS may be a better for people with stiffer (aftermarket or ZCP) suspension. To me, the PSS is a bit too grippy for the shocks/springs on a standard, stock M3 causing additional body roll. The car is more playful on PS2's, IMO.

The difference is not huge but I will probably burn up my PS2's before I go back to the PSS's (I have several sets of wheels/tires in the garage). For the money, I'd probably go with the PSS's since the OEM PS2's are ridiculously priced.

Just got a nail in one of my rear tires and had to replace the ps2 with super sport. The load rating is 101 instead of the 97 for the ps2. Much stiffer tire wall. Why didn't they make a 97 rated tire for the m3 in a 265/40 18?

Mike Benvo · 10-12-2012, 10:17 AM

Supersport 110%

Love them.

ortho281 · 10-12-2012, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by gthal

MUCH better than the PS2 in every way. PS2 is being phased out over time and the PSS replacement is, IMO, incomparably better. Better wet/dry traction, more comfortable, less money, quieter and better tread life. There is zero reason to buy the PS2 if you can get the PSS in the sizes you want.

+1 except, I just switched from PS2 to PSS and found the ride quality to be a little harsher than the 2 previous sets of PS2's. Agreed, the wet/dry traction of the PSS is much better than the PS2. I believe the difference in ride quality and handling is due to the PSS having a stiffer sidewall than the PS2.

MMMMM3 · 10-12-2012, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ortho281

+1 except, I just switched from PS2 to PSS and found the ride quality to be a little harsher than the 2 previous sets of PS2's. Agreed, the wet/dry traction of the PSS is much better than the PS2. I believe the difference in ride quality and handling is due to the PSS having a stiffer sidewall than the PS2.

It has a much stiffer side wall with a 101 load rating in the 265/40 18 size compared with a 97 load rating in the ps2. Should be able to fix the problem by putting the pressure down to 30-31psi instead of the recommended 35psi for the ps2 in the rear (18 inch) tires.

See table to work out the pressures for your size tires and for different load rated tires:

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=519804

ortho281 · 10-13-2012, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by MMMMM3

It has a much stiffer side wall with a 101 load rating in the 265/40 18 size compared with a 97 load rating in the ps2. Should be able to fix the problem by putting the pressure down to 30-31psi instead of the recommended 35psi for the ps2 in the rear (18 inch) tires.

See table to work out the pressures for your size tires and for different load rated tires:

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=519804

Thanks for the info. This makes sense. I will try lowering pressures.

osteome · 10-13-2012, 12:49 PM

I love my Super Sports and have no regrets. Tire Rack was great to work with on this set and they arrived quickly.

Arkaid · 10-14-2012, 10:45 PM

Very impressed with the super sports. More racy of a tire, but still retains good daily driver characteristics.

02-16-2012, 02:52 PM	#27
Blue92 Private Drives: 2009 E92 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: W. Arkansas Posts: 77 iTrader: (0)	Ben, Any idea how soon the 265/40/18's will be in? I'm ready for a full set (front & rear) in the very near future! Fronts you have in stock... Thanks, __________________ Delivered 02/20/09 LeMans Blue/6MT/EDC

02-26-2012, 02:16 AM	#33
smmmurf Lieutenant Colonel Drives: 2009 M3 Sedan 6MT Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Pleasanton, CA Posts: 1,974 iTrader: (7)	I'm going to be the sole dissenter here. I like the way the car rides and handles on PS2's better. I have a stock M3 sedan with approximately -1.5 negative camber all around and 1/16th toe in front. PSS on RAC Monolites 18" 245/40R18 front 265/40R18 rear PS2 on OEM 18" with OEM sizes, 245/40R18 front 265/40R18 rear PSS: More grip wet and dry Longer wear (looks like it's going to last 20-30% longer) Car feels "bound up." Requires about 75% throttle to break the car loose in 2nd gear turns. Harsher impacts on broken pavement and potholes. PS2: Less grip wet and dry Faster wear Car is more neutral and breaks away with about 50% throttle in 2nd gear turns. Smoother ride with less crashing noises over bumps. I think the PSS may be a better for people with stiffer (aftermarket or ZCP) suspension. To me, the PSS is a bit too grippy for the shocks/springs on a standard, stock M3 causing additional body roll. The car is more playful on PS2's, IMO. The difference is not huge but I will probably burn up my PS2's before I go back to the PSS's (I have several sets of wheels/tires in the garage). For the money, I'd probably go with the PSS's since the OEM PS2's are ridiculously priced. __________________ M3 Sedan LCI - AW/Black - 6MT - no moonroof - no folding seats - RAC RG63 - clear bra by Omega Werks SFR SCCA Spec Miata Champion & driving coach (NASA, NCRC, PTech, private) Last edited by smmmurf; 02-26-2012 at 02:22 AM.

10-12-2012, 10:17 AM	#35
Mike Benvo BimmerPost Supporting Vendor Drives: BPMSport M3 / 7 Series Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 3,216 iTrader: (6)	Supersport 110% Love them. __________________ -----\| Like us on Facebook \| Instagram \|\| Tuning Information \| Remote Coding \|----- ----Visit us at www.BPMSport.com - Emotion. Driven. \| Toll Free: (888) 557-5133----

10-13-2012, 12:49 PM	#39
osteome Captain Drives: 2009 M3 E93 SSII/Bamboo Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Lansing, KS Posts: 949 iTrader: (2)	I love my Super Sports and have no regrets. Tire Rack was great to work with on this set and they arrived quickly. __________________ 2009 M3 E93 Silverstone II over Bamboo: 6MT, Tech, Premium, Cold, Premium Sound, Ipod, 19'' Wheels, OEM Exhaust Mod.

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02-16-2012, 09:14 PM	#29
bmwm3gt New Member Drives: none Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: none Posts: 5 iTrader: (0)	thanks ben

02-18-2012, 06:30 AM	#31
Moxie Lieutenant Colonel Drives: AW E90 M3/SG 335d Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Stuttgart Posts: 1,778 iTrader: (10)	SA- Tire Rack Exclusive: Get a $70 Value Reward Card When you purchase any set of four (4) MICHELIN® brand passenger or light truck tires you may be eligible to receive a Tire Rack American Express®-branded Reward Card valued at $70 by mail. Offer valid on tires purchased from Tire Rack’s in-stock inventory between 12:00 a.m. EST February 12, 2012 and 11:59 p.m. EST February 26, 2012.

10-14-2012, 10:45 PM	#40
Arkaid New Member Drives: JB E46 M3 Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 19 iTrader: (0)	Very impressed with the super sports. More racy of a tire, but still retains good daily driver characteristics.