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      10-08-2012, 09:09 AM   #133
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Can't match a C2S in driving dynamics? I drove the 991 C2S and it doesn't even impress me. I went into the test drive hoping to get it to replace my M3, but went away very disappointed. I wont take it over my E92 M3. Please don't tell me the Ferrari i have lusted all these years can't even match up to that? A 458 not matching up to a C2S? Ok, i rest my case...
Again, that's your opinion. Tell me then, why was it that even a very accomplished PROFESSIONAL driver (Randy Pobst) was impressed by it along with every other person who drove it in that comparo and said it was better than the Lambo and Mclaren? You must be a very, very accomplished professional driver to not be impressed when even Randy was. So tell me, what races have you won? Maybe the 24 hours of lemans? Maybe the overall winner of the GT2 class of ALMS? Because anything short of that and youre just lying to yourself.
When did I say anything about the 458 not matching a Carrera S?? I do believe the 458 cant match a GT3RS or RS 4.0 though...and I know people who own both that would swear to this.
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      10-08-2012, 09:13 AM   #134
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First of all...very much dislike Obama...Ill leave it at that.

Ive owned a 996 911, 996 Turbo Cabrio and a Cayman S...and have been able to drive 997.2 GT3s on many weekends during the summer as my cousin owned one but was driven and kept mostly by me during this time.
I never said the 911 was the most exotic car. Short of a CGT, there isnt a Porsche that will garner more attention than a Ferrari or Lamborghini...but it also isnt supposed to at the same time.
I have been in my fair share of Gallardo and 458 Italias too and yes they garner a lot of attention but at the same time the people I know who own both a Porsche and a Ferrari never have better things to say about the Ferrari than the Porsche...just a matter of opinion.



If you READ what I wrote, I said it cant match it in driving dynamics. Only one who needs to get a life is you buddy...if you dont like what I opine on, dont read it.
You just agreed with me on my point about the Porsche. Once again, I'm simply saying that IMO the 991S, while a great car and will most likely prove to be more reliable than a Gallardo, F430 or AMV, is not woth $140K to me. I (and most general non fanboi types) would prefer a more exotic car at that price point like a 3-4 year old F430 or Gallardo.

I know that you despise Obama as much as I do and I know the Porsches you have owned Greg. You fell for my "questioning" on what Porsches you (or your father, save for the CaymanS) have owned and the "Obama" comment hook, line and sinker.

If you would just stop being such a Porsche fanboi, all would be ok. It's the reason you have been banned from here before under different user names. Its a damn shame too because when you aren't suckling on the Porsche teet, you offer some good insight on the M3 (i.e. exhaust, wheels, etc.).
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You just agreed with me on my point about the Porsche. Once again, I'm simply saying that IMO the 991S, while a great car and will most likely prove to be more reliable than a Gallardo, F430 or AMV, is not woth $140K to me. I (and most general non fanboi types) would prefer a more exotic car at that price point like a 3-4 year old F430 or Gallardo.

I know that you despise Obama as much as I do and I know the Porsches you have owned Greg. You fell for my "questioning" on what Porsches you (or your father, save for the CaymanS) have owned and the "Obama" comment hook, line and sinker.

If you would just stop being such a Porsche fanboi, all would be ok. It's the reason you have been banned from here before under different user names. Its a damn shame too because when you aren't suckling on the Porsche teet, you offer some good insight on the M3 (i.e. exhaust, wheels, etc.).
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      10-08-2012, 10:44 AM   #136
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You just agreed with me on my point about the Porsche. Once again, I'm simply saying that IMO the 991S, while a great car and will most likely prove to be more reliable than a Gallardo, F430 or AMV, is not woth $140K to me. I (and most general non fanboi types) would prefer a more exotic car at that price point like a 3-4 year old F430 or Gallardo.

I know that you despise Obama as much as I do and I know the Porsches you have owned Greg. You fell for my "questioning" on what Porsches you (or your father, save for the CaymanS) have owned and the "Obama" comment hook, line and sinker.

If you would just stop being such a Porsche fanboi, all would be ok. It's the reason you have been banned from here before under different user names. Its a damn shame too because when you aren't suckling on the Porsche teet, you offer some good insight on the M3 (i.e. exhaust, wheels, etc.).
Again, never claimed a 911 was the most exotic car...just that it has cache in its' own right.
And furthermore, those ARE the Porsche I HAVE owned. 996 911 was a college graduation present and bought the 996 turbo cab a couple years ago as a summer car. Wouldnt expect you to know that though.
Wether you can see it or not, I do enjoy the M3...it has been one of THE most enjoyable cars of the many I have owned. I already have a deposit on the F3/8x already too.
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Again, never claimed a 911 was the most exotic car...just that it has cache in its' own right.
And furthermore, those ARE the Porsche I HAVE owned. 996 911 was a college graduation present and bought the 996 turbo cab a couple years ago as a summer car. Wouldnt expect you to know that though.
Wether you can see it or not, I do enjoy the M3...it has been one of THE most enjoyable cars of the many I have owned. I already have a deposit on the F3/8x already too.
Don't disagree..... ANY 911 Porsche carries some level of cache IMO.

Perhaps your overwhelming affinity for Porsche, and your posts indicating such, overshadows any positive posts you have made here on this forum for BMW M3's.

The jury is still out for me on the new M3/M4. Not sold on the looks of the F8x.
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I test drove a fully-loaded 991 C2S on Saturday. honestly, I wasn't too impressed. It seems to have lost much of the excitement that has always been typical of 911's. It feels noticeably bigger and more stable, and while that will appeal to 95% of Porsche buyers (as will the unnecessarily large 20" wheels coming standard on the S), it was a disappointment to me. no question that this is due to the wider front track and longer wheelbase (though I must say that turn-in is much improved). steering feel was also unfavorable. however, the optional sport exhaust sounds sensational (very crackly on downshifts).

while I have no question that this will be a home-run car for Porsche, personally, I'd take a 997 over it and spend the change on track days. I, for one, loved my 997 for its go-kart-like dynamics and feeling of nervousness driving near the limit - it made you feel much more alive.
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I can't understand how some of you are unimpressed with this car...lol.

Do you realize how fast 7:38 is....especially compared to the cars that run that time???

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/10/07/p...-time-w-video/

Sorry, I can't get it to embed. Video here:

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I can't understand how some of you are unimpressed with this car...lol.

Do you realize how fast 7:38 is....especially compared to the cars that run that time???

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/10/07/p...-time-w-video/

Sorry, I can't get it to embed. Video here:

if driving were all about lap times or other metrics measured on paper (and by other drivers, no less), we'd all probably be driving different cars. that's an extremely impressive lap time for sure, but I think some of the reviews in this thread (or at least mine just above) are more multi-dimensional.
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      10-10-2012, 08:08 AM   #141
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I can't understand how some of you are unimpressed with this car...lol.

Do you realize how fast 7:38 is....especially compared to the cars that run that time???

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/10/07/p...-time-w-video/

Sorry, I can't get it to embed. Video here:

Thanks for posting, hadnt seen that...its certainly an impressive car, and even more so when you do consider the fact that a 458 italia (and other much higher powered cars that are 2-3 times more expensive) is slower on this track even though it has nearly 50% more power.
As someone who has owned both 911s and a Cayman S, the 991 IMO much more closely drives like a Cayman S now...I dont know a single person whos even been dissapointed in the handling and planted feeling of a cayman s...only that in the 991's case you have a very fast car rather than just a quick car. I can understand how some people dont like that its now easier to drive, but all in all, what it brings to the table is astonishing given the 'paper stats' (read significant overachiever).
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There is no way a 991 Carrera S will keep up with a 458, LFA, ZR1 or current rev of a GTR. That video is Porsche produced propaganda.
All of the cars mentioned in Autoblog have had considerably faster 'ring times when their manufacturers were running laps. Its really apples and oranges to compare a manufacturers ring time to an independent magazines results.
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      10-10-2012, 12:54 PM   #143
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There is no way a 991 Carrera S will keep up with a 458, LFA, ZR1 or current rev of a GTR. That video is Porsche produced propaganda.
All of the cars mentioned in Autoblog have had considerably faster 'ring times when their manufacturers were running laps. Its really apples and oranges to compare a manufacturers ring time to an independent magazines results.
Well, the sport auto time wasnt much different (different days/conditions etc), especially considering that sport auto only does a single hot lap. So yes, 7:38 is absolutely spot on.

Just for comparo, all done by sport auto

GT3 RS 4.0 - 7:30
2011 GTR - 7:36
458 Italia - 7:38
LFA -7:38
991S - 7:44
Corvette ZR-1: 7:38
Lexus LFA: 7:38

Few others for comparison as well:

SLS AMG: 7:40
Ferrari F430 Scuderia: 7:40
Mercedes MacLaren SLR: 7:42
Lamborghini LP-670 Super veloce: 7:42
Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera: 7:46

Looks like it keeps up damn well (and better than some much higher hp cars) especially considering these were done on different days with different tires.

Considering the 991S has at least 100 hp less than all the other cars says a lot about the chasis and what its capable of so, again, it does keep up.
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Does it blow the M3 away? No. But it is clearly a superior performance car.
On the track it does.

Isn't it like 27+ seconds quicker around the ring.
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Isn't it like 27+ seconds quicker around the ring.
No, it's not. The E92 M3 was timed at 8.05 on street tires. Haven't seen the 991 time but I can guarantee you it isn't 7.38. However, it is still likely about 20 seconds faster which is still a lot, though it will be interesting to see how the f82 does as that's a fairer comparison with regard to age.

The P-car should still edge it, but I'd bet it's down to around 12 seconds or so difference which is pretty good for something with four seats and a trunk.
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Well, the sport auto time wasnt much different (different days/conditions etc), especially considering that sport auto only does a single hot lap. So yes, 7:38 is absolutely spot on.

Just for comparo, all done by sport auto

GT3 RS 4.0 - 7:30
2011 GTR - 7:36
458 Italia - 7:38
LFA -7:38
991S - 7:44
Corvette ZR-1: 7:38
Lexus LFA: 7:38

Few others for comparison as well:

SLS AMG: 7:40
Ferrari F430 Scuderia: 7:40
Mercedes MacLaren SLR: 7:42
Lamborghini LP-670 Super veloce: 7:42
Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera: 7:46

Looks like it keeps up damn well (and better than some much higher hp cars) especially considering these were done on different days with different tires.

Considering the 991S has at least 100 hp less than all the other cars says a lot about the chasis and what its capable of so, again, it does keep up.


Let me repeat: There is no way a 991 Carrera S keeps up with any of those cars. You're cherry picking data. My GTR would absolutely destroy the 991 Carrera S in any condition.
If you compare manfacturers 'ring times it isn't even close. The ZR1 I believe is around 7:19, the GTR is around 7:24, LFA was 7:14 with 'ring package, etc.
Watch Tiff run them head to head:



Not. Even. Close.
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On the track it does.

Isn't it like 27+ seconds quicker around the ring.
My reference was with regards to spirited street driving. I don't have a Nurburgring near where I live
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No, it's not. The E92 M3 was timed at 8.05 on street tires. Haven't seen the 991 time but I can guarantee you it isn't 7.38. However, it is still likely about 20 seconds faster which is still a lot, though it will be interesting to see how the f82 does as that's a fairer comparison with regard to age.

The P-car should still edge it, but I'd bet it's down to around 12 seconds or so difference which is pretty good for something with four seats and a trunk.
New M3 will likely break into the low 7:50 range...slightly quicker than the M5/M6.

There are 2 Ring times for the 991S posted in this thread. One at 7:38 and the other 7:44, so yes, again, this car is right in the high 7:3X to low 7:4X range. Something no other car with even close to 400 hp has been able to accomplish. Either way, its a good 20-25 seconds faster than our e9X m3s and faster than any production BMW...closest being the m3 GTS at 7:48.

Even the new M3 coming within 12 seconds is a huge way off...but again different cars for different purposes. I doubt the new C63, rs4, etc or the likes will match it.
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How does the C4S compare in overall driving dynamics and ring times?
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I love the 991s but couldn't get past the wind buffeting at high speeds, inability to fit an 18 in wheel and high cost. For the cost of a 991s with performance options only I was able to purchase a 2010 GT3RS with 4000 miles and cpo for nearly 4 years.
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How does the C4S compare in overall driving dynamics and ring times?
Likely little slower on the ring due to higher drag (wide body car) more weight (65lbs for AWD and wide body). On a short track higher corner exit speed by the C4S may offset this but the ring has long fast sections.
I am about the get the new (991) C4S for DD. Still not entirely convinced that I need it or I am doing the right thing. It will be $80K after trading in the M3. Just not sure. Thought about waiting for the turbo, but that would be even more.
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I bought a 2010 gt3 last weekend and having second thoughts in my purchase. While its an amazing car, it's extremely loud and uncomfortable and quite honestly not looking for attention from cops or anyone else. I am seriously considering buying a fully optioned 991 s and will most likely be putting on my gt3 for sale. It's anyone is interested and has the money please send me a pm and let's talk.
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Likely little slower on the ring due to higher drag (wide body car) more weight (65lbs for AWD and wide body). On a short track higher corner exit speed by the C4S may offset this but the ring has long fast sections.
I am about the get the new (991) C4S for DD. Still not entirely convinced that I need it or I am doing the right thing. It will be $80K after trading in the M3. Just not sure. Thought about waiting for the turbo, but that would be even more.
I would think 0-60 would be quicker though due to the AWD advantage. Do you get snow in Omaha? I will be curious to hear your impressions of the C4S as a daily driver.
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