BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   M3Post - BMW M3 Forum > E90/E92 M3 Technical Topics > Wash, Wax, Detail, Cosmetic Maintenance & Repairs
 
European Auto Source
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      09-26-2012, 04:40 PM   #1
6spdg37s
Captain
20

 
Drives: none
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: dirty jerz


Posts: 753
iTrader: (3)

best store bought leather cleaner for e46

Since, I sold my z06, and I am waiting for my M to come in , my grandfather lent me his extra car which is a 03 330ci convt; 43k miles and pretty sure its never had the leather cleaned.

I have dealt with adams and some high end leather cleaners in the past. But time is limited for me so which cleaner can I buy in pep boys/ auto zone, advance auto parts ,etc;

what brand will clean it up nice and then condition/protect it?

I have used mothers in the past when my friend had it at close reach on one of my cars.
Appreciate 0
      09-26-2012, 05:13 PM   #2
rjd598
Brigadier General
United_States
54

 
rjd598's Avatar
 
Drives: 10' M3
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: San Diego,CA


Posts: 4,620
iTrader: (2)

Garage List
2010 BMW M3  [4.50]
1999 BMW M3  [0.00]
i've seen lexol in walmart before not sure about where you live but alot people will go with lexol. otherwise meguiars is your best bet
__________________
Appreciate 0
      09-27-2012, 12:31 PM   #3
eclipsisNA
Colonel
United_States
114

 
Drives: 2013 Estoril 328i M Sport
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Beverly Hills, CA


Posts: 2,938
iTrader: (6)

Garage List
2014 BMW 428i  [3.88]
Quote:
Originally Posted by rjd598 View Post
i've seen lexol in walmart before not sure about where you live but alot people will go with lexol. otherwise meguiars is your best bet
The common Lexol cleaners and conditioners (brown and orange bottles) are not meant for the leather found in modern BMWs, or most other manufacturers for that matter. BMW leather is urethane protected semi-aniline leather, meaning it has a protective coating (think clear coat for leather) over the hide. This type of leather has a low absorbancy rate, so water-based cleaners and conditioners are required, whereas oil-based cleaners and conditioners (Lexol) won't be absorbed by the surface, as it's moisture resistant.

Lexol is oil based, and using oil-based products on urethane coated leather accelerates the breakdown of the urethane layer.
Appreciate 0
      09-27-2012, 01:50 PM   #4
rjd598
Brigadier General
United_States
54

 
rjd598's Avatar
 
Drives: 10' M3
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: San Diego,CA


Posts: 4,620
iTrader: (2)

Garage List
2010 BMW M3  [4.50]
1999 BMW M3  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by eclipsisNA;1274****
The common Lexol cleaners and conditioners (brown and orange bottles) are not meant for the leather found in modern BMWs, or most other manufacturers for that matter. BMW leather is urethane protected semi-aniline leather, meaning it has a protective coating (think clear coat for leather) over the hide. This type of leather has a low absorbancy rate, so water-based cleaners and conditioners are required, whereas oil-based cleaners and conditioners (Lexol) won't be absorbed by the surface, as it's moisture resistant.

Lexol is oil based, and using oil-based products on urethane coated leather accelerates the breakdown of the urethane layer.
then why do so many people use lexol? is that big of a majority misinformed
__________________
Appreciate 0
      09-27-2012, 03:36 PM   #5
6spdg37s
Captain
20

 
Drives: none
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: dirty jerz


Posts: 753
iTrader: (3)

I tried lexol idk if it worked that well or not... what brand is water based so I can try that as well and do a comparison?
Appreciate 0
      09-27-2012, 03:46 PM   #6
eclipsisNA
Colonel
United_States
114

 
Drives: 2013 Estoril 328i M Sport
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Beverly Hills, CA


Posts: 2,938
iTrader: (6)

Garage List
2014 BMW 428i  [3.88]
Quote:
Originally Posted by rjd598 View Post
then why do so many people use lexol? is that big of a majority misinformed
Good question. I guess Lexol doesn't try to make it clear that its most popular products shouldn't be used on the majority of auto leather. Lexol should be used on leather without a protective layer. An example I've seen in person are horse saddles, where (I believe) they lack a protective layer and the oils in Lexol penetrate the hide to keep it moisturized.
Appreciate 0
      09-27-2012, 04:04 PM   #7
Z K
Colonel
United_States
26

 
Z K's Avatar
 
Drives: E90 M3
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: San Francisco


Posts: 2,152
iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by eclipsisNA View Post
Good question. I guess Lexol doesn't try to make it clear that its most popular products shouldn't be used on the majority of auto leather. Lexol should be used on leather without a protective layer. An example I've seen in person are horse saddles, where (I believe) they lack a protective layer and the oils in Lexol penetrate the hide to keep it moisturized.
What would you recommend for leather that is very dry looking, showing white in the creases? I've tried Leather Masters, Leatherique and other things and they all don't do anything to remove the white dry look.

This is kinda what it looks like. This is not my car but looks similar. You can see the white showing in the leather creases.
Appreciate 0
      09-27-2012, 06:05 PM   #8
eclipsisNA
Colonel
United_States
114

 
Drives: 2013 Estoril 328i M Sport
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Beverly Hills, CA


Posts: 2,938
iTrader: (6)

Garage List
2014 BMW 428i  [3.88]
Quote:
Originally Posted by 6spdg37s View Post
I tried lexol idk if it worked that well or not... what brand is water based so I can try that as well and do a comparison?
Give this a try:

http://www.detailersdomain.com/Leath...ner_p_292.html

Quote:
Originally Posted by Z K View Post
What would you recommend for leather that is very dry looking, showing white in the creases? I've tried Leather Masters, Leatherique and other things and they all don't do anything to remove the white dry look.

This is kinda what it looks like. This is not my car but looks similar. You can see the white showing in the leather creases.
It could be that the side bolster is heavily worn and the white you're seeing are areas where the urethane or color is removed. I can't be positive without seeing it. If Leather Master Soft or Strong couldn't remove the marks, I don't know what could remove the marks without degrading the rest of the leather.
Appreciate 0
      09-27-2012, 07:18 PM   #9
tom @ eas
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor
United_States
315


 
tom @ eas's Avatar
 
Drives: BMW
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Anaheim, CA


Posts: 10,502
iTrader: (13)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by eclipsisNA;1274****
The common Lexol cleaners and conditioners (brown and orange bottles) are not meant for the leather found in modern BMWs, or most other manufacturers for that matter. BMW leather is urethane protected semi-aniline leather, meaning it has a protective coating (think clear coat for leather) over the hide. This type of leather has a low absorbancy rate, so water-based cleaners and conditioners are required, whereas oil-based cleaners and conditioners (Lexol) won't be absorbed by the surface, as it's moisture resistant.

Lexol is oil based, and using oil-based products on urethane coated leather accelerates the breakdown of the urethane layer.
Good to know. What's your opinion on Leatherique?
__________________
Appreciate 0
      09-28-2012, 07:28 AM   #10
Templar
Lieutenant Colonel
United_States
31

 
Templar's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 E92 M3
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: One of the coasts...


Posts: 1,818
iTrader: (1)

Garage List
2011 BMW M3  [5.00]
__________________
'11 BMW E92 ///M3 - ZCP and DCT
'13 Toyota Tundra - 4x4 Platinum CrewMax, 5.7l iForce V8
Appreciate 0
      09-28-2012, 09:55 AM   #11
eclipsisNA
Colonel
United_States
114

 
Drives: 2013 Estoril 328i M Sport
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Beverly Hills, CA


Posts: 2,938
iTrader: (6)

Garage List
2014 BMW 428i  [3.88]
Quote:
Originally Posted by tom @ eas View Post
Good to know. What's your opinion on Leatherique?
I don't have any personal experience with Leatherique, only Leather Master and Lexol.

With BMW leather, put a few drops of water on your seat and you'll notice that it doesn't soak into the leather; it'll just stand on top. Products like Lexol are meant to soak into untreated leather that lack a topcoat and keep them moisturized. If you use something like Lexol Conditioner on your seats, you'll notice a "stickiness" after application, that's because the conditioner will sit on top of the urethane without penetrating it. Water-based products are meant to clean the urethane and evaporate after use, that's why you can't feel a sticky layer.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Templar View Post
Problem?
Appreciate 0
      09-28-2012, 10:09 AM   #12
1MOREMOD
2014 Track Days - 11|Ridge 1:52:24|Pacific 1:35:72
United_States
163

 
1MOREMOD's Avatar
 
Drives: Race car->
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: check your mirrors


Posts: 12,643
iTrader: (5)

i use a smartwax product and think it does a decent job.
__________________

02 Tiag e46 M3|6MT|GC plates|MCS c.o.|GC bars|GC race control arms|GC bushings|BW eng. & tran. mounts|subframe kit|BW race shifter|BW Jaffster|Euro header|BW exhaust|K&N c.a.i.|Epic race tune|Rouge pulleys|Seibon CF hood|CSL bumper|ST-40|XR-2|SS lines|half cage|Recaro profi|Profi 2 harness|BMWpedals|BW studs|
Appreciate 0
      09-28-2012, 10:52 AM   #13
rjd598
Brigadier General
United_States
54

 
rjd598's Avatar
 
Drives: 10' M3
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: San Diego,CA


Posts: 4,620
iTrader: (2)

Garage List
2010 BMW M3  [4.50]
1999 BMW M3  [0.00]
i think more people prefer leatherique to leather masters
__________________
Appreciate 0
      09-28-2012, 02:37 PM   #14
eclipsisNA
Colonel
United_States
114

 
Drives: 2013 Estoril 328i M Sport
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Beverly Hills, CA


Posts: 2,938
iTrader: (6)

Garage List
2014 BMW 428i  [3.88]
Quote:
Originally Posted by chriszeh View Post
i use a smartwax product and think it does a decent job.
SmartWax makes a decent leather cleaner and conditioner, as does CG.

togwt (who I believe is a member here) compiled some great info on this subject if anyone is interested:

http://www.autopia.org/forum/autopia...ml#post1451654
Appreciate 0
      09-28-2012, 03:11 PM   #15
sensi09
Lieutenant Colonel
18

 
Drives: .
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: socal


Posts: 1,766
iTrader: (1)

What about a mix of woolite and water for general cleaning? I do that right now.....is that not recommended?
Appreciate 0
      09-28-2012, 03:13 PM   #16
Templar
Lieutenant Colonel
United_States
31

 
Templar's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 E92 M3
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: One of the coasts...


Posts: 1,818
iTrader: (1)

Garage List
2011 BMW M3  [5.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by sensi09 View Post
What about a mix of woolite and water for general cleaning? I do that right now.....is that not recommended?
A water-dampened microfiber towel can usually lift most of the everyday dirt and dust. That is all I do in between using Leatherique, which is only a couple of times a year.
__________________
'11 BMW E92 ///M3 - ZCP and DCT
'13 Toyota Tundra - 4x4 Platinum CrewMax, 5.7l iForce V8
Appreciate 0
      09-28-2012, 04:17 PM   #17
Z K
Colonel
United_States
26

 
Z K's Avatar
 
Drives: E90 M3
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: San Francisco


Posts: 2,152
iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by eclipsisNA View Post
Give this a try:

http://www.detailersdomain.com/Leath...ner_p_292.html



It could be that the side bolster is heavily worn and the white you're seeing are areas where the urethane or color is removed. I can't be positive without seeing it. If Leather Master Soft or Strong couldn't remove the marks, I don't know what could remove the marks without degrading the rest of the leather.
Cleaning with Leather Master Strong doesn't do anything. I can darken the leather a bit and mask the white marks with the leather master protectant and vital but it will eventually show white again after a few days.
Appreciate 0
      10-01-2012, 01:49 AM   #18
mpower4life
Private First Class
5

 
mpower4life's Avatar
 
Drives: E36 Avus Blue M3 / E39 M5
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Vancouver, WA


Posts: 100
iTrader: (0)

A lot of people use products that are not exactly.... The best. Anyone who markets a product well is going to sell. Ask any professional and I highly doubt they use a product like Lexol for their go to leather treatment.
__________________
BMW: THE ATHLETE IN A SUIT
Appreciate 0
      10-07-2012, 04:50 PM   #19
ussoldierforhire
Lieutenant
United_States
16

 
Drives: 2011 M3 E92
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Virginia Beach, VA


Posts: 561
iTrader: (1)

Anyone used this product? http://www.chemicalguys.com/Leather_...spi_101_16.htm
Appreciate 0
      10-07-2012, 04:56 PM   #20
rjd598
Brigadier General
United_States
54

 
rjd598's Avatar
 
Drives: 10' M3
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: San Diego,CA


Posts: 4,620
iTrader: (2)

Garage List
2010 BMW M3  [4.50]
1999 BMW M3  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by ussoldierforhire View Post
Yea I have. I think it's good it does exactly what it claims and a little goes a long way. It does have cleaning power too but obviously not alot. It's just good for picking up dirt that you didn't pick up with your leather cleaner. It does smell like leather...not new car smell. It smells just like new leather like a leather jacket or something.
__________________
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:16 PM.




m3post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST