BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   M3Post - BMW M3 Forum > E90/E92 M3 Technical Topics > Engine, Transmission, Exhaust, Drivetrain, ECU Software Modifications
 
ESS Tuning
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      10-06-2012, 12:12 AM   #23
Moxie
Lieutenant Colonel
 
Moxie's Avatar
 
Drives: AW 328d Touring/SG 335d
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Stuttgart

Posts: 1,855
iTrader: (11)

Quote:
Originally Posted by SAINT VAN ROCK View Post
Personally, I'd go Eisenmann.....as mentioned above Akrapovic looks great, but the sound is weak.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BIU View Post
Eisenmann sport here and loving every moment of it !
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaylin032 View Post
Ditto. I picked Eisenmann race because of the sound quality. People turn their head expecting to see a big block muscle car, but when they see that a modern BMW can sound like that, they grin from ear to ear.

KP
Listen to both & decide. IMO, Akra looks better but doesn't sound as good as Eisenmann & costs more. For what you pay new for the slip on here, you can get a HFC & Sport set up. I would go with the Sport if you are going to add a midpipe.
Moxie is offline   Germany
0
Reply With Quote
      10-06-2012, 02:11 AM   #24
manari06
Captain
 
manari06's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 E92 M3 Mineral White
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Illesheim, Germany

Posts: 993
iTrader: (6)

Garage List
2013 BMW M3 E92  [4.75]
2007 335I Coupe  [5.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by armyav8tor View Post
Oh, didn't know you guys were still down there. Good luck with everything, tell some of the old guys CPT Wong send his regards. I was with 2-159th from 05-09.
Will do Brother!!!!
manari06 is offline   Germany
0
Reply With Quote
      10-06-2012, 02:15 AM   #25
manari06
Captain
 
manari06's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 E92 M3 Mineral White
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Illesheim, Germany

Posts: 993
iTrader: (6)

Garage List
2013 BMW M3 E92  [4.75]
2007 335I Coupe  [5.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moxie View Post
Listen to both & decide. IMO, Akra looks better but doesn't sound as good as Eisenmann & costs more. For what you pay new for the slip on here, you can get a HFC & Sport set up. I would go with the Sport if you are going to add a midpipe.
I have heard both on videos and the Akra personally, would would love to hear the Eisenmann in person! If anything I would wait until I take delivery and meet with the M Flight club members I know one of them must have Einsenmann installed.
manari06 is offline   Germany
0
Reply With Quote
      10-06-2012, 02:19 AM   #26
manari06
Captain
 
manari06's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 E92 M3 Mineral White
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Illesheim, Germany

Posts: 993
iTrader: (6)

Garage List
2013 BMW M3 E92  [4.75]
2007 335I Coupe  [5.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by DevJ View Post
I honestly don't know why people are so in love with the rear section of the akra exhaust. it looks good, but you can hardly even hear the exhaust. it's way too quiet. I wouldn't wanna drop $3000+ on an exhaust that I can barely hear..but whatever I guess its just not my cup of tea.

If you want a quiet exhaust, get the akra, if not, get the eisenmann...now the full akra is a different story..
Yeah you right I can probably get more with Eisenmann! I guess I'll have to wait to hear it in person and then decide.
manari06 is offline   Germany
0
Reply With Quote
      10-06-2012, 02:21 AM   #27
radiantm3
Apex Everything!
 
radiantm3's Avatar
 
Drives: >1000 HP in my garage
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Danville, CA

Posts: 3,731
iTrader: (5)

Garage List
2011 E92 M3  [4.80]
2013 BMW X5M  [4.33]
Not one mention of the weight loss that comes with the Akra. Is the Eisenmann stainless steel or titanium?
__________________
(1:40 @ Laguna Seca, 2:03 @ Thunderhill, 1:52 @ Infineon)
radiantm3 is online now   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      10-06-2012, 03:02 AM   #28
F16RCE
Private
 
F16RCE's Avatar
 
Drives: e92 M3 DCT
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Hertfordshire

Posts: 92
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by radiantm3 View Post
Not one mention of the weight loss that comes with the Akra. Is the Eisenmann stainless steel or titanium?
+1.


Persoally i would reccomend the full akra system with an evolve remap. Changes the characteristic of the car as well as the noise. The Akra isnt the loudest but the actual noise is very exotic. Never heard an eissenman to compare too.
F16RCE is offline   United Kingdom
0
Reply With Quote
      10-06-2012, 05:08 AM   #29
manari06
Captain
 
manari06's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 E92 M3 Mineral White
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Illesheim, Germany

Posts: 993
iTrader: (6)

Garage List
2013 BMW M3 E92  [4.75]
2007 335I Coupe  [5.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by radiantm3 View Post
Not one mention of the weight loss that comes with the Akra. Is the Eisenmann stainless steel or titanium?
True That!
manari06 is offline   Germany
0
Reply With Quote
      10-06-2012, 07:08 AM   #30
armyav8tor
n1smo
 
armyav8tor's Avatar
 
Drives: E92 M3
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: North Carolina

Posts: 1,425
iTrader: (1)

Garage List
Yeah, I didn't want to sound bias in my first post but I have the Akra EVO and love it!!! :P
armyav8tor is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      10-06-2012, 07:21 AM   #31
manari06
Captain
 
manari06's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 E92 M3 Mineral White
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Illesheim, Germany

Posts: 993
iTrader: (6)

Garage List
2013 BMW M3 E92  [4.75]
2007 335I Coupe  [5.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by armyav8tor View Post
Yeah, I didn't want to sound bias in my first post but I have the Akra EVO and love it!!! :P
Do you have the full Exhaust or just the Slip on?
manari06 is offline   Germany
0
Reply With Quote
      10-06-2012, 07:32 AM   #32
armyav8tor
n1smo
 
armyav8tor's Avatar
 
Drives: E92 M3
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: North Carolina

Posts: 1,425
iTrader: (1)

Garage List
Full, Akrapovic Evolution. The one with the HFCs so you'll either have to get a tune or Delete-R to get rid of the check engine light.
armyav8tor is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      10-06-2012, 07:41 AM   #33
manari06
Captain
 
manari06's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 E92 M3 Mineral White
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Illesheim, Germany

Posts: 993
iTrader: (6)

Garage List
2013 BMW M3 E92  [4.75]
2007 335I Coupe  [5.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by armyav8tor View Post
Full, Akrapovic Evolution. The one with the HFCs so you'll either have to get a tune or Delete-R to get rid of the check engine light.
Ok Cool.
manari06 is offline   Germany
0
Reply With Quote
      10-06-2012, 09:02 AM   #34
armyav8tor
n1smo
 
armyav8tor's Avatar
 
Drives: E92 M3
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: North Carolina

Posts: 1,425
iTrader: (1)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by manari06 View Post
Ok Cool.
Representing Neustadt an der Aisch!


You're going to love the Akrapovic, and the Germans will not give you crap either because it is not obnoxiously loud. Take care.
armyav8tor is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      10-06-2012, 10:55 AM   #35
Moxie
Lieutenant Colonel
 
Moxie's Avatar
 
Drives: AW 328d Touring/SG 335d
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Stuttgart

Posts: 1,855
iTrader: (11)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Team Plutonium View Post
Akra for looks, Eisenmann for sound.
^^ From someone that's had both
Moxie is offline   Germany
0
Reply With Quote
      10-06-2012, 11:23 AM   #36
tma1c
Lieutenant
 
tma1c's Avatar
 
Drives: 08 E93 6MT M3
Join Date: May 2008
Location: philly

Posts: 567
iTrader: (12)

Send a message via AIM to tma1c
akra all day!
tma1c is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      10-06-2012, 12:59 PM   #37
manari06
Captain
 
manari06's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 E92 M3 Mineral White
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Illesheim, Germany

Posts: 993
iTrader: (6)

Garage List
2013 BMW M3 E92  [4.75]
2007 335I Coupe  [5.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by armyav8tor View Post
Representing Neustadt an der Aisch!


You're going to love the Akrapovic, and the Germans will not give you crap either because it is not obnoxiously loud. Take care.
Thanks Brother you be save flying!!!
manari06 is offline   Germany
0
Reply With Quote
      10-06-2012, 01:01 PM   #38
manari06
Captain
 
manari06's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 E92 M3 Mineral White
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Illesheim, Germany

Posts: 993
iTrader: (6)

Garage List
2013 BMW M3 E92  [4.75]
2007 335I Coupe  [5.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Team Plutonium View Post
Akra for looks, Eisenmann for sound.
Yeah I like the way it sounds and it doesn't drone this is why I'm leaning more towards Akra.
manari06 is offline   Germany
0
Reply With Quote
      10-06-2012, 01:03 PM   #39
manari06
Captain
 
manari06's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 E92 M3 Mineral White
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Illesheim, Germany

Posts: 993
iTrader: (6)

Garage List
2013 BMW M3 E92  [4.75]
2007 335I Coupe  [5.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Team Plutonium View Post
Yup, and to be honest, I really miss the Eisenmann Race sound. People who would hear it would go through a whole range of emotions: shock, awe, happiness, and disbelieve. It never failed to put smile on a kids face be it at the grocery store, gas station, or school. My neighbors would shake their heads, but still had to smile.

Anyway, did I mention that I miss that sound?
LOL! I just need to hear it in person!!! I know that either of them sounds way better than Stock!!!
manari06 is offline   Germany
0
Reply With Quote
      10-06-2012, 07:10 PM   #40
sycd
Lieutenant
 
sycd's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 M3 ZCP DCT
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: USA

Posts: 409
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
I don't have either but I'm going through the same process, and also considering m perf and borla atak. A big benefit of the akra is having an upgrade path to full Evo down the road.

I have only 3500 miles on my car and don't want to risk my warranty yet with the full system.

Another factor in my mind is that even though a loud exhaust sounds good at first, it can get old with time. I traded a mustang for the bimmer to have a car more balanced and refined and I don't want to try to make the m3 sound like a muscle car which it is not.

Also I'm afraid the drone of the eisenmann race will get to me. I had exhausts with drone on older cars and it made me literally sick, I know some people react to it differently than others.

Anyway, just wanted to share some thoughts from a guy going through the same excruciating decisions.
__________________
2013 X5 xDrive50i | Carbon Black | M Sport + M Perf, 333M Wheels
Sold: 2012 E92 M3 | Jet Black, Fox Red/Black | DCT, ZCP
sycd is offline   No_Country
0
Reply With Quote
      10-06-2012, 10:21 PM   #41
Giggs
Major
 
Giggs's Avatar
 
Drives: R8
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: SoCal

Posts: 1,128
iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by sycd
I don't have either but I'm going through the same process, and also considering m perf and borla atak. A big benefit of the akra is having an upgrade path to full Evo down the road.

I have only 3500 miles on my car and don't want to risk my warranty yet with the full system.

Another factor in my mind is that even though a loud exhaust sounds good at first, it can get old with time. I traded a mustang for the bimmer to have a car more balanced and refined and I don't want to try to make the m3 sound like a muscle car which it is not.

Also I'm afraid the drone of the eisenmann race will get to me. I had exhausts with drone on older cars and it made me literally sick, I know some people react to it differently than others.

Anyway, just wanted to share some thoughts from a guy going through the same excruciating decisions.
Akra. Its perfect in my opinion. No drone, power boost, doesnt piss off your neighbors. Yeah its not the loudest out there but the sound is one of a kind, exotic of sorts. And the question is, do you want loud or do you want quality? People at the meets like Eismenn because its loud and racelike - gets attention too.. Go into public and the Akra gets smiles and compliments all day long, even by the average joe on the street. The best part is if you want escape your exhaust noise you just roll up the window with Akra. Ive heard Eismenn is too loud to escape, but again I've only owned Akra And only heard Eismenn at meets. Eismenn sounds incredible but its too loud for my taste. When Im not at meets and driving on the street I dont want to sound like Im on a race track. Just my opinion

Ps. I know what you mean about "too loud" getting old. 3 years ago when I first bought my truck I threw a Flomaster on it. I was stoked at how loud it was for about 3 weeks, then it just annoyed me. I immediately switced out to a Borla and have been happy ever since. With the Akra on my M I still get a smile every time I start up. Never gets old
Giggs is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      10-07-2012, 02:21 AM   #42
manari06
Captain
 
manari06's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 E92 M3 Mineral White
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Illesheim, Germany

Posts: 993
iTrader: (6)

Garage List
2013 BMW M3 E92  [4.75]
2007 335I Coupe  [5.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by sycd View Post
I don't have either but I'm going through the same process, and also considering m perf and borla atak. A big benefit of the akra is having an upgrade path to full Evo down the road.

I have only 3500 miles on my car and don't want to risk my warranty yet with the full system.

Another factor in my mind is that even though a loud exhaust sounds good at first, it can get old with time. I traded a mustang for the bimmer to have a car more balanced and refined and I don't want to try to make the m3 sound like a muscle car which it is not.

Also I'm afraid the drone of the eisenmann race will get to me. I had exhausts with drone on older cars and it made me literally sick, I know some people react to it differently than others.

Anyway, just wanted to share some thoughts from a guy going through the same excruciating decisions.
Hope you can decide on the right one, Akrapovic is my 1st choice but want to hear the Eisenmann before making the decision thou. I guess I can wait until I meet with M Flight I know that some of the members have them both installed and I can hear it then.
manari06 is offline   Germany
0
Reply With Quote
      10-07-2012, 02:23 AM   #43
manari06
Captain
 
manari06's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 E92 M3 Mineral White
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Illesheim, Germany

Posts: 993
iTrader: (6)

Garage List
2013 BMW M3 E92  [4.75]
2007 335I Coupe  [5.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Giggs View Post
Akra. Its perfect in my opinion. No drone, power boost, doesnt piss off your neighbors. Yeah its not the loudest out there but the sound is one of a kind, exotic of sorts. And the question is, do you want loud or do you want quality? People at the meets like Eismenn because its loud and racelike - gets attention too.. Go into public and the Akra gets smiles and compliments all day long, even by the average joe on the street. The best part is if you want escape your exhaust noise you just roll up the window with Akra. Ive heard Eismenn is too loud to escape, but again I've only owned Akra And only heard Eismenn at meets. Eismenn sounds incredible but its too loud for my taste. When Im not at meets and driving on the street I dont want to sound like Im on a race track. Just my opinion

Ps. I know what you mean about "too loud" getting old. 3 years ago when I first bought my truck I threw a Flomaster on it. I was stoked at how loud it was for about 3 weeks, then it just annoyed me. I immediately switced out to a Borla and have been happy ever since. With the Akra on my M I still get a smile every time I start up. Never gets old
+1
manari06 is offline   Germany
0
Reply With Quote
      10-07-2012, 05:03 AM   #44
IntegraXTR
Lieutenant
 
Drives: 2008 E92 M3
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Hawaii

Posts: 458
iTrader: (1)

i just recently sold my eisenmann race for an akra and to tell you the truth, i love both!

the eisenmann race was a deep deep note, and around 3000 rpm it would drone slightly. i didn't mind the loud exhaust note because i used to have a NSX with a loud (but amazing sound). the akra is mild to me if anything...the only time it's loud is the start up/warm up of the car, it sets off alarms lol.

anyways overall the sound from both, i just like the weight savings and look of the akra, which is why i sold my eisenmann.

happy motoring with either one you choose!
IntegraXTR is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:01 AM.




m3post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST