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      06-18-2011, 02:55 AM   #45
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What's the issue?

Just as a follow up: My SA said there is an SIB for this, but I have yet to take it in. I was out of town for a while, and when I came back I fell back in love with the car, 6MT and all. I'm waiting to see if things get worse or if another issues comes up before I take it in. Sure, it's hard to downshift into the 2nd gear gate, but i think my E46 was the same way.
I really doubt there is a Sib as I have been asking my dealer for a long time and they keep telling me there are no known issues for this problem and nothing is reported that allows them to honor a swap. Basically if you have any information or a SIB I could point at it would be a HUGE help as my dealer has basically told me to get lost when I report my problems.
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      06-18-2011, 03:32 AM   #46
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i've had issues with putting into 1st and 2nd gear.. my reaction was like WTF is going on and why isn't it going in gear. my lease is up in december ... should i bother taking it in for it?

i kinda feel its not worth it and soon enough it will be bmw's problem
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      06-18-2011, 11:08 AM   #47
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I really doubt there is a Sib as I have been asking my dealer for a long time and they keep telling me there are no known issues for this problem and nothing is reported that allows them to honor a swap. Basically if you have any information or a SIB I could point at it would be a HUGE help as my dealer has basically told me to get lost when I report my problems.
exact words from SA on my voicemail:

"there is an SIB for diagnosing the notch - the 2nd gear issue you described - some notchiness is normal, but we want you to bring it in so we can take a look."

Again, after i came back in town, i was like this car is fine, it's just the forums that make me paranoid. If something comes up, i will pursue it further. also, i will probably need an oil change soon. I will have them diagnose it then, with me in the car and report back after that.
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      07-20-2011, 04:13 PM   #48
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exact words from SA on my voicemail:

"there is an SIB for diagnosing the notch - the 2nd gear issue you described - some notchiness is normal, but we want you to bring it in so we can take a look."

Again, after i came back in town, i was like this car is fine, it's just the forums that make me paranoid. If something comes up, i will pursue it further. also, i will probably need an oil change soon. I will have them diagnose it then, with me in the car and report back after that.
Did you ever get this diagnosed?

I have some notchiness and when I put it into 2nd, it sounds like a door bolt sliding into place when locking. Kinda a metallic sound. Is this normal?
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      07-20-2011, 04:16 PM   #49
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Did you ever get this diagnosed?

I have some notchiness and when I put it into 2nd, it sounds like a door bolt sliding into place when locking. Kinda a metallic sound. Is this normal?
Not yet. I have an appointment in a couple weeks. I will be sure to update the community on any relevant findings.
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      07-20-2011, 04:22 PM   #50
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Bro you gotta remind me i need to pull the reciept from BMW. if you pm me tonight ill be able to get it.
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If there is a SIB for the 2nd gear issue can someone please share it.
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If there is a SIB for the 2nd gear issue can someone please share it.
I forgot to remind Sean05, again! I think he has some paperwork that will help. I will let you guys know what I come up with after my service appointment. There are a lot of guys on here that have had the tranny replaced, I'm sure. So, I'm hoping they can also chime on on what the procedure was and what the work order looked like.
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      07-21-2011, 04:12 PM   #53
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This is crazy I just test drove an 08 and it had this 2nd gear tightness issue. I test drove another and it was way smoother.. *shrug*
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      07-21-2011, 04:15 PM   #54
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exact words from SA on my voicemail:

"there is an SIB for diagnosing the notch - the 2nd gear issue you described - some notchiness is normal, but we want you to bring it in so we can take a look."
How notchy is this 1st to 2nd feel? I know my 335i had notchiness, but fact is so did all my MTs cars. Think about it 2nd to 3rd is milliseconds slower in shifting than 1st to 2nd because of the its position on the GB ... that millisecond lets the synchro fully match up.

In higher gears your wheel speed gear match your engine gear much better because you've already built up the wheel speed gear and gears are closer in ratio in 3-6 than 1-2

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The closer to a 1 - 1 ratio means the engine's output (to the trans) and the Transmissions output (to the tires) are equal.

(USING LAYMAN TERMS) - Just to help some of the members out.
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      07-21-2011, 04:27 PM   #55
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Bro you gotta remind me i need to pull the reciept from BMW. if you pm me tonight ill be able to get it.
Sean, sent you a PM.

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I forgot to remind Sean05, again! I think he has some paperwork that will help. I will let you guys know what I come up with after my service appointment. There are a lot of guys on here that have had the tranny replaced, I'm sure. So, I'm hoping they can also chime on on what the procedure was and what the work order looked like.
Sounds good. Thanks and good luck!
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      07-30-2011, 10:17 PM   #56
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Sounds good. Thanks and good luck!
Update: full service summary here: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=565772

My transmission was deemed to be completely normal. The resistance from 1->2 and 3->2 is considered within normal range. Shop foreman said it feels great. I think this forum gets me over thinking about things! time for me to shut up and drive.
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      07-31-2011, 12:11 AM   #57
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I understand no car is perfect, but this thread is really scaring me away.

I'm about to ditch leasing a 335i (don't want HPFP issues), in order to save up for a couple years and finance a CPO M3 (e92 hopefully). After reading this thread, I feel like I'm not so safe going with the M3. It will be my first MT car, and I just don't know what to ask/say
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      09-28-2012, 01:56 PM   #58
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For those that had tranny replaced, did you replace the fluid after 1,200 miles?
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      09-28-2012, 02:25 PM   #59
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For those that had tranny replaced, did you replace the fluid after 1,200 miles?
yes i did.i paid for it myself,the mechanic,who is a friend of mine,suggested it.i figured it made sense,since i just gotten a new trans paid for by bmw.

my work order for the trans replacement said "found second gear syncro failed." there was no mention of any service bulletin.hth
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      10-03-2012, 12:04 PM   #60
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Getting my transmission replaced this week. Has anyone experienced the same issue after having the replacement complete? I am worried that the same tranny would be used; thereby, just delaying the inevitable.
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      10-03-2012, 05:35 PM   #61
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mine has definitely been better after the replacement,i'm glad i did it.besides doing the 1200 mile fluid replacement i mentioned ,i also followed the manual's break-in rec for a new or "renewed" trans of not exceeding 5500 rpm for 300 miles.maybe the first owner didn't do that.

with my old one,the mechanic thought someone had missed or jammed a shift before i had it,not that there was any inherent defect in the trans.the 1-2 shift is not perfect now,but much smoother.as post #54 said,this shift is inherently the most difficult.the 3-2 downshift works great if i blip the throttle first.all the other shifts are like buttah,especially when it's warmed up.good luck.
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I just had my transmission replaced 2 weeks ago at BMW South County. My third gear would vibrate all the time to the point of hearing it. My first thread on M3Post was actually about that problem and it got no responses but a year after complaining about it to 4 different BMW dealers, they finally replaced it. Thus far, everything is running very smoothly. I wasn't told about replacing the fluid though after 1200 miles. Should I be doing that?
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bmw pays for it to be done when a new car reaches 1200 miles as part of a break- in service which also includes oil and diff fluid.since my trans was new,i figured i'd treat it the same way,out of an excess of caution.
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...of not exceeding 5500 rpm for 300 miles.
This is gonna suck. Getting car back on Monday after a week and a half with it gone. Not sure I can curb the temptation!
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This is gonna suck. Getting car back on Monday after a week and a half with it gone. Not sure I can curb the temptation!
yeah,i know,it did suck because the car was otherwise broken in.i just figured i hope to keep this car for a long time,so i'd do it.it was an excess of caution thing.
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      10-05-2012, 03:55 PM   #66
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Mine is just as described in this thread. In addition, mine really doesn't like to go into first or reverse when cold. I have to engage second, then first, then reverse sometimes. I wish I would have dealt with it while under warranty. It wasn't THAT bad at that point though.

It's really ironic that I ended up with a 6MT with a crap tranny. I didn't even CONSIDER a DCT car because of all the things I'd heard about BMW automated manuals (E46 SMG specifically). Now it looks like DCTs are more problem free. Knowing what I know now, I still would have bought a 6MT though.
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