VAC Motorsports | VAC 4.4 S65 Stroker Kit Build (CP, Carrillo, Darton, Schrick) - Page 3

1SICKM · 09-05-2012, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by m33

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Originally Posted by Mike@VAC

We are in love with the S65, trust me. We hammer our 650hp '08 E92 (with bone stock engine) prob more than anyone and it just keeps on ticking.

I did 54 hot laps Supercharged at the Drag strip indeed a no joke engine !

I was witness to that beating....

Imran@Evolve · 09-06-2012, 03:29 AM

Good work Mike. Look forward to the results of this one.

Mike Benvo · 09-07-2012, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by flipm3

Great thread as always Mike! There's always a pack of information and something to be learned!

I can't wait to see the continuous progress of this motor!

If I recall correctly, and I don't mean to speak for Mike, but I think this car will be using a stand-alone. Not sure who's doing the tuning though.

What I want to see is a 4.4L S65 with aggressive cams and headwork properly tuned on the MSS65 DME.

... with stepped-long tube headers for auditory sake, haha.

You mean MSS60 DME - the MSS65 powers the S85 V10 Motor.

Personally I am a fan of using the stock engine management system, but a finely tuned standalone (although a lot more work) will do the trick. Experience with tuning the factory vanos profiles seems to be hit or miss. But I can tell you first hand that the MSS6x DME + Cams, with a properly amended vanos profile can make some serious power. I worked on an E60 M5 that had Schrick cams and it went from 420 baseline to 464whp with some dyno tuning and particular vanos changes to account for the different camshafts. It's also very important that whoever installs the camshafts does it properly, I have seen too many cars with the cam timing off due to improper installation. VAC is certainly on top of things, and I'm excited to see this build progress.

I used to live pretty close to VAC (this was 7 years ago though) and have been there a few times. My roomate in college, Steve Small, used to work there (around the time that the owner passed away), and I have always enjoyed vising the shop and seeing all of the serious eye candy there.

Keep up the good work!

italyix · 09-09-2012, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Benvo

But I can tell you first hand that the MSS6x DME + Cams, with a properly amended vanos profile can make some serious power. I worked on an E60 M5 that had Schrick cams and it went from 420 baseline to 464whp with some dyno tuning and particular vanos changes to account for the different camshafts.

Mike, not to hijack thread, but on the topic of cams do they pass SMOG here in Cali?

Soorena · 09-09-2012, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by m33

I did 54 hot laps Supercharged at the Drag strip indeed a no joke engine !

M-Power FTW! At least old M-Power, the new ones go into limp mode faster than a fat b!tch who sat down too fast.

Marco@McKennaPerformance · 09-09-2012, 02:14 PM

Amazing build. Looking forward to more pictures / updates.

Dellort_M3 · 09-09-2012, 07:43 PM

Subscribed.

Mike Benvo · 09-09-2012, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by italyix

Mike, not to hijack thread, but on the topic of cams do they pass SMOG here in Cali?

Yes, should pass although technically it's not a smog 'legal' change. But then again any of our mods aren't either

VF-Engineering · 09-10-2012, 06:40 PM

Subscribed.

Can't wait for updates and more pics!

Richbot · 09-10-2012, 07:03 PM

In for results impressions on cam tuning on the S65, with the blowers providing such an easy button for big power, NA development hasn't had the spotlight it should have on these cars with such an awesome starting point. Some of us who plan to keep our cars until we need a coffin and then be buried in them and will need a rebuild anyway might be interested in this kind of thing when it's time to freshen the motor...heh

Mike@VAC · 09-10-2012, 08:05 PM

I cant wait to get this thing on the engine dyno

Just waiting on a back ordered ECU :-\ Ugh.

Team Plutonium · 09-10-2012, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike@VAC

I cant wait to get this thing on the engine dyno

Just waiting on a back ordered ECU :-\ Ugh.

Man, I can't wait for that!

Have you guys done any S65 low-compression builds?

Mike@VAC · 09-10-2012, 08:27 PM

Yep. We have done S65 stock, FI and na stroker builds so far :0

Benvo - thanks. We may mess with the stock DME when we tear our E92 apart. Could be a fun winter project. Of course, we have to do a proper track build (S54 prob) also over the winter...it will be hard to prioritize!!

m3an · 09-10-2012, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike@VAC

Yep. We have done S65 stock, FI and na stroker builds so far :0

Benvo - thanks. We may mess with the stock DME when we tear our E92 apart. Could be a fun winter project. Of course, we have to do a proper track build (S54 prob) also over the winter...it will be hard to prioritize!!

Mike please message me; I spoke with the english chap who was leaving at VAC last week; still awaiting a quote for a similar NA build as well as a CP/Pauter sleeved 9 or 10:1 build; I have a motor if needed or he said that there's one at the shop still; lemme know, thanks!

m3buckeye · 09-10-2012, 09:02 PM

Any idea yet on price point?

Dinan is $26k for B&S 4.6L ($20k core)

http://www.dinancars.com/shop/D850-1...ne.aspx#page=1

C|3R1C · 09-10-2012, 09:04 PM

I'm curious on the price point too. I'm being very hopeful for an economical price

m3an · 09-10-2012, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by m3buckeye

Any idea yet on price point?

Dinan is $26k for B&S 4.6L ($20k core)

http://www.dinancars.com/shop/D850-1...ne.aspx#page=1

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Originally Posted by C|3R1C

I'm curious on the price point too. I'm being very hopeful for an economical price

best is to call as it is all going to vary. this isn't a off the shelf piece, and there are many options when it comes to building a piece.

Mike@VAC · 09-10-2012, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by m3an

best is to call as it is all going to vary. this isn't a off the shelf piece, and there are many options when it comes to building a piece.

^ This

m3an - I will follow up with you tomorrow. Timing is pretty good for the machine shop, we are getting things under control. Mark, you too!

I have 2 core S65s in house and 5 more on the way.

ps. Dinan charges $25k for
Dinan proprietary billet crankshaft
Dinan proprietary lightweight forged pistons
Dinan proprietary light-weight connecting rods
Balanced and blueprinted engine build
Dinan electronics and engine management software

No head work (at all), no TBs, standard oil system etc. Obviously they can offer everything if requested, price will be adjusted appropriately

Team Plutonium · 09-11-2012, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike@VAC

Yep. We have done S65 stock, FI and na stroker builds so far :0

Benvo - thanks. We may mess with the stock DME when we tear our E92 apart. Could be a fun winter project. Of course, we have to do a proper track build (S54 prob) also over the winter...it will be hard to prioritize!!

Sending a PM...

biglare · 09-14-2012, 02:08 AM

WOW!

Serious car porn!

Subscribed

Team Plutonium · 09-17-2012, 05:23 PM

Thanks Mike. Can you pm me some ballpark numbers before we go into further detail? Thanks!

dasGuttenM3 · 10-09-2012, 10:26 PM

any updates

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