BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   M3Post - BMW M3 Forum > E90/E92 M3 Technical Topics > Engine, Transmission, Exhaust, Drivetrain, ECU Software Modifications
 
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      09-07-2012, 05:52 PM   #1
Longboarder
Brigadier General
65
Rep
3,794
Posts

 
Drives: 2013 e92 M3
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Monarch Beach

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
2013 WRX STi  [4.00]
2011 997.2 Turbo S  [4.71]
2013 e92 M3  [4.55]
2013 BMW X5  [0.00]
2013 e92 M3 Dyno - 365 RWHP Stock

Went to EAS today to get a baseline dyno of my 2013 M3 today with only 300 miles on the ODO. Car is 100% stock. As some of you might know, the 2013's run the 240e software, which may have something to do with the results. EAS mentioned that the highest dyno number they saw on an M3 was 357...so the result was surprising to say the least. Here's a vid of one of the pulls...enjoy.

__________________
Daily: 2013 e92 M3 DCT / ESS VT2 650 S/C / Akrapovic Evolution / StopTech BBK
Track/Airstrip: 2011 997.2 Turbo S PDK / 725 HP / BBi suspension build
Beater: 2013 X5 3.5sport
YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCT1...eoFBszPIK0gf9w
Appreciate 0
      09-07-2012, 05:59 PM   #2
schnell325
Bored at work....
schnell325's Avatar
Canada
43
Rep
3,875
Posts

 
Drives: '08 M3,'11 335xi
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: BC

iTrader: (5)

Saw this on FB.

__________________
'08 M3: AA G2L3, Catless X-Pipe & Sig Series Rear. AP rods. TC Kline EDC Coil Overs. MRF Alum Sub Frame Bushings. TMS Delrin Diff'l Bushings. BFI Motor Mounts. Recaro PP. BMW Perf Steering Wheel. P3 Gauge. PS Overflow Kit. APEX ARC-8 18"x9.5"/10.5". Conti Slicks 275/35F 305/30R. Stoptech Pads/SS Lines. Cantrell Brake Ducts.
http://5252motorsports.blogspot.ca/2...3-sleeper.html
Appreciate 0
      09-07-2012, 07:17 PM   #3
EAS
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor
EAS's Avatar
216
Rep
5,695
Posts


 
Drives: VF620 M3
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Anaheim, CA

iTrader: (10)

This M3 is a beast, here are results from today:

SAE


STD


Conditions were 95F inside, it was HOT! Looking forward to see what she puts down next!
__________________
european auto source (eas)
email: info@europeanautosource.com web: www.europeanautosource.com
tel 866.669.0705 | ca: 714.369.8524 | fax: 714.908.1796


Blog | Facebook | YouTube | Flickr | Twitter
Appreciate 0
      09-07-2012, 07:28 PM   #4
Orange fever
Lieutenant Colonel
Orange fever's Avatar
Thailand
33
Rep
1,658
Posts

 
Drives: E46M,E90M,X5M,135I
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: in the hood!!!

iTrader: (5)

Fresh off the factory line......nice stock numbers
__________________

X5M E70 Black Sapphire Metallic,VF Engineering Hex Flash Software,Vorsteiner-FrontSpoiler/RearDiffuser
2012 135i/E82 N55 LeMans Blue ///M-SPORT
Appreciate 0
      09-07-2012, 07:35 PM   #5
flipm3
E46 + E90
Philippines
43
Rep
2,788
Posts

 
Drives: E46 M3 + E90 M3
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Illinois

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
2009 BMW M3  [0.00]
2002 BMW M3  [0.00]
Amazing results Longboarder and well done with the data measurement, EAS.

I recall EAS posting a dyno of an AW E90 M3 that put down 364whp and 267wtq STD. Which looks right in line with your results. I'm kind of bummed out, I thought Melbourne Red was the fastest color, but clearly it's Alpine White

Please do more runs with your exhaust setup too before the boost!
__________________
E90 M3 DCT|Melbourne Red . Speed Cloth | My Build Thread
E46 M3 6MT|Jet Black . Black Nappa Leather | My Build Thread
Appreciate 0
      09-07-2012, 07:53 PM   #6
rjd598
Brigadier General
rjd598's Avatar
United_States
55
Rep
4,644
Posts

 
Drives: 10' M3
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: San Diego,CA

iTrader: (2)

Garage List
2010 BMW M3  [4.50]
1999 BMW M3  [0.00]
anyone wanna explain to me the difference between STD and SAE. this car is a beast none the less!! i need to get on a dyno im curious to see what my car puts down
__________________
Appreciate 0
      09-07-2012, 08:18 PM   #7
Mike Benvo
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor
Mike Benvo's Avatar
United_States
98
Rep
4,804
Posts


 
Drives: Harrop SC M3 / E46 M3 / 7Turbo
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: SoCal

iTrader: (7)

Garage List
2008 BMW M3  [5.00]
1990 BMW 735i Turbo  [5.00]
2004 BMW M3  [0.00]
Send a message via Skype™ to Mike Benvo
Very nice numbers...

Are you positive it was on something later than 231E?

I'm not completely convinced unless you verified the revision it has. I have tuned a few 2013 cars and they all had 231E.

Now that you have a good baseline it's time for mods
__________________

-----| Like us on Facebook | Instagram || Tuning Information | Remote Coding |-----
----Visit us at www.BPMSport.com - Emotion. Driven. | Toll Free: (888) 557-5133----
Appreciate 0
      09-07-2012, 08:46 PM   #8
AlpineE92M3
Currently Driving
AlpineE92M3's Avatar
13
Rep
821
Posts

 
Drives: BPM tuned '13 AW ZCP E92 M3
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Rochester, NY

iTrader: (8)

Garage List
2013 BMW E92 M3  [0.00]
2011 BMW M3  [0.00]
Saw this on EAS youtube channel. Great run! Impressive stock numbers! If you ever want to sell the ZCP rims, I would to love to have them on my '11 AW E92. Let me know! Would love to see some more vids!
Appreciate 0
      09-07-2012, 09:00 PM   #9
Roman@ESS
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor
Roman@ESS's Avatar
108
Rep
2,663
Posts


 
Drives: ESS Supercharged E92 M3
Join Date: May 2007
Location: AZ

iTrader: (5)

Nice
Appreciate 0
      09-07-2012, 09:05 PM   #10
Longboarder
Brigadier General
65
Rep
3,794
Posts

 
Drives: 2013 e92 M3
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Monarch Beach

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
2013 WRX STi  [4.00]
2011 997.2 Turbo S  [4.71]
2013 e92 M3  [4.55]
2013 BMW X5  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by schnell325 View Post
Saw this on FB.

Thanks it was a good time. Was kinda cringing during the dyno runs as I don't think I've even taken it above 8,000 RPM myself. Anyway, its broken in now and I'm ready to beat the snot out of it

Quote:
Originally Posted by EAS View Post
This M3 is a beast, here are results from today:

Conditions were 95F inside, it was HOT! Looking forward to see what she puts down next!
Thanks guys for getting me in so quickly! I'll be back quite a few times in the next few weeks as the mods get installed.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Orange fever View Post
Fresh off the factory line......nice stock numbers
I was originally trying to dyno it the same day I picked up the car but that's probably a little crazy

Quote:
Originally Posted by flipm3 View Post
Amazing results Longboarder and well done with the data measurement, EAS.

I recall EAS posting a dyno of an AW E90 M3 that put down 364whp and 267wtq STD. Which looks right in line with your results. I'm kind of bummed out, I thought Melbourne Red was the fastest color, but clearly it's Alpine White

Please do more runs with your exhaust setup too before the boost!
Ahh see its Mineral White...the metallic flakes give it a couple more HP than the AW

Sorry but in order of mods, I'm gonna install the supercharger first, then the exhaust (catless MRF mid pipe and Akra slip), and then the meth...and then a bunch of little tweaks. I want to see the delta I can get with the mods on top of the blower. I'm cautiously optimistic that I can gain another 50 - 75 RWHP with the exhaust, meth, fine tuning. Thinking 510 wheel with just the blower and 580 when all is said and done.

Quote:
Originally Posted by rjd598 View Post
anyone wanna explain to me the difference between STD and SAE. this car is a beast none the less!! i need to get on a dyno im curious to see what my car puts down
Good question...no idea about the differences...but when I come back to dyno I will be comparing apples to apples...i.e. SAE stock to SAE with the blower.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Benvo View Post
Very nice numbers...

Are you positive it was on something later than 231E?

I'm not completely convinced unless you verified the revision it has. I have tuned a few 2013 cars and they all had 231E.

Now that you have a good baseline it's time for mods
I'm actually not positive and so if you saw 231E then maybe I'm wrong. I heard about the new software and was assuming perhaps that factor fine-tuning accounted for some of the power. As soon as we crack it open next week for the supercharger tune we will know for sure and I will let you know if it's 240E.
__________________
Daily: 2013 e92 M3 DCT / ESS VT2 650 S/C / Akrapovic Evolution / StopTech BBK
Track/Airstrip: 2011 997.2 Turbo S PDK / 725 HP / BBi suspension build
Beater: 2013 X5 3.5sport
YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCT1...eoFBszPIK0gf9w
Appreciate 0
      09-07-2012, 09:11 PM   #11
Carl L
Captain
Carl L's Avatar
9
Rep
877
Posts

 
Drives: '15 M3
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: West Coast

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Longboarder View Post
Thanks it was a good time. Was kinda cringing during the dyno runs as I don't think I've even taken it above 8,000 RPM myself. Anyway, its broken in now and I'm ready to beat the snot out of it



Thanks guys for getting me in so quickly! I'll be back quite a few times in the next few weeks as the mods get installed.



I was originally trying to dyno it the same day I picked up the car but that's probably a little crazy



Ahh see its Mineral White...the metallic flakes give it a couple more HP than the AW

Sorry but in order of mods, I'm gonna install the supercharger first, then the exhaust (catless MRF mid pipe and Akra slip), and then the meth...and then a bunch of little tweaks. I want to see the delta I can get with the mods on top of the blower. I'm cautiously optimistic that I can gain another 50 - 75 RWHP with the exhaust, meth, fine tuning. Thinking 510 wheel with just the blower and 580 when all is said and done.



Good question...no idea about the differences...but when I come back to dyno I will be comparing apples to apples...i.e. SAE stock to SAE with the blower.



I'm actually not positive and so if you saw 231E then maybe I'm wrong. I heard about the new software and was assuming perhaps that factor fine-tuning accounted for some of the power. As soon as we crack it open next week for the supercharger tune we will know for sure and I will let you know if it's 240E.
Holy crap! You're chucking a supercharger on a 2013? You are a mad bad man! Car looks great, great dyno results and respect on going FI

BTW, out of curiosity, did you consider a GTR or anything like that?
__________________
-prev M-cars: E60, E92, E46, E36
Appreciate 0
      09-07-2012, 10:31 PM   #12
tom @ eas
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor
tom @ eas's Avatar
United_States
326
Rep
10,621
Posts


 
Drives: BMW
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Anaheim, CA

iTrader: (13)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by Longboarder
I'm actually not positive and so if you saw 231E then maybe I'm wrong. I heard about the new software and was assuming perhaps that factor fine-tuning accounted for some of the power. As soon as we crack it open next week for the supercharger tune we will know for sure and I will let you know if it's 240E.
I verified your SW after your dyno session since you were one of the first MY13s through the doors. You are confirmed 240E.

Good chatting today, see you for round 2 soon.
__________________

Last edited by tom @ eas; 09-07-2012 at 11:23 PM.
Appreciate 0
      09-07-2012, 11:51 PM   #13
JulieDriving
Female driving enthusiast :P
JulieDriving's Avatar
30
Rep
2,308
Posts

 
Drives: Bimmer
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Ontario, Canada

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by Longboarder View Post
Went to EAS today to get a baseline dyno of my 2013 M3 today with only 300 miles on the ODO. Car is 100% stock. As some of you might know, the 2013's run the 240e software, which may have something to do with the results. EAS mentioned that the highest dyno number they saw on an M3 was 357...so the result was surprising to say the least. Here's a vid of one of the pulls...enjoy.

I'm a total dyno n00b but by the comments, sounds like your car's power is tops for a stock E92 M3.

What's the 240e software? I'm wondering if I have it. I guess I should google.

EDIT: Can't find anything searching 240e using the search function. Got any links handy?
__________________
2013 M3 coupe (Azurite Black, Black, Piano Black)
+ miata nut (2 miatas) + Mk6 GTI 5-door hatch (our mini-SUV )
Appreciate 0
      09-07-2012, 11:54 PM   #14
tom @ eas
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor
tom @ eas's Avatar
United_States
326
Rep
10,621
Posts


 
Drives: BMW
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Anaheim, CA

iTrader: (13)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by JulieDriving View Post
I'm a total dyno n00b but by the comments, sounds like your car's power is tops for a stock E92 M3.

What's the 240e software? I'm wondering if I have it. I guess I should google.
240E relates to the software version of the Engine ECU (DME). Newest confirmed software version on the M3 is 240E at the moment.

Longboarder is definitely one of the highest baseline M3s recorded on our dyno.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      09-07-2012, 11:59 PM   #15
JulieDriving
Female driving enthusiast :P
JulieDriving's Avatar
30
Rep
2,308
Posts

 
Drives: Bimmer
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Ontario, Canada

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by tom @ eas View Post
240E relates to the software version of the Engine ECU (DME). Newest confirmed software version on the M3 is 240E at the moment.

Longboarder is definitely one of the highest baseline M3s recorded on our dyno.
Thanks Tom.

Should the dealer be able to check what software version I have? If so, will have them do it when I go in for my 2000 km (or 1200 mile) break-in
__________________
2013 M3 coupe (Azurite Black, Black, Piano Black)
+ miata nut (2 miatas) + Mk6 GTI 5-door hatch (our mini-SUV )
Appreciate 0
      09-08-2012, 12:10 AM   #16
tom @ eas
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor
tom @ eas's Avatar
United_States
326
Rep
10,621
Posts


 
Drives: BMW
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Anaheim, CA

iTrader: (13)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by JulieDriving View Post
Thanks Tom.

Should the dealer be able to check what software version I have? If so, will have them do it when I go in for my 2000 km (or 1200 mile) break-in
Dealers use a different method of determining software levels, which points to a base level of the entire vehicle - they do not have the ability to update specific modules or determine a version of a individual module.

Dealer will not be much help in this department. However any autologic-equipped facility or any of the performance flash tools (ESS, HEX OR Evolve) will ID the software version of the DME for you.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      09-08-2012, 12:16 AM   #17
JulieDriving
Female driving enthusiast :P
JulieDriving's Avatar
30
Rep
2,308
Posts

 
Drives: Bimmer
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Ontario, Canada

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by tom @ eas View Post
Dealers use a different method of determining software levels, which points to a base level of the entire vehicle - they do not have the ability to update specific modules or determine a version of a individual module.

Dealer will not be much help in this department. However any autologic-equipped facility or any of the performance flash tools (ESS, HEX OR Evolve) will ID the software version of the DME for you.
Thanks.
__________________
2013 M3 coupe (Azurite Black, Black, Piano Black)
+ miata nut (2 miatas) + Mk6 GTI 5-door hatch (our mini-SUV )
Appreciate 0
      09-08-2012, 01:10 AM   #18
Beemw335
Colonel
29
Rep
2,016
Posts

 
Drives: 335i
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: My car is my home

iTrader: (2)

Thats the m competition exhaust right?
Appreciate 0
      09-08-2012, 03:26 AM   #19
rjd598
Brigadier General
rjd598's Avatar
United_States
55
Rep
4,644
Posts

 
Drives: 10' M3
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: San Diego,CA

iTrader: (2)

Garage List
2010 BMW M3  [4.50]
1999 BMW M3  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beemw335 View Post
Thats the m competition exhaust right?
No performance exhaust. It's stock exhaust from the factory
__________________
Appreciate 0
      09-08-2012, 06:46 AM   #20
IMG
M.POWER
IMG's Avatar
104
Rep
7,065
Posts

 
Drives: E36 M3 Track car,Ess E90 M3 DD
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Location

iTrader: (6)

Strong numbers !
__________________
NO FEAR.NO LIMITS.NO EQUAL

Ess VT3 LC built motor,Volk TE37SL,Euro taillights,Dinan Xpipe,Custom Headers,Akra axle back CF tips,ModeCarbon FR lip,BMW CF wing
LOW BOOST 60-130 6.7 sec
Appreciate 0
      09-08-2012, 06:48 AM   #21
GIdriver
Major
GIdriver's Avatar
United_States
17
Rep
1,342
Posts

 
Drives: 2014 E63 AMG-S
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Somewhere in Time

iTrader: (0)

Nice!!
__________________
2014 E63 AMG-S
2012 C63 AMG (P31) - gone
2011 E90 M3 FBO - gone
Appreciate 0
      09-08-2012, 07:31 AM   #22
pbonsalb
Lieutenant Colonel
21
Rep
1,790
Posts

 
Drives: 08 E90 M3, 99 E36 M3 Turbo
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Concord, NH

iTrader: (3)

355 rwhp SAE is about as good as any M3 has done on a dynojet. It does look like BMW has been fine tuning the software for more consistent and better performance.

SAE is very roughly about 2-3% less than STD. They are methods of standardizing uncorrected, real world, actual that day results to a comparable power level by adding or reducing power to what it would be under certain air density (temperature, humidity, etc) conditions. On a cold day, a car will actually make more power -- what you feel in winter is real. And on a hot day, the car will actually make less power -- and you feel that also. Rated engine power is just output under standardized conditions.
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:14 PM.




m3post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST