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      08-22-2012, 05:04 PM   #23
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This I found interesting....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=...ture=endscreen

M3 SC against a bunch of GTRs, and 997TTs all modded.

Suffice to say, the M3 SC is just as fast... with all the creature comforts and room we have come to love from a 3 series.

Resale, or scrap value (in the case of an accident) would be the issue on modding ANY car. I am getting next to nothing for the mods I have done to the 335, in fact it is harder to sell because everyone things you drove the nuts off it, and you typically do - which is why you did it.

Anyway, lots to think about when you are putting this kind of cash out.

I think back to why I did the 335 upgrades and it was for M3 or better performance, for less than the M3 price. It certainly did that in a straight line.

If I am modding a M3 to a GTR or 997TT performance level - what do you lose?

1) Resale - as I mentioned.
2) what about insurance? You have to tell your insurance company of the mods - right? What hit do you have on that?
3) Any other ones?

GTR - 0 to 60 is just unmatched though with the 4 wheel drive. Pulling out of corners with WOT, I bet this is unmatched too. Pulling out in front of traffic would be something else in the GTR, blink, your speeding.

I would think it would come down to
1) M3 - SC
2) GTR - slight mods (I need to check out the space inside that car).

Loving the discussion everyone - thanks for the replies.
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LostMarine is doing a chronological write up on the other board about his 535 kit. He's somewhere in the 118 to 119 trap range at Atco at this point with meth injection. Without meth I think he was down a few mph. It's hot so I think he could get a few more mph with lower temps. 125mph trap is really fast...and I'm guessing you'd need a lot of supporting mods to do that with the 535 kit.
Yeah 125mph is fast but should be expected with 550+hp and a twin clutch transmission, just look at the 2012 GT-R, it trap more then that with 80kg more and AWD to slow it down. 118-119mph is really what I'm aiming for with my manual M3, I already trap 111mph and i'm stock so 110whp more should make the difference, I'll post some result as soon as I got some, I'll probably go to the 1/4 mile track as soon as the brake-in period of the supercharger is done!
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      08-22-2012, 11:23 PM   #25
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This I found interesting....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=...ture=endscreen

M3 SC against a bunch of GTRs, and 997TTs all modded.

Suffice to say, the M3 SC is just as fast... with all the creature comforts and room we have come to love from a 3 series.

Resale, or scrap value (in the case of an accident) would be the issue on modding ANY car. I am getting next to nothing for the mods I have done to the 335, in fact it is harder to sell because everyone things you drove the nuts off it, and you typically do - which is why you did it.

Anyway, lots to think about when you are putting this kind of cash out.

I think back to why I did the 335 upgrades and it was for M3 or better performance, for less than the M3 price. It certainly did that in a straight line.

If I am modding a M3 to a GTR or 997TT performance level - what do you lose?

1) Resale - as I mentioned.
2) what about insurance? You have to tell your insurance company of the mods - right? What hit do you have on that?
3) Any other ones?

GTR - 0 to 60 is just unmatched though with the 4 wheel drive. Pulling out of corners with WOT, I bet this is unmatched too. Pulling out in front of traffic would be something else in the GTR, blink, your speeding.

I would think it would come down to
1) M3 - SC
2) GTR - slight mods (I need to check out the space inside that car).

Loving the discussion everyone - thanks for the replies.
In the end, the GT-R and the M3 are so different you should just go with the package you prefer while knowing that the M3 could be modded to be as fast as the GT-R for not a lot of money, also you should remember that it's not always the fastest car that is the most fun to drive, specially in the streets! For me, manuel tranny and RWD are 2 key elements that make me like my M3 that much, also IMO drifting is probably the most fun you can have with a car and that I do everyday and finally earing that V8 is just addictive, the only thing I founded missing with my car is a bit of power and for that ESS has the perfect solution!
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      08-22-2012, 11:29 PM   #26
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Unless the $31k is pocket change for you, I would highly suggest not putting 30k in mods on a 60k car if you hope to recover any of that value.
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      08-23-2012, 12:39 AM   #27
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my gtr with a 2500 dollar exhaust sounds pretty damn nice. I get many many compliments from people about the sound all the time

Which exhaust is that? I am waiting for delivery of my GT-R this week and would love to have the same sound.
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      08-23-2012, 06:49 AM   #28
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Also consider going for a ride in an SC M3. The power is still all the way at the top of the rev range. So it doesn't exactly solve lower end torque.

You may trap similar speeds to a GTR but that GTR is going to give you much more of a throw you back in your seat feel.

Don't always go for fastest. My brothers 1m is a blast to drive. Arguably more fun than the M3 but I know I'm quicker. My car has higher quality interior. It definitely feels less race car and more GT than the 1m but in life there are always trade offs.

In reality I didn't think a supercharger would make the M3 more fun. Faster yes, but once you get used to the straight line speed it's the same hamburger.

Which is why I personally made the same decision. I'm waiting for the F80 M3. Enjoying this high revving NA motor for another few years. (I've already had 4 years of ownership)

Good luck in your decision. I also really wanted a GTR but I stopped pursuing one because I like buying cars new and a new GTR is 98 which I feel is way over the top. The F80 M3 should come in under 80 or at about 80.
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A supercharged M3 is fast, but it does not feel anywhere as fast as it is. There is still a huge lack of torque, and the power is only after 4.5-5krpm. Also, a big part of it is reliability/longetivity - buying a z06/gtr will give you that power without any worry/potential headache, throwing 8lbs of boost into a 12:1 compression high strung motor that wasnt designed for it WILL have its effects over time (whether its months or years). With a 2012 GTR you can throw an intake, tune, and exhaust and run quicker 1/4 mile times with equal trap speeds than a blown M3 (let alone a Z06 where all you need is a tune/intake). Big difference having to throw an intake/tune/exhaust on a car and throwing a forced induction system on it. Just something to think about!
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      08-23-2012, 08:49 AM   #30
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Which exhaust is that? I am waiting for delivery of my GT-R this week and would love to have the same sound.
ultimate racing 4 inch exhaust with an HKS resonated midpipe

the exhaust is available from topspeed
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      08-23-2012, 09:13 AM   #31
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Also consider going for a ride in an SC M3. The power is still all the way at the top of the rev range. So it doesn't exactly solve lower end torque.

You may trap similar speeds to a GTR but that GTR is going to give you much more of a throw you back in your seat feel.
Don't always go for fastest. My brothers 1m is a blast to drive. Arguably more fun than the M3 but I know I'm quicker. My car has higher quality interior. It definitely feels less race car and more GT than the 1m but in life there are always trade offs.

In reality I didn't think a supercharger would make the M3 more fun. Faster yes, but once you get used to the straight line speed it's the same hamburger.

Which is why I personally made the same decision. I'm waiting for the F80 M3. Enjoying this high revving NA motor for another few years. (I've already had 4 years of ownership)

Good luck in your decision. I also really wanted a GTR but I stopped pursuing one because I like buying cars new and a new GTR is 98 which I feel is way over the top. The F80 M3 should come in under 80 or at about 80.
The problem you are refering to is really simple to solve and it does'nt cost anything, the solution: downshift!

As for the throw you back in your seat feel, I got a lot of that by hammering it from 6000rpm, no better feeling then that with the sound and everything, it's just a amazing experience! Yes turbo cars with torque give you a feeling of power at low RPM but the S65 is just an intoxicating engine when you rev it up to the redline and that's what lacking in turbo cars! Both cars give you feels that the other can't, just a matter of preference I think. I know that nothing could replace the sound of my V8 when I'm doing city cruising!

Edit: if the supercharger did'nt make your car more fun, maybe a manual transmission would!
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^^ Great insight from an SC M3 owner.
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      08-23-2012, 09:19 AM   #33
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ultimate racing 4 inch exhaust with an HKS resonated midpipe

the exhaust is available from topspeed

Or get a Password JDM exhaust and piss of all the neighbors!
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      08-23-2012, 09:39 AM   #34
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A supercharged M3 is fast, but it does not feel anywhere as fast as it is. There is still a huge lack of torque, and the power is only after 4.5-5krpm. Also, a big part of it is reliability/longetivity - buying a z06/gtr will give you that power without any worry/potential headache, throwing 8lbs of boost into a 12:1 compression high strung motor that wasnt designed for it WILL have its effects over time (whether its months or years). With a 2012 GTR you can throw an intake, tune, and exhaust and run quicker 1/4 mile times with equal trap speeds than a blown M3 (let alone a Z06 where all you need is a tune/intake). Big difference having to throw an intake/tune/exhaust on a car and throwing a forced induction system on it. Just something to think about!
I can agree with you on that, if you want any car with around 700hp, maybe a 414hp M3 ain't the good platform to start with but if you really want an M3, not any car, and you just think that it's missing a bit of power, i think putting a low boost supercharger kit(ESS VT1 4.5psi) with a catless set-up seem like a perfect solution! Time will tell but so far people like you are running a lot more boost then that with no problem so I'm confident! Also people should know what there getting into, I'm confortable with the low end torque of my M3, I don't buy the VT1 to try to settle that, I just want more HP for more highway fun.
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^Yep, I have a vt2-625 catless and I love the M3 as a great all around car which is why I cannot find another car on the market that fits my needs like it does (it just needed more balls so I had to throw some boost in it)...I dont about the low end torque either, nothing beats hearing the car scream at 8300rpm and revving the piss out of it.
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Unabomber, are you running downpipes as well? I am thinking of the 4 inch exhaust from GTC for my GT-R. Already have the HKS Resonated Midpipe.
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Unabomber, are you running downpipes as well? I am thinking of the 4 inch exhaust from GTC for my GT-R. Already have the HKS Resonated Midpipe.
standard AMS downpipes.
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Corvette is a piece of crap, I wouldn't touch it with a 10ft pole. How long do you plan on keeping it? Look how the styling has aged and the depreciation hit on Porsches, bmws, and Nissans. What brand is worth $90k?
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As someone said earlier in the thread, why not a c63 AMG? Tune+headers=550ish hp
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The new C63 black series is looking better and better to me.
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I'm predicting that if the new F80 turbo M3 comes with 450hp or so then it will be able to hit 500-550 with just full bolt on's and a tune. If you pickup the VF620 kit then you should be able to still eat the F80 M3 for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
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Yeah 125mph is fast but should be expected with 550+hp and a twin clutch transmission, just look at the 2012 GT-R, it trap more then that with 80kg more and AWD to slow it down. 118-119mph is really what I'm aiming for with my manual M3, I already trap 111mph and i'm stock so 110whp more should make the difference, I'll post some result as soon as I got some, I'll probably go to the 1/4 mile track as soon as the brake-in period of the supercharger is done!
No, you will not get 125 traps with just a VT1. LostMarine is trapping at 118/119 and he's on meth. My guess is that at VT1 on an otherwise stock M3 will trap 116 to 117mph...a 5-6mph pickup from stock. If you run meth and get the benefits of IAT reduction like LM is doing which will get you perhaps 120. For 125, you would need to upgrade to a VT2 kit OR do substantial upgrades including exhaust, smaller pulley, meth etc.

Don't think you are going to be anywhere near as fast as M&M.

It's just like the 335 guys thinking their cars can trap at 127mph with just a tune, intake, dps, and meth. Hotrod182 did it but his car was an anomoly.
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^You have the ability to trap ~125 with a catless VT1 in ideal DA and temperature....scott (1sickm) with his vt1 catless trapped that at atco this past year. Realistically, though, in hot shitty weather it will be more around 120.

In regards to LM, he is not running his meth the right way (basic boost-on switch and is getting full flow at 2psi which is way too much down low). I spoke with him the other day and now hes getting a progressive kit and probably going with 25% at 2.5psi and 100% at 7psi....that will relieve the quenching hes experiencing (its obvious he wasn't benefitting from the meth when his dynos showed no increase in power whatsoever, while others that I've seen have picked up 20-30whp by just turning the meth on) and he will see a big difference...I have no doubt he will break 120 when he hooks the progressive controller up and dials in his settings
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No, you will not get 125 traps with just a VT1. LostMarine is trapping at 118/119 and he's on meth. My guess is that at VT1 on an otherwise stock M3 will trap 116 to 117mph...a 5-6mph pickup from stock. If you run meth and get the benefits of IAT reduction like LM is doing which will get you perhaps 120. For 125, you would need to upgrade to a VT2 kit OR do substantial upgrades including exhaust, smaller pulley, meth etc.

Don't think you are going to be anywhere near as fast as M&M.

It's just like the 335 guys thinking their cars can trap at 127mph with just a tune, intake, dps, and meth. Hotrod182 did it but his car was an anomoly.
I'm not aiming for 125 but if i had DCT and catless X-pipe that would be my goal, I'm pretty sure I've seen someone in the mid 11s and 125mph trap with those mods. As for me, I'll know soon enough what I'll trap since I'm doing the VT1 install as I'm speeking to you!
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