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      08-28-2012, 11:58 PM   #133
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It's a totally different car with totally different parts. You'd spend a small fortune getting a 335 up to par with an m3 in all regards, at which point you may as well swallow your pride and drive a batshit crazy modded out miata or something.

Most importantly an M3 is something special and a 335 blends in amongst the rest of the ubiquitous 3 series cars.
this is wrong on so many levels.

have you ever thought some of us could afford an m3, but preferred the better gas mileage, cheaper insurance, more tuning capabilities, fact that it blended in with most cars (its called a sleeper)
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      08-29-2012, 12:03 AM   #134
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lol.. comparing srt4 to 335? BMWs are luxury cars you can't compare the two.

and by the way I had a choice, if you drove my car even without the extra 25k in your pocket, you'd understand

that being said I love the m3 for what it is
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      08-29-2012, 02:01 AM   #135
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i drive 335i but come on... m3 is in another league. straight line speed can come pretty cheap - handling and balance on track does not. period. and m3 has abundunce of it.

m3 is one of few cars that were called the 'best car ever made'. it is superb blend of speed/agility/handling/and FEEL.

only other car that I slow down for is the corvette (ls3, 08+ models). dont mess with those. if zo6 or zr1 comes by? HIDE. (sorry for totally unrelated topic but i had to put it out there!)
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      08-29-2012, 07:03 AM   #136
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How do you like having no breaks? 335 is a great car but there is a reason the M3 is in a different league, you can make any car fast especially FI, how do you feel when STI, Evo, Srt-4, civic turbo etc, etc man handle your 335 while paying less money to start. I know you are all proud of the 335 as you should be but if you had a choice to buy either an M3 or a 335 I'm sure you all would pick the M3; please don't lie to yourself. I had a choice and choose the M3.
relax. it was a joke. obviously I'd take an m3. And you forgot to mention its better looking than the 335i. I just cant afford to drive a car everyday that gets 14mpg. Not to mention I'm 17 so an m3 is a little much for me.
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This is so 2008.

335 > M3 duh

Generally people who say that are idiots. So why would you let an idiot piss you off. You must rant a lot then
i will say it again. i had a 335 that was great right up until the fuel pump went again and again and again and i never drove the car again and moved into an M3 which is the best car i ever drove in my life
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      08-29-2012, 08:09 AM   #138
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This is so 2008.

335 > M3 duh

Generally people who say that are idiots. So why would you let an idiot piss you off. You must rant a lot then
also, anytime a member sells their 328/335i they upgrade to m3. I have never heard anyone saying i upgraded my m3 to 328/335i.

The 335i serves different purpose than the M3. Honestly, BMW M division would not be here if the lower models were better in terms of performance.

btw, it's also called self-rationalization. When i was growing up a friend told me she hated bmw(s). However, as soon as she got the first opportunity to buy a bmw, she did and acted like she was bmw's fan-gal from day 1. go figure....
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      08-29-2012, 01:14 PM   #139
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yo how do you M3 guys like having no torque.


How do you like having no breaks? 335 is a great car but there is a reason the M3 is in a different league, you can make any car fast especially FI, how do you feel when STI, Evo, Srt-4, civic turbo etc, etc man handle your 335 while paying less money to start. I know you are all proud of the 335 as you should be but if you had a choice to buy either an M3 or a 335 I'm sure you all would pick the M3; please don't lie to yourself. I had a choice and choose the M3.
my "breaks" are doing just fine, 335i BRAKES do very well, just may not look as nice.

And no, not everyone would pick the m3. 335i offers x-drive and at a much lower price point. Beside the fact that m3 is a better TRACK car, i feel the 335i is a better STREET car. For the price you pay of course you expect things to get better. MPG, Torque, lower price point, and less expensive maintenance excluded. Which one is better to say you have? yeah m3. There alot of 335i owners who of course do want an m3, but are MORE then satisfied with their 335. Not saying 335i is better what so ever, but 335 is a great car for the money.
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I must be the only forum member to go from a 2009 and 2011 e92 M3 to a 335i Coupe lol. Had to make room in the garage and the only reason I switched was for the gas mileage and daily driving. 335i is just my commuter car and I always tell people, "oh its just the beater" (sarcastically of course).

Wasnt without the M3 long that I needed another car so I also picked up a 2010 GT3 and 2010 GT-R in the process to replace the m3.

I think the 335 is a nice sleeper. The M3 is obviously BMW's pride and joy of the M division. If you can afford the step up go for one. However after owning 2 M3's, and it came time to get rid of one, I wasnt sure about a 3rd one.
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      08-29-2012, 01:34 PM   #141
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I think this thread is funny.
I own a 335 and have owned multiple M cars.
You can get a 335, at least now with DCT. No limited slip unless you put it in yourself.
The suspension on a 335 can be upgraded to get you the same performance as an M3 and it doesn't cost a fortune. As a matter of course, the M cars I owned all got aftermarket suspension because BMW doesn't do great factory suspension, the do good suspensions that work for most people.

Coilovers and urethane upgrades can keep a 335i planted just as firmly as a stock M3.

The M3 engine is a great engine but lacks torque and is just plain bad in the way of fuel management. Same with the V10 M5. There is a reason they got hit with a gas guzzler tax. Nothing quite sounds like the engines at WOT, but then nothing quite drinks gas like them either, except maybe Lambo and F cars.

Don't get me wrong, I love the V8 and V10.
But also don't think that everyone with a 335 didn't get an M because they couldn't afford it. That is a bad assumption. I passed on the M this time because it just wasn't twice the car for almost twice the money ( I bought my 335i used).

I've been the route with the "Only Real M3", the E30. (Flame suit on). It was hand built and the engine rebuild done right costs as much as replacing the whole car because very few people knew how to rebuild the engine correctly and they charged for that knowledge.

The M3 is a great car with a great sounding engine and a great look, but lets all not be fooled into thinking that a properly tuned 335i won't clean the clock of a stock M3 if you get caught sleeping.
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      08-29-2012, 04:48 PM   #142
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I don't know what any of you guys are talking about...

328i > M3/335i any day of the week....

Just kidding guys. Don't attack me now

At the end of the day, I think it's just a matter of who bought the car they liked and/or wanted rather than have to have "settled" for something else.(in most cases, 335i owners wanted an M3). Not all though. Although I don't see how getting a 335i is "settling". The 335i is an amazing car with an even better engine. But to each his own.

I'll stop and look at any 3 series that nicely modded. Wether a 328i, 335i, or M3. They're all nice cars. One faster than the other, etc... But of course the M3's road presence in undeniable
Some people just gotta get off their high horse sometimes with the "I own an M3 therefore I am superior" attitude.
There's always gonna be someone out there with a car faster and more expensive than yours. You just gotta love what you drive and be happy with it.
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Some people just gotta get off their high horse sometimes with the "I own an M3 therefore I am superior" attitude
But we are..
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      08-29-2012, 06:21 PM   #144
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The 335i is an amazing car with an even better engine.
Say what?
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      08-29-2012, 08:24 PM   #145
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Say what?
That came out differently then how I meant it. Lol.
I meant to say the 335i is a great car in general.
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Im more of a lurker then a poster on forums unless its to give props to some well done cars. However some post from SOME 335I owners bugs the $hit outta me. Like this one

Im not calling this one member out, it's just an example and theres plenty others with this attutide.

I just want to get this out there.

So what if your MODDED 335I might be faster in a straight line? You think if we can afford our M3s that we couldn't get a 335I or something even faster in a straight if we wanted to? Maybe we wanted our M3s cause it has one of the BEST N/A V8s out there, laps tracks faster, handles better, brakes better, steers better, looks better, SOUNDS 10x better and has a superior transmission DCT & 6MT then your 335I. So thanks for keeping us informed that you car might be faster then ours.

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the 335i guys probably say the same thing about cocky ass M3 owners too. dont let what peoples personal opinions get to you.
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Your statement makes me understand why Jeremy Clarkson says that M3 drivers have no friends...
I have a very good friend on here who has a nicely modded M3 (Klammer). A really nice, and classy guy. They're certainly not all pricks.
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You mean kinda like this...?

An American, calling a German guy who races at the nurburging a soft drag racer!
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Come on.. there is NO arguing about it. The S65 is a far superior engine and that is not debatable. Can the 335's engine be modded for more power than a stock S65? Sure. An S65 can be modded too. However, the power that can be created through modding has little to do with the quality of the engine. Debate which car is the better performance "value" all you want but let's not start silly debates on which engine is better.
S65 isn't bad, I believe the N54 has won more awards, and recognition for engineering. S65 didn't really distinguish itself among 8cyls, like the N54 did in the 6cyl category. But what do a bunch of professional engineers know anyways?
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I must be the only forum member to go from a 2009 and 2011 e92 M3 to a 335i Coupe lol. Had to make room in the garage and the only reason I switched was for the gas mileage and daily driving. 335i is just my commuter car and I always tell people, "oh its just the beater" (sarcastically of course).

Wasnt without the M3 long that I needed another car so I also picked up a 2010 GT3 and 2010 GT-R in the process to replace the m3.

I think the 335 is a nice sleeper. The M3 is obviously BMW's pride and joy of the M division. If you can afford the step up go for one. However after owning 2 M3's, and it came time to get rid of one, I wasnt sure about a 3rd one.
Interesting observation. The internet is a really bad way to come to statistically based conclusions, but form reading both forums, it would seem that 335I owners are much happier with their purchase in the long term. We have so many folks with high mileage, like myself. The M3 seems to have a high turn around, as most people seem to jump out of it, into a GTR, or Z06, after owning it for a really short time.
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S65 isn't bad, I believe the N54 has won more awards, and recognition for engineering. S65 didn't really distinguish itself among 8cyls, like the N54 did in the 6cyl category. But what do a bunch of professional engineers know anyways?
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S65 isn't bad, I believe the N54 has won more awards, and recognition for engineering. S65 didn't really distinguish itself among 8cyls, like the N54 did in the 6cyl category. But what do a bunch of professional engineers know anyways?

Yeah the N54 is known for going into limp mode on a race track and the poweband isn't nearly as good as the S65 for track racing. If you couldn't afford an M3 that's cool but pretending the N54 is better is silly.

Also the 335 comes with an open diff, crap suspension, shit brakes and non performance wheels/tire... Yes you could replace those items, but why? In hopes to compete on some level with an M3? Should have got an M3.

As for the S65 not being a distinguished engine?


I like to race, i'll take a flat torque curve and 8,300rpm... Ever driven an M3, Porsche GT3, C6 z06? High output NA engines are fantastic. If I wanted to race a turbocharged car i'd get an Evo, not a 335i.
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Yeah the N54 is known for going into limp mode on a race track and the poweband isn't nearly as good as the S65 for track racing. If you couldn't afford an M3 that's cool but pretending the N54 is better is silly.

Also the 335 comes with an open diff, crap suspension, shit brakes and non performance wheels/tire... Yes you could replace those items, but why? In hopes to compete on some level with an M3? Should have got an M3.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but a fully modded 335i is in fact superior to a STOCK M3 (by a margin...) and not only in the straight line

Yes, you'll have a hard time to admit it, but there are a number of flaws even on the M3. At the track, every serious M3 owner has at least upgraded the suspension and the brakes (those are really a shame for a sports car, but this has been a problem for many M3 generations).

Obviously, modding is expensive, especially given the BMW tax some tuners charge.
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but a fully modded 335i is in fact superior to a STOCK M3 (by a margin...)


Did you bother to read my post? You'd have to replace nearly everything on your 335i to compete with a stock M3. Congrats on wasting your money and thanks for proving my point.

Not sure who told you M3 brakes need to be replaced in order to race. Pads sure if your doing 6+ 20 minute sessions on a track day, but the disc too? No, it's fairly large and dissipates heat rather decently. The suspension is damn good too. I have 70k miles on my stock brakes and 4 long and hard track days on them. So let me tell you, from someone who owns an M3 and races it. No, the brakes and suspension are not bad and in fact very good.

If you want to play the "I'VE GOT MODS!" game. I can put a supercharger on my M3 for less than you can make your 335i compete with a stock M3. Sorry but the tiny snails and craptastic fuel pump that come on the N54 are not going to push 500+ hp to the wheels. You better sit down for this one.... A fully modded M3 is better than a fully modded 335i. Holy shit your mind is now blown. Sorry to burst your bubble. I can put a supercharger on my M3 and not have to worry or replace half the crap you would to get 500+ rwhp. I also would never trust an N54 with that much power.

With the logic you're using the 6g72 in my 3000gt is better than the S65... because you know, it's modded and stuff. You see comparing a modded car to a stock car sounds really intelligent and makes me feel like I didn't buy a lesser car. Or something like that. Right?

In the end it's nice to have a car I can drive to the track and not have to replace anything on. Maybe one day you'll have a car like that too.
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