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      08-24-2012, 01:45 PM   #45
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I don’t have a BMW.I drive a 2008 C-300. At the end of the day the M is a class all in itself. This 335 can’t be compared at all I’m sorry at the end of the day you have a 3 series. The //M is work of art from inside out. Every detail has its meaning and why it’s there. The 335i can me a big monster on the track and road but let’s look at the history of the M. Great cars
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It makes them feel better about themselves so never bothers me. They also have to put significant mods in which would make me really weary of losing a warranty. Only a FBO 335i plus a tune really takes out an m3. I for sure am one not want to crank boost and push the car that hard as if anything happens I would be SOL.

Even besides that however, the 335i is fast and handles great but it lacks the special feeling and experience of the m3. If on the other hand you don't "feel" special driving the m3 in terms of enjoying the v8, enjoying 8400, enjoying the soundtrack, enjoying the DCT and enjoying the nice seats, the DIRAC sound unavailble in the 335 and the handling---not to mention the looks, than yes, a 335 is just as good.

I prefer to have a car that is factory fast.

Bottom line is when offered an m3 over a 335, 99 percent of them would choose the m3 so that is really the bottom line

Agree. When someone says My X is "as good as" or "better than" Y, what they are really saying is; I wanted Y but couldn't afford it.
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Umm...why does the myth get perpetuated that American cars still cannot handle well? The CTS-V is no slouch in the handling department and neither is the Mustang. Every few months tho, someone makes a comment that they are only good in straight lines...

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/200...-ring-car-news
Touche..its a stigma that American cars have not been able to shake since the muscle car era..when comparable European "sport" cars were lightweight...w/ lightweight engines.
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You actually made a thread about this?? What are you 12?? lol

I'm glad you are getting support over here.
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BTW the CTS V is only 9 sec slower in an 8 minute a lap circuit (Nurburgring) than the almighty track prepared light M3 GTS (which is not available in the US) and is a few secs quicker than the regular M3s you would own. So all the ignorants around here saying how your car is faster on the track, think again. The Americans are catching up and catching up fast. Not to mention stock for stock it would absolutely murder the m3 in a straight line.
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BTW the CTS V is only 9 sec slower in an 8 minute a lap circuit (Nurburgring) than the almighty track prepared light M3 GTS (which is not available in the US) and is a few secs quicker than the regular M3s you would own. So all the ignorants around here saying how your car is faster on the track, think again. The Americans are catching up and catching up fast. Not to mention stock for stock it would absolutely murder the m3 in a straight line.
Do I sense some Jelly? Are you not the M3 rapist?
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Do I sense some Jelly? Are you not the M3 rapist?
you serious?

the guy was stating facts and numbers on track, can't see the " jelly " part you mentioned in any line he typed above.
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you serious?

the guy was stating facts and numbers on track, can't see the " jelly " part you mentioned in any line he typed above.

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You were only keeping with the spirit of the thread.
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You were only keeping with the spirit of the thread.
Thanks Tibra...

BTW, I didn't know that Elie335 is one of the 335i owners who mods their car to look like an M3. My bad... http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=613650

But, whatever floats your boat...

And for the record, I also own an N54 135i vert.
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      08-24-2012, 09:16 PM   #55
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There you go! Well said. ^^
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Coming from an 09 335, I can personally vouch for it being a great daily driver. But as mentioned above, there is no comparison between the two. Completely different experiences. All this crap about it being faster off the line is nonsense. You can make an 1989 honda crx faster then a 458 off the line if you do enough to it.
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Im more of a lurker then a poster on forums unless its to give props to some well done cars. However some post from SOME 335I owners bugs the $hit outta me. Like this one
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You're kidding right? Without a blower none of the M3s will touch the CTSV stock let alone modded and I don't care how many bolts on you have. I rape non supercharged M3s all day and i drive a 3 series 335. Lol
Im not calling this one member out, it's just an example and theres plenty others with this attutide.

I just want to get this out there.

So what if your MODDED 335I might be faster in a straight line? You think if we can afford our M3s that we couldn't get a 335I or something even faster in a straight if we wanted to? Maybe we wanted our M3s cause it has one of the BEST N/A V8s out there, laps tracks faster, handles better, brakes better, steers better, looks better, SOUNDS 10x better and has a superior transmission DCT & 6MT then your 335I. So thanks for keeping us informed that you car might be faster then ours.

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When I drive by 335's they look at me like this
Last night I had a guy in a 458 Ferrari giving me the thumbs up and he rolled down his window with his hot chick on the passenger side and told me me my car looked amazing. Doubt I'd get that kind of prop in a 335 that looks exactly like a 328 on the road lol.

You Drive an M3 you know EXACTLY what you have. Its not like any other BMW. Period. These Trolls won't phase me. Never will.
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Im more of a lurker then a poster on forums unless its to give props to some well done cars. However some post from SOME 335I owners bugs the $hit outta me. Like this one

Im not calling this one member out, it's just an example and theres plenty others with this attutide.

I just want to get this out there.

So what if your MODDED 335I might be faster in a straight line? You think if we can afford our M3s that we couldn't get a 335I or something even faster in a straight if we wanted to? Maybe we wanted our M3s cause it has one of the BEST N/A V8s out there, laps tracks faster, handles better, brakes better, steers better, looks better, SOUNDS 10x better and has a superior transmission DCT & 6MT then your 335I. So thanks for keeping us informed that you car might be faster then ours.

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The 335 is the new honda civic SI. Seriously.

I can't wait to get rid of mine, it's unreliable and handles like garbage.

I felt safer pushing 120+ in my e46vert with the top down then 100 in my moms e90. And hell, that was the e46 chassis. I haven't even had the opportunity to do those speeds in the e9XM.

Anyone who denies the 335 drives better than an M3 is in flat out denial. (Waits for the 335 counter......to handling....)
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Keep in mind the audience we are arguing with. As a 335i owner, the vast majority could not get into an m3 and thus their minds are closed off to hearing anything otherwise. So no matter how many solid reasons why the m3 is a better experience, they will either ignore it or twist it around, even if subconciously so its really a lost cause.
Well, I guess I must be in the minority, cuz, I just didn't even consider the E90 M3 when I was looking for a vehicle and bought my 335I. First of all they are not even in the same category, so I don't really even understand why a consumer would be struggling with the choice, or even cross shopping both cars in the first place. More than just price separates these two cars. They are targeting two completely different market segments.

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I will say it again thought, it is the EXPERIENCE of the m3 that walks all over the 335 and 99 percent of us buy a car for the day-to-day pleasure factor. That is why I think its a joke when people say a 335 is a better DD. I like to enjoy a car at all times and the experience of the seats hugging you in a really nice leather, staring at 9k tachometer, listening to a high revving v8 engine knowing it is one of a kind and was not available in any other car-engineered with purpose for the m3, race-car like handling and feel and the looks of the car to go with it.

After all of that is enjoyed, if someone can beat me from a redlight I really would not blink. Punching it for a thrust forward is pretty boring after awhile. While the m3 "experience" brings joy day to day and you just feel you are in a unique machine, probably the most special m3 to date in terms of its powerplant and transmission.

Also knowing it is one of the only high revving low displacement V8's on the road adds to the special factor.

Now does any of what I said include 0-60 or 30-100 stats. Not at all.

Add high flow cats to the m3 and it is lights out. I would take a cut in HP to have the sound of an m3 if I had to-414 hp at 8300 rpms is more than enough thrust to keep things enjoyable.

Also consider what makes something enjoyable. It is an aural experience which takes sense of sound, feel and perception into account which is processed in our brain as pleasure. So while thrust down low of a 335 gives a good sensation and percieved pleasure, the m3 gives stimulation to multiple senses including the high screech exhaust and intake note, strong thrust and perception of feeling you are in a special car-brain interprets that as all pleasure and this vastly outweighs the simple pleasure of low end torque which is why at the end of the day all 335 owners want an m3
For a guy who is supposedly satisfied by his M3, you spent an awfully long time writing all this stuff to reassure yourself of the validity of your purchase. Kindda sad really.
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Im not the one reading an m3 board. For someone who "never considered it" why would you be sitting here reading an m3 board? Bizarre.
This is an M3 board? you certainly can't tell from the amount of threads about other cars. Just look around. Every section has been turned into M3 vs. You sure, you're all happy with your purchases?

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I know I have the car I wanted. You got the car you had to settle for. M3 is is terrible, but yet I am sure I will see you continue to read the m3 board
At 97,000miles, I couldn't be happier. My car puts a smile on my face on the streets, or on the track. This has been the most fun, and most upgradable car I've owned. I can make a bold prediction, and that is: you won't hold on to your car past 50K miles.
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Im not the one reading an m3 board. For someone who "never considered it" why would you be sitting here reading an m3 board? Bizarre.
At least I stick to one forum other than mine. Your last couple posts:

1M forums:
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...0#post12562740

7 Series forums:
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...9#post12562569

3 Series forums:
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...1#post12510891

......The list goes on. Trollin' ain't easy.
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The 335 is the new honda civic SI. Seriously.

I can't wait to get rid of mine, it's unreliable and handles like garbage.

I felt safer pushing 120+ in my e46vert with the top down then 100 in my moms e90. And hell, that was the e46 chassis. I haven't even had the opportunity to do those speeds in the e9XM.

Anyone who denies the 335 drives better than an M3 is in flat out denial. (Waits for the 335 counter......to handling....)

Civic? What did you do, remove your turbos? The n54 in the 07-10 335's is the new SUPRA. Go check out the n54 section...Shiv is now getting 425 wheel with a completely stock car motor with just the new Procede flash plus Procede piggy and e85 gas (which by the way is cheaper than 87 oct unleaded). So a tune-only n54 is going to run right with the Stage 1 supercharged M3s. Yes the 335 needs upgrades, particularly in the suspension dept...but with the above-mentioned tune, an LSD, coils and tires can do wonders for a 335.
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Civic? What did you do, remove your turbos? The n54 in the 07-10 335's is the new SUPRA. Go check out the n54 section...Shiv is now getting 425 wheel with a completely stock car motor with just the new Procede flash plus Procede piggy and e85 gas (which by the way is cheaper than 87 oct unleaded). So a tune-only n54 is going to run right with the Stage 1 supercharged M3s. Yes the 335 needs upgrades, particularly in the suspension dept...but with the above-mentioned tune, an LSD, coils and tires can do wonders for a 335.


I can't stress enough how much I could careless about the n54/n55's power potential. It means absolutely nothing to me. I do love the swift kick in the ass with the turbo's, but the car imo, is still garbage.


And yes, I'd rather a boosted M rather than a tuned 335i. I'm looking at the bigger picture, and in this case it's the M3. In every aspect. I don't care if it's slower.

It's like my buddy, he keeps yacking about getting a z06. I tell him I'd rather be in a Gallardo. I respect both cars, but at the end of the day I want to be in the better car. Not necessarily the faster one.
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