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      08-19-2012, 11:36 AM   #1
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Julian Assange - Hero or Enemy?

For whoever does not know (where have you been??) he is basically responsible for Wikileaks, the free speech organisation that has released a lot of confidential information to the public. Most of this information exposes corrupt Governments and individuals in this "War on Terror". So obviously there are some unhappy bunnies in the Government/Military.

Now the US want him to pay for what he's done. Ironic isn't it. But what the US wants, the US will get with help from its allies. So a sex allegation against Assange was made up and is being used by Sweden to try and get him extradited to Sweden. Then Sweden can get him extradited to the US where he will face life in jail or even the death penalty.

Assange then sought refuge in Equador's Embassy in London to claim political asylum. And in the last few days Equador has recently granted him political asylum So legally the UK police cant arrest him as long as he stays in the Embassy. At the moment there are around 100 UK police officers surrounding the Embassy, waiting to pounce.

What do you guys think about the whole situation? Is Assange right in what he did or should he not have exposed our Governments? How can he leave the UK without being arrested?
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I think some of the info leaked could have potentially put thousands of people in danger by giving locations, plans, grids, etc.. And not just the US, but all it's allies helping to fight overseas as well. Whether or not I believe this diabolical scheme you are talking about with Sweden, I think there should be some kind of punishment. It is basically treason to some extent, which used to be punishable by murdering you in the face with a gun.
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      08-19-2012, 12:41 PM   #3
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He could have handled it better than throwing thousands of pages of classified documents online that contain info that could endanger our soldiers overseas. Say what you want about our military, but it's not their choice to go where they are eventually deployed. They get put in harms way to protect our way of life, and Julian made their lives harder whether he knows it or not.

Block out location data, names, and things like that. Simply be more responsible than uploading megabytes of raw unedited PDF files.
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Why does the world need to know where a UAV crashed in Afghanistan after it went crazy and the USAF shot it down with an F-15? Why does the world need to know what we thought personally about other countries politicians?
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      08-19-2012, 03:01 PM   #5
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Ok so you all think he's wrong lol. On my own then Guess im just happy someone has taken a stand against our power/control hungry Governments.

But yeah, the military personnel are just doing their jobs. It is unfair if those documents have put them in danger, and a censorship of certain details should have been used. But Assange shouldn't be punished for that. His sources in the military should for releasing that information to him.

If you think that there has been no torture, bribery, personal agendas etc in these wars then that is wrong. Our governments are just simply A class in hiding their dodgy dealings, and i suppose i was just glad someone exposed them. Innocent people that have died in crossfire/military bombings don't mean anything. They are expendable. There are a number of cases when the military thought there was a "terrorist" in a location, ended up bombing the s**t out of it, and ending up with dead civilians. In some of these videos the army is actually laughing at the civilians trying to get away. Im not saying everyone is like that but these irresponsible actions have to stop.

But at the end of the day i believe ALL governments are unethical to different degrees. Some are greedy for personal gain, some are just greedy for power and control. At the moment the American Government is on top and are very good at justifying their actions.

This probably sounds like im trying to start a debate on the "War on Terror" but im not. Just purely focused on Assange and the actions of our governments.

(be easy on me)
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C'mon Ecuador.
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Mob17, you obviously think that assange is being rail roaded with false charges to face the music in the U.S.

For your information, Sweden is not a great allie of the United States and they're not even a member of NATO and arent going out on a limb for our benefit. Think you're reading in between the lines and you're way off base. Personally, I hope we do get our hands on him.
You have a political agenda and this is clearly a politcal thread and I dont know why this was not posted in the political section.
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In a perfect world yes what he did was right. But in reality no, we are fighting terrorism as much as I don't want to admit it we need to realize that we need to get our hands dirty to fight terrorism it's a necessary evil. With that being said what I hated is the way he carelessly just put all this secrets out. People always say that it didn't hurt anybody well my questions is how do you know, some of the documents are top secret if something went wrong because of the leaks there's a good possibility that the US govt kept a tight lid on it.

His actions had good intention just poorly executed. I could careless about the politicians that got embarassed i'm more concerned about our spies, informants and our soldiers that got put in harms way more than anything else.

Also isn't the guy getting arrested for rape, sounds like he is just trying to get away from that. His supporters are saying this was concocted by the CIA but even his lawyer is not disputing the sincerity of the accusers.
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C'mon Ecuador.
Finally some support! keep it coming!

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Mob17, you obviously think that assange is being rail roaded with false charges to face the music in the U.S.
Yeah i admit i do think that.

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For your information, Sweden is not a great allie of the United States and they're not even a member of NATO and arent going out on a limb for our benefit. Think you're reading in between the lines and you're way off base. Personally, I hope we do get our hands on him.
Im not saying Sweden set him up or anything. I personally think they have been presented with this sex allegation. They are just doing their duty to trial him.

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You have a political agenda and this is clearly a politcal thread and I dont know why this was not posted in the political section.
No political agenda i just dont have any trust for our Governments.

I never post off topic topics but felt the need to today. Didn't realise there was a political sub forum, sorry!
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there is no difference between him and the current goons in the whitehouse. They leak info constantly and even preemptively which has jeopardized our troops. The leakers in the white house are equally guilty which even included Obama at this point.

the video on youtube called dishonorable disclosures sums it up well.
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I think some of the info leaked could have potentially put thousands of people in danger by giving locations, plans, grids, etc.. And not just the US, but all it's allies helping to fight overseas as well. Whether or not I believe this diabolical scheme you are talking about with Sweden, I think there should be some kind of punishment. It is basically treason to some extent, which used to be punishable by murdering you in the face with a gun.
Treason? He's an Australian citizen, not a US Citizen
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Afraid not, my friend. I meant that in a joking manner, as in, "Are you serious Ecuador . . . why?"

I don't have a dog in the fight.

Also, this thread has now been relocated to the appropriate subforum.
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If Assange is not guilty of treason by way of being an Australian citizen, then he is guilty of espionage by way of being a foreign national. He thinks he is above the law. He is alleged to have raped two women. He jumped bail and left one of his supporters out about $500,000. This is a real Mr. Nice guy who belongs in the darkest prison in the US.
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Doesn't anyone see that he releases confidential damning information, rightly or wrongly, and suddenly theres a rape allegation? Seriously?

I think im a lone warrior here and everyone thinks he's bad. Fair enough your opinion
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Afraid not, my friend. I meant that in a joking manner, as in, "Are you serious Ecuador . . . why?"

I don't have a dog in the fight.

Also, this thread has now been relocated to the appropriate subforum.
Thanks.

Sorry, i dont understand what you mean by you dont have a dog in the fight?
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Another ego-centric guy who just wanted to be a player. Unfortunately his "playing" has probably cost lives already. Hope he got some satisfaction out of his undisciplined "public service".

Bet he's regretting at least some of his actions now. Too bad Julian, just keep hanging out in the embassy lunch room for the rest of your life.
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Another ego-centric guy who just wanted to be a player. Unfortunately his "playing" has probably cost lives already. Hope he got some satisfaction out of his undisciplined "public service".

Bet he's regretting at least some of his actions now. Too bad Julian, just keep hanging out in the embassy lunch room for the rest of your life.
What about the actions of your Government? Will they ever regret them?
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Where is 007 when you need him. If you Britts had any balls any more MI6 would have made short work of him months ago
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Britain has be our staunchest allie this past decade(and long before that). Much British blood has been shed in foreign sands standing side by side with U.S. troops.
I think its insulting to say that, even if in jest.
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I don't mind some of the whistle blowing WikiLeaks has done, notably the Afghanistan video and financial crisis correspondence. Many feel the diplomatic leaks of 2010 played an important role in the arab spring uprisings.

Of course there are significant negative effects from the release of classified military documentation as well as US' diplomatic documents, which weakens the US diplomatically and even worse, puts American servicemen's lives at greater risk.

For this reason Manning is in jail and Assange is wanted. Completely fair imo.
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Treason? He's an Australian citizen, not a US Citizen
And guess who is part of the overseas contingency? Australia.
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