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      08-06-2012, 06:58 PM   #45
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I agree with the plant in Spartanburg.. The US is a huge market for BMW so why not also help out the US with jobs during a terrible time.. But the thought of a plant in Mexico makes me sick.. BMW is making a lot of mistakes
I kinda agree, but you can't say that Mexico doesn't need to be helped out with jobs. Europe isn't doing too hot right now either, look at Greece or Spain.
This is exactly my point, that BMW prefers Mexicans to Americans. We both need help, but BMWs giving their help to Mexicans instead.
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      08-06-2012, 07:01 PM   #46
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I had a German made VW golf GTI in my twenties,it wasnt the most reliable car.

Cars assembled in Mexico

Acura MDX ,Acura ZDX,Chevrolet Camaro, Chevrolet Equinox, Chevrolet Impala, Chrysler 300 Chrysler Town & Country, Dodge Challenger, Dodge Charger

Dodge Grand Caravan, Ford Edge Ford Flex, GMC Terrain,Honda Civic sedan and coupe, Civic sedan and coupe Si,Lexus RX350 Lincoln MKT Lincoln MKX

Toyota Corolla,Toyota Matrix, Toyota RAV4, Volkswagen Routan

Cadillac Escalade EXT ,Cadillac SRX ,Chevrolet Avalanche, Chevrolet Aveo ,Chevrolet HHR ,Chevrolet Silverado and Silverado Hybrid ,Dodge Journey ,Fiat 500 ,Ford Fiesta

Ford Fusion and Fusion Hybrid ,GMC Sierra, Sierra Hybrid and Sierra Crew Cab ,Honda CR-V Lincoln MKZ and MKZ Hybrid Nissan Sentra Nissan Versa Ram 2500/3500/4500/5500

Toyota Tacoma Saab 9-4X Volkswagen Jetta/Jetta

Some of the most reliable cars like the Honda Civic,Toyota Tacoma,Corolla are made in Mexico.
Thank you for this.

Many comments in this thread about Mexico are downright racist and absolutely ignorant.

Mexico builds more cars than Canada as of this year for markets all over the world. As mentioned, Audi is opening a plant here.

99+% of people here have nothing to do with the drug trade which is the only thing that gets reported in the news about our country.

My first 3 series (a 99 E46 sedan) was assembled here from a knockdown kit and its quality was identical to the later BMWs I have bought. Armored BMWs are already assembled here today for plutocrats all over the world, including the US. Do you think BMW would risk quality for their armored vehicles?

Fact is Mexican labor has extremely high quality in the auto industry today with local plants routinely winning worldwide quality contests.
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      08-06-2012, 07:03 PM   #47
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One other thing is that for the U.S. economy this is actually good news compared with the current assembly situation.. Lots of parts for these 3 series would come from the U.S. side since our economies are so tightly integrated. Much more than if 3 series production continues solely in Germany and SA.

Mexican suppliers already provide a lot of parts for the existing BMW Spartanburg plant.
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Apologies, here's the most accurate list.


Cars assembled in Mexico

Cadillac Escalade EXT ,Cadillac SRX ,Chevrolet Avalanche, Chevrolet Aveo ,Chevrolet HHR ,Chevrolet Silverado and Silverado Hybrid ,Dodge Journey ,Fiat 500 ,Ford Fiesta

Ford Fusion and Fusion Hybrid ,GMC Sierra, Sierra Hybrid and Sierra Crew Cab ,Honda CR-V Lincoln MKZ and MKZ Hybrid Nissan Sentra Nissan Versa Ram 2500/3500/4500/5500

Toyota Tacoma Saab 9-4X Volkswagen Jetta/Jetta

Some of the most reliable cars like the Honda CRV,Toyota Tacoma,Nissan Sentra are made in Mexico.
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This is exactly my point, that BMW prefers Mexicans to Americans. We both need help, but BMWs giving their help to Mexicans instead.
Take this up with GM, Ford, etc. as well. ALL AUTO COMPANIES SEEK BEST PROFITS for their SHAREHOLDERS, wherever they may be. No company is in the business of "helping out" its consumers.
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This is the worst thing i've heard from BMW, I had a 02 1.8T jetta (my first car,2nd owner) that car fell apart and ended up leaking oil in my turbine at 69,xxx.

I blamed VW for producing this car for it's poor craftsmenship in Mexico. BMW, PLEASE RECONSIDER!
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      08-06-2012, 07:15 PM   #51
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This is the worst thing i've heard from BMW, I had a 02 1.8T jetta (my first car,2nd owner) that car fell apart and ended up leaking oil in my turbine at 69,xxx.

I blamed VW for producing this car for it's poor craftsmenship in Mexico. BMW, PLEASE RECONSIDER!
VW had problems with their quality here many years ago.

This was a VW problem, not a Mexico problem. As has been mentioned, many other cars are built here today with no problems. Even VW has cleaned up its act. All U.S. Jettas and Beetles come from Mexico.
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GM not only assembles cars here, it has parts of its worldwide platform engineering & design done in Mexico. A friend of mine is responsible for worldwide braking systems for a couple of their platforms.
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10 years ago imagine hearing this:

new bmw 3 series -
electric steering
4 cyl. turbo
all-wheel drive
assembled in mexico

WTF!
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      08-06-2012, 08:33 PM   #56
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Fail, same mistake VW did. Ill make sure not to get any of those models during that time period let alone a FWD bimmer ! cheap labor - cheap parts = no love going into that bmw
Which mistake did VW make? Their cars are selling in record numbers and everyone I know who has a Mexican-made Jetta loves it. I have a couple friends with GTIs (made in Germany) and you can't even tell the difference in terms of build quality.
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      08-06-2012, 08:38 PM   #57
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Friend of mine just bought new Jetta for his daughter. After three weeks of ownership car is at the dealer for engine and trany change, and some other stuff.
Well two weeks ago i sold my 2011 Jetta, that i bought new.
i made 29k miles on it and no issues!

BUT im really not happy with the fact that bmw want to make that move
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[QUOTE/]Take this up with GM, Ford, etc. as well. ALL AUTO COMPANIES SEEK BEST PROFITS for their SHAREHOLDERS, wherever they may be. No company is in the business of "helping out" its consumers.[/quote]


THANK YOU! I don't understand how people can possibly think companies (like BMW) are out to "help" countries with struggling economies. Give me a break, that's just pathetic.
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Never fails to surprise me how ignorant and racist people can be - extrapolating their warped perception of things to draw baseless conclusions as some of you have.

It is no wonder we Americans are viewed as mindless drones. Y'all need to wake up.
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Wow, some of the responses here are incredible, but I guess that's what happens on Internet forums where no facts are required to make blanket statements.
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Which mistake did VW make? Their cars are selling in record numbers and everyone I know who has a Mexican-made Jetta loves it. I have a couple friends with GTIs (made in Germany) and you can't even tell the difference in terms of build quality.




GTIs are made in Germany.

1996 VW GTI MK3 made in Mexico.
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Mexican delivery?
Hecho En Mexico - Not my BMW.
Cell phone maybe, but not my car.

Made in America.
Made in Germany.

I won't be buying one made in Mexico.
Tell me about it
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I guess a lot of people are going to stop flying once they read these:

http://www.usatoday.com/money/indust...erospace_N.htm

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...238682634.html

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I guess a lot of people here are going to stop flying once they read these:

http://www.usatoday.com/money/indust...erospace_N.htm

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...238682634.html
Thanks for that. Let me present a few "I didn´t know they were Mexican" companies:

Owned by BIMBO (the largest bread manufacturer in the world - yep it´s Mexican):

- Sara Lee
- Mrs Bairds
- Arnold
- Brownberry
- Earth Grains
- Oroweat
- Ball Park

Owned by Comex (a 2 billion+ paint manufacturer):

- Color Wheel Paint
- Frazee Paint
- Kwal Paint
- Parker Paint
- General Paint (Canada)

Owned by Cemex (2nd largest cement manufacturer in the world):

- Brikset
- Dixie
- RichMortar
- RichColor
- Citadel

- America Movil (a mexican cellular/phone carrier) has 313 million subscribers, 4th largest in the world, more wireless subscribers that AT&T and Verizon combined.

And of course the world´s richest man is mexican. Carlos Slim is richer than Buffet & Gates. (Admittedly, this last data point isn´t necessarily a positive, but still.)

I have the utmost respect for the U.S. I am cheering for you guys to beat the Chinese in the current Olympics. I think that the Mars landing last night stands as probably the greatest engineering achievement of all time. Now, THAT is something that only the U.S. can pull off.

But we Mexicans definitely can build a quality BMW.

And *some* of the comments here are incredibly racist, frustrating and plain stupid.
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I agree with the plant in Spartanburg.. The US is a huge market for BMW so why not also help out the US with jobs during a terrible time.. But the thought of a plant in Mexico makes me sick.. BMW is making a lot of mistakes
I kinda agree, but you can't say that Mexico doesn't need to be helped out with jobs. Europe isn't doing too hot right now either, look at Greece or Spain.
This is exactly my point, that BMW prefers Mexicans to Americans. We both need help, but BMWs giving their help to Mexicans instead.
Exactly.. Let's compare how many BMWs are sold in the US compared to Mexico.. It's not BMWs responsibility to just give jobs in the places where it's needed.. The US deserved a plant.
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