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      07-15-2012, 01:51 AM   #45
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Why do people say that? "Especially the sedan"?

You mean the lighter, stiffer sedan? That one?
Sedan is heavier than the coupe by about 25 pounds.
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      07-15-2012, 05:25 AM   #46
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I am not going to bash you but i will say this. I know how you feel. You know why? The first time i drove an E9X M3 was when I had my 335i and I thought exactly the same thing....whats the big deal with this car? the steering feels better o the 335i, i felt more connected to the ground with it..yadayada. It wasnt until I drove the second time around without any time limit and i got to know the car and knew what to look for when playing with the M settings. Now i drive any car, a Honda, the 335i or the C300 and the M is ahead of the game. While all the other cars feel quick and smooth and handle pretty well, there is something TOTALLY different with the M's driving characteristic. It seems endless and its when you really push it, is when you feel how solid the chassis is, how much more the engine wants to rev without feeling "slow" or "sluggish" from whomping on it. Then theres the handling, once you get the settings you like, it really gives you confidence that the 3 series just cant offer.
i had a 335 and there is no comparison. the M3 is totally superior in every category. the 335 was a fast car right up until that fuel pump went and went and went and went.
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      07-15-2012, 06:48 AM   #47
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Urbo73, very well thought out post. I am a very average driver at the track and my Porsche Cayman is a great track car in that it can make an average driver look good.

As you emphasized, the M3 is a great daily driver but does carry some weight.

When I was looking to replace my 335i, I intended to get a 2010 M3 coupe but faced with a close to $1,000 lease payment I decided to shop around. I then test drove the Cayman and got a great deal on it so I became a Porsche owner. The 911 Carrera S that I liked was about $115,000 and I ended getting my Cayman S for about $70,000.

As I think more about it, the Cayman, M3 and of course the 911 are all great cars. If you own one, consider yourself fortunate.

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      07-17-2012, 09:08 AM   #48
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Urbo73, very well thought out post. I am a very average driver at the track and my Porsche Cayman is a great track car in that it can make an average driver look good.

As you emphasized, the M3 is a great daily driver but does carry some weight.

When I was looking to replace my 335i, I intended to get a 2010 M3 coupe but faced with a close to $1,000 lease payment I decided to shop around. I then test drove the Cayman and got a great deal on it so I became a Porsche owner. The 911 Carrera S that I liked was about $115,000 and I ended getting my Cayman S for about $70,000.

As I think more about it, the Cayman, M3 and of course the 911 are all great cars. If you own one, consider yourself fortunate.

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The Cayman is a great car - I had one myself when it first came out, before the M3 (along with an old 911 SC). It is also easier to drive than the 911, and that's also why it's an automotive journalist's dream (as seen in magazine reviews, rankings, etc.). The trick is not to get into a bad spin, as the mid-engine design will cause the car to spin on it's mid-axis - something very difficult/almost impossible to recover from. This is why Porsche built in a good amount of understeer in the Cayman/Boxster platforms. They do that even with the 911s, but to a lesser extent (and the rear engine compensates anyways). This understeer however, starts to slow lap times. That's why when I see Cayman on top in the mag reviews, I say - do 10-15 laps! I spoke on that above a bit.

But overall, yes, all are of course good cars, and IMHO, more than most drivers can handle (even if they think otherwise!). I see people talk about 7/10ths, 8/10ths, etc., but am not sure they know what it really means to be even 9/10ths close to the limit. I've driven some gung-ho trackers in my cars and they are surprised the car can do "more". This goes for most cars I've owned and tracked. As such, one should go with the car he/she feels most at ease with. Absolutely the right approach in my mind. Go not with what the mags or forums say (use that as a guideline with a grain of salt), but go with what YOU like and fits your lifestyle. Even if I prefer the 911 over any other street car, it's not the only car I've owned/own and not the be all, end all for everything. Quite impractical at times. I have a VW GTI as my cheap/family/"practical" car now, and I'll be the first to tell you it's a great car that you can really work out - a lot more than people think. In fact, most are surprised when I drive them in how fast and good the car can be.
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Sedan is heavier than the coupe by about 25 pounds.
Something like that - negligible. Go with what suits you. In terms of weight/power/speed ratios, sedan vs. coupe vs. carbon fiber roof will have 0 impact on track, never mind the street
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i had a 335 and there is no comparison. the M3 is totally superior in every category. the 335 was a fast car right up until that fuel pump went and went and went and went.
No need to put down the 335. I for one think it's better geared for street driving - the majority of what people do.
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OP: You are right, the e9x ///M3 sucks......its overpriced and slow. Why anyone would by one is beyond me. It feels exactly like a 335i, pretty much the same car, except the ///M has no torque, the 335i feels so fast at 2500krpms, while the ///M3 feels so slow at 2500krpms.

BMW screwed the car up, what a waste. Thankfully some people are smart enough to catch onto this scam and not get suckered into buying one.

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When bringing in my M3 for service, I got a 335is as a loaner car. On the regular roads, it felt great..very peppy (def some turbo lag tho), great torque in any gear, nice exhaust sounds, steering had a nice heavy feel to it vs. the lighter M3 steering, and I was like wow, there really isn't that much of a difference between the 2 cars. Then I took it in the twisty/hilly roads that I normally take my M3 on and the differences became striking. The 335is steering wasn't quick or light enough to negotiate the tight turns and switchbacks and could not build nearly the same speed though the twistys without feeling like I was losing grip (tons of tire squeal whereas the M3 wouldn't break a sweat). It just depends where/ how you drive it..if it's just regular flat streets, highways, a 335 (or is) is an awesome choice. But if you track or enjoy driving hilly/twisty roads, like to "work" an engine/row your own gears, you will appreciate the instant throttle response, precise throttle modulation, quick/high-ratio steering, and physics-defying suspension and feel of the M3. Most standard test drives in many locations won't allow you to really compare the two cars in the way they should be compared.
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      07-18-2012, 07:28 AM   #53
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When bringing in my M3 for service, I got a 335is as a loaner car. On the regular roads, it felt great..very peppy (def some turbo lag tho), great torque in any gear, nice exhaust sounds, steering had a nice heavy feel to it vs. the lighter M3 steering, and I was like wow, there really isn't that much of a difference between the 2 cars. Then I took it in the twisty/hilly roads that I normally take my M3 on and the differences became striking. The 335is steering wasn't quick or light enough to negotiate the tight turns and switchbacks and could not build nearly the same speed though the twistys without feeling like I was losing grip (tons of tire squeal whereas the M3 wouldn't break a sweat). It just depends where/ how you drive it..if it's just regular flat streets, highways, a 335 (or is) is an awesome choice. But if you track or enjoy driving hilly/twisty roads, like to "work" an engine/row your own gears, you will appreciate the instant throttle response, precise throttle modulation, quick/high-ratio steering, and physics-defying suspension and feel of the M3. Most standard test drives in many locations won't allow you to really compare the two cars in the way they should be compared.
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