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![]() then my stock manual M3 must have at least 400 to the wheels from what it looked when I raced my friends 1M on the highway! In second gear it was really close, as soon as I hit 3rd, I started to pull easily and when I hit my 4th gear, it was a real massacre. I was even wondering if he letted go the throttle, but he assured me he was still WOT and we made the same race at least 3 other time right after that one, all with the same result! I must say I was happilly surprised with the result but that's what it was! So 330 to the wheels, I would be REALLY surprised! ![]() Last edited by Alex07M3; 07-10-2012 at 09:07 PM. |
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In sure the m3 puts down the pwr. I'm around 410 at the wheels w cat-less DPs. Since switched to catted so I'm sure there is some pwr loss. HP only gets you so far...handling is what's important to me, which is why I want an M3.
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I am surprised that no one has mentioned about the wet sump system in 1M. 1M may track nearly as good as a M3, but engine longevity starts to go down the drain the moment you try to chase a real M. If you run r-comp tires, then your engine longevity will suffer even more. I was surprised that 1M is the only recent M car with a wet sump, this makes me question if BMW built it for track days.
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It is a bit different, BMW marketing calls it semi dry sump. M3 semi-dry sump lubrication system with pressure and scavenging pumps to minimize oil starvation. Like the S54 engine, the oil is contained in a separate compartment in the bottom of the engine, separated from the crankshaft by a metal plate that prevents "windage" of the oil.
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Why do people say the 1M isn't a real M car? It's RWD, relatively light-weight, manual only and isn't turbo. I've seen a couple in person and I'm impressed. When they drop to the high $40s/low $50s they'll definitely be worth it. However, at current prices I'd take an M3 for its glorious S65 engine and higher degree of practicality.
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![]() 1M N54 engine has single pump #1 ![]() M3 S65 oil pan is baffled preventing oil from leaving the separate compartment in the bottom of the engine, so the pumps can suck up the oil even during high gforce. ![]() M3 S54 oil pan is the same. ![]() now take a look at 1M N54 oil pan, it is not baffled. the oil is NOT contained in a separate compartment in the bottom of the engine, separated from the crankshaft by a metal plate that prevents "windage" of the oil. ![]() Now tell me which one is really designed for track enthusiasts? Yes none of the M cars have true dry sump but at least the "semi dry" works well in protecting the engine.
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Hey look , it's another m3 circle jerk thread
I feel sorry for a lot of y'all, unable to have respect or admiration for any car other than the one you own. I went from an m3 to a 1m and couldn't be happier because the 1m is a better match for me personally. And I track my car in south Texas and its tuned. Zero heat issues. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your 1m bashing! Rock on m3post |
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![]() I'd love your opinion on the 1M as opposed to the E92 M3. I've been seriously considering switching as well. I drove a 1M once and boy it felt a lot lighter.
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I like the fact that BMW has taken steps to reduce the oil starvation issue found on earlier models, but a dry sump it ain't. Not even close. Bruce |
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Still, I doubt you track a sufficient number of miles to be able to forecast the engine longevity... What are your oil temps on track in the summer?
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The 1M is a cool car but it is not a true M car... That being said buy the car you want and have fun...
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Go drive one, and come back to report if you think it's a fraud. Frankly I'm more concerned that M hasn't produced any homologation specials in a very long time. Just mostly luxo barges with incresingly high prices and convenience features. It's not important what engine would power such a homologation special, as long as the intent and execution are crystal clear.
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