335i vs GTO 6.0L

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

GTOs are slow compared to the 335 with procede.
GTOs are very heavy.

those are 2 vague and incorrect statements. The GTO is heavy, but not VERY heavy. Hell the 335 coupes are not much less. And if trapping 109 in the 1/4 is slow, then so are procede 335's.....thats what they trap.

[Driv3r]

Originally Posted by speedfreak81

Hey guys.....I'm a GTO owner. I know Matt (Sniz) and he sent me the link to this thread. Being the GTO owner I thought I could share some first hand knowledge. First of all.....it seems that most of these accounts are at high altitude where the forced induction of the 335 obviously has the advantage over the N/A GTO. I understand you guys are just posting your first hand encounters, I just want to make sure that the general consensus isn't that "All GTOs are slow and run mid to low 14s no matter where you run them."

Yes, GTOs are heavy pigs. (around 3725 pounds) They are also VERY tricky to launch because of the IRS, and the RIDICULOUSLY skinny tires that GM in their infinite wisdom decided to stick on them. (245s for the 17" rims, and 235 for the 18s) Needless to say, the tires are ridiculously undersized for a 400hp vehicle. That combination produces some NASTY wheel hop out of the hole, so 1/4 mile ETs suffer. A lot of the guys are putting drag bags in the rears to help control it. That being said, if a competant driver is behind the wheel of a 6 speed 05+ GTO...they can be very quick. I took my car to the strip (slightly above sea level) with 1,400 miles on the clock and logged a best pass of 13.3@109mph bone stock.

Matt (Sniz) and I are going to meet up VERY soon to see what my stock GTO can do against his Procede 335i. Hopefully we'll get some videos so you guys can see the runs. Like I said, I have never run a 335i so I don't really have any idea what to expect, but I'm a pretty good driver. I used to have a 2003 Z06 (stock) and ran 12.2@116 in 104* August heat last summer.

Anyway, if anyone else has any questions for a GTO owner, feel free to ask and I'll answer as best I can.

Cheers!
~Brian

Hey man welcome to e90post, yea the GTO is a beast though i drove one a few times

[badass335]

I ran against a New GTO on the way home from a German Car meet in Seattle. We had nice roads, a little twisty through the mountains but overall pretty good. I will say, they are damn fast. I stayed in front probably by 2 -3 car lengths but he was right there behind me. We pushed pretty hard and if we ran into corners, i came out faster so maintained my lead and I have procede. There was an S4 with exhaust behind and he couldn't keep with us. I slowed down after a while and the guy drove up. He had the shocked look on his face..

[Mr. 5]

Originally Posted by Sniz

those are 2 vague and incorrect statements. The GTO is heavy, but not VERY heavy. Hell the 335 coupes are not much less. And if trapping 109 in the 1/4 is slow, then so are procede 335's.....thats what they trap.

Based on my experience, they are slower than a lot of people think.
Maybe the term "slow" was a bad choice of words.

The times that I've seen these things put down are not impressive by any means.

You are correct about the weight though. I just looked up the weight on the GTO and it's 3725 lbs and the 335 coupe is 3571 lbs - a difference of 154 lbs.
I thought that the GTO was pushing 4k, but I guess I was wrong.

That's still 154 lbs though. On top of that, I just found a dyno of a new GTO.
Can you see why are times are so much better??

[A418t81]

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

Based on my experience, they are slower than a lot of people think.
Maybe the term "slow" was a bad choice of words.

The times that I've seen these things put down are not impressive by any means.

You are correct about the weight though. I just looked up the weight on the GTO and it's 3725 lbs and the 335 coupe is 3571 lbs - a difference of 154 lbs.
I thought that the GTO was pushing 4k, but I guess I was wrong.

That's still 154 lbs though. On top of that, I just found a dyno of a new GTO.
Can you see why are times are so much better??

That can't be an LS2 dyno.

[Mr. 5]

Originally Posted by A418t81

That can't be an LS2 dyno.

I know dynos are different, but I found this based on some guys dyno with his new GTO.

[DCJAX]

Originally Posted by A418t81

That can't be an LS2 dyno.

Not likely. That would even be a pretty weak dyno for an Ls1.

My 98 LS1 (pre ls6 intake, weak 98 cam etc.) put down 320rwhp with a catback and airlid... the 02 ls1s were doing that totally stock.

[speedfreak81]

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

GTOs are slow compared to the 335 with procede.
GTOs are very heavy.

I take it you have a Procede and have destroyed LS2 goats then? My '06 GTO trapped 109mph bone stock with 1400 miles on it. I don't know where that puts me against a Procede 335 because I haven't raced one yet.....but I wouldn't call it "slow."

[speedfreak81]

Originally Posted by Driv3r

Hey man welcome to e90post, yea the GTO is a beast though i drove one a few times

Thanks man for the warm welcome! I see you're in Miami. Buddy of mine lived in Dania Beach for 5 years and just moved back home here to the DC area.

[speedfreak81]

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

Based on my experience, they are slower than a lot of people think.
Maybe the term "slow" was a bad choice of words.

The times that I've seen these things put down are not impressive by any means.

You are correct about the weight though. I just looked up the weight on the GTO and it's 3725 lbs and the 335 coupe is 3571 lbs - a difference of 154 lbs.
I thought that the GTO was pushing 4k, but I guess I was wrong.

That's still 154 lbs though. On top of that, I just found a dyno of a new GTO.
Can you see why are times are so much better??

Ok, it's posts like this that irritate me. You must know absolutely nothing about GTOs.....that right there HAS to be a dyno graph for a 2004 GTO. (5.7 LS1 350hp) Even that is a bit on the low side...probably an auto '04 goat. There is a BIG difference between '04 and 05+ GTOs. The 05+ have 50 more hp and you're talking a 364 cube LS2 vs. a 346 cube LS1. Most of the LS2 05+ cars dyno between 340-350rwhp stock. It would probably be a good idea to do some research before writing some of the things I've seen out of your last couple posts.

It pays to know your enemy, so to speak!

[musc]

The GTO is strong at sea level with good weather. Plus they were a bargain. My friend picked one up for 27K new. + It doesn't take much to get extra hp out of a small block chevy. They may have not been the prettiest cars, but definitely a nice bang for the buck.

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by speedfreak81

Ok, it's posts like this that irritate me. You must know absolutely nothing about GTOs.....that right there HAS to be a dyno graph for a 2004 GTO. (5.7 LS1 350hp) Even that is a bit on the low side...probably an auto '04 goat. There is a BIG difference between '04 and 05+ GTOs. The 05+ have 50 more hp and you're talking a 364 cube LS2 vs. a 346 cube LS1. Most of the LS2 05+ cars dyno between 340-350rwhp stock. It would probably be a good idea to do some research before writing some of the things I've seen out of your last couple posts.

It pays to know your enemy, so to speak!

Mr 5 got Kurt all riled up

The stock LS2 motor is one hell of a good starting point. Honestly I'd rather have one of them under the hood of my 335 than the N54. More tuneable (is that a word?) and better gas mileage as well as being cheaper to mod and repair. Yes the twin turbo 6 is a great motor, but for the money the LS2 is great. It might weigh less than the N54 too??

Honestly, this is a good looking car! However its not stock, I believe it has a complete Holden front end.



and sounds damned good too! V8 rumble FTW baby!

http://s9.photobucket.com/albums/a81...t=c044392b.flv

[speedfreak81]

Originally Posted by Sniz

Mr 5 got Kurt all riled up

The stock LS2 motor is one hell of a good starting point. Honestly I'd rather have one of them under the hood of my 335 than the N54. More tuneable (is that a word?) and better gas mileage as well as being cheaper to mod and repair. Yes the twin turbo 6 is a great motor, but for the money the LS2 is great. It might weigh less than the N54 too??

Honestly, this is a good looking car! However its not stock, I believe it has a complete Holden front end.



and sounds damned good too! V8 rumble FTW baby!

http://s9.photobucket.com/albums/a81...t=c044392b.flv

Got Brian all riled up too!! I saw that post over on LS2gto.com earlier with that car in it. Those rims look great on that car, yes it's a holden conversion. I'm undecided what I like better. I like the lower "mouth" area on the holden front better....but I don't like the upper part where the 2 pontiac grills are on the regular GTO. God that probably confused the hell out of a lot of people.

Get my PM on the other bimmer forum?

[Mr. 5]

Well, it's about time I ticked off a couple people here, and the funny thing is that I didn't even tick off a 335 owner.

It's obvious that some GTO guys were crying about losing at LACR to a 335 and you just had to post here to strut your stuff.
Know my enemy? I have the kills under my belt at the track and I'm pretty sure post number 1 will back me up.

Originally Posted by speedfreak81

Ok, it's posts like this that irritate me. You must know absolutely nothing about GTOs.....that right there HAS to be a dyno graph for a 2004 GTO. (5.7 LS1 350hp) Even that is a bit on the low side...probably an auto '04 goat. There is a BIG difference between '04 and 05+ GTOs. The 05+ have 50 more hp and you're talking a 364 cube LS2 vs. a 346 cube LS1. Most of the LS2 05+ cars dyno between 340-350rwhp stock. It would probably be a good idea to do some research before writing some of the things I've seen out of your last couple posts.

It pays to know your enemy, so to speak!

[1clean335i]

I want to go run one now just to see the actual results...

[Sniz]

yeah I got the IM kurt....i'm in for this weekend. Shouldnt be as crazy as the past few for me. Check you message box.

[Cookiemonster]

I own a 2004 ls-1 GTO and a 335I sedan.

They are about the same in speed. 335I is a much better car in handleing and brakes.

best run in my stock ls-1 GTO was 13.4 @ 105. consistant 13.6 at 103 to 104

Gto's in ls-1 or ls-2 versions need a little loving to make them run fast. They heat up quick when sitting. A simple thing as turning on the a/c when in line run will lower coolant by twenty degree. Then you simple turnit off when you run the 1/4 mile. I use to hang with lots of ls-1 gto guys and gals....lol we where all 13.5 and under. You have to power shift! in order to to get decent times. The throws of the stick are huge. Power shift will net you the best times the shocks are soft when power shifting this makes the wheels loose which makes the car rock less ....hard to explain. I can beat a ls-2 GTO that does not power shift if I power shift in my LS-1 GTO. the best 60' time requires no wheel spin. If you spin the tires at all off the line your times will suck.

GTO is a simple car that takes practice to get the launch and times down.

It is heavy at over 3800 pounds ....it is heavy and you feel every pound.

[speedfreak81]

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

Well, it's about time I ticked off a couple people here, and the funny thing is that I didn't even tick off a 335 owner.

It's obvious that some GTO guys were crying about losing at LACR to a 335 and you just had to post here to strut your stuff.
Know my enemy? I have the kills under my belt at the track and I'm pretty sure post number 1 will back me up.

Actually.....Matt aka "Sniz", a 335 owner sent me a PM on another bimmer board that I'm a member of pointing out this thread. I'm not here to strut my stuff as you say either. There seemed to be a bit of a misconception, and being a GTO owner, thought I could offer up some info coming from the other side of the fence. I have absolutely nothing against 335s or bimmers in general. In fact, I was contemplating buying a 335 at the end of this year, but got a deal on the GTO I just couldn't justify not jumping on. If you'll take a look at my sig, you'll see that I've owned many cars from many different manufacturers. I'm not a "Chevy guy" or a "Pontiac guy" per say....just a car enthusiast who enjoys each machine for what they are able to offer me.

[Garrett]

Originally Posted by speedfreak81

Actually.....Matt aka "Sniz", a 335 owner sent me a PM on another bimmer board that I'm a member of pointing out this thread. I'm not here to strut my stuff as you say either. There seemed to be a bit of a misconception, and being a GTO owner, thought I could offer up some info coming from the other side of the fence. I have absolutely nothing against 335s or bimmers in general. In fact, I was contemplating buying a 335 at the end of this year, but got a deal on the GTO I just couldn't justify not jumping on. If you'll take a look at my sig, you'll see that I've owned many cars from many different manufacturers. I'm not a "Chevy guy" or a "Pontiac guy" per say....just a car enthusiast who enjoys each machine for what they are able to offer me.

Welcome to the boards....

My friends younger bro has a GTO o5'. He drove us home from the bar last year and it's pretty quick. Felt like an older Vette!






-Garrett

[speedfreak81]

Originally Posted by Garrett

Welcome to the boards....

My friends younger bro has a GTO o5'. He drove us home from the bar last year and it's pretty quick. Felt like an older Vette!






-Garrett

Thanks Garrett! Glad to be here.

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by speedfreak81

Thanks Garrett! Glad to be here.

I just want everyone to know the GTO folks at LACR were great sports. Even after they lost, they came up to talk to me, they were friendly, and curious about how a little four door 3 series sedan could beat them. I hung out with some of them at the track, it was all in good fun.

[Mr. 5]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

I just want everyone to know the GTO folks at LACR were great sports. Even after they lost, they came up to talk to me, they were friendly, and curious about how a little four door 3 series sedan could beat them. I hung out with some of them at the track, it was all in good fun.

Glad to hear it!
When it all comes down to it, it's nothing but fun!