Houston M Club Track Day MSR-Houston 8/25 - Page 3

VMcV3y · 07-11-2012, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bigjae1976

Normally, convertibles need to have either a hard top or a functioniing automatic roll bar (pop up style).

Not sure what specifically is required with the M Club or MSRH.

I went over the rules in detail before the 5 May MSRH track day, and you're right specifically with the automated ROPS*, they are permitted under those conditions. Also, confirmed it via e-mail with Kurt H., Sales Mgr, on the 15th of March.

MSR: “All open cars, including convertibles, must have a roll bar, except for touring laps.”

*Roll Over Protection System
“You and your passengers are assured of a robust and protective occupant cell, even if your Convertible or Roadster overturns, thanks to the roll-over protection system. Within a fraction of a second, your safety is enhanced by additional head protection.

Together with the highly rigid A columns and reinforced windscreen frames of every BMW Convertible or Roadster model, the roll-over protection system creates a safe "occupant cell" should the vehicle overturn. Roll-over sensors activate special high-strength roll-bars that are integrated in or behind the seats, ensuring there is sufficient clearance for occupant's heads in the event of an accident. The integrated seatbelt system ensures that you and your passenger are restrained firmly in your seats.”
http://www.bmw.com/com/en/insights/t...rotection.html

So, grab your helmet and drive with the top down! It's a blast.

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bigjae1976 · 07-11-2012, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ThunderMoose

Phil - I'm interested in check ride since I have never driven CCW

Its easy. When you enter the pits, turn right instead of left, stay on the pavement, and don't run over any cones.

///M Ryder · 07-11-2012, 11:26 PM

We will do a couple of extra parade laps. We'll have the lead driver to drive the correct line so that everyone gets a slow feel for the track in the reverse direction..........Phil

bigjae1976 · 07-12-2012, 07:59 AM

Its pretty much the same going CCW. The only tricky part is the Diamond's edge. There's a kink to the right. At first you'll want to slow down on the straight and work your way up to a brush of the brakes.

For the sweeper (T9), beginners should late apex. More advanced drivers can kind of creep in from the left edge with a light brush of the brakes. There's camber on the inner half of the track. Then you need to get on the brakes hard into the bus stop.

Gut check is flat out then brake hard into T16. You can run really wide past the rumble strips to scrub off more speed if you want to be safe. Be sure to late apex T17. If you early apex, don't lift. Don't be a hero, just go off the track if you go into a spin. The car will shoot towards the inside of the track...unless you initiate a tank slapper...then who knows.

The only way you'll hit the wall is if you:

a) drive straight into it
b) are being a total jackass
c) try and save it, oscillate down the track

bigjae1976 · 07-12-2012, 08:04 AM

JC919 · 07-12-2012, 09:56 AM

Is there room for me to include a plus one? He'd be bringing a 650i and he's run MSR in a Risi 430 GT2 car before. I just wanted to check before I extend the invite.

///M Ryder · 07-12-2012, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JC919

Is there room for me to include a plus one? He'd be bringing a 650i and he's run MSR in a Risi 430 GT2 car before. I just wanted to check before I extend the invite.

Yeah go for it......I would like to see a 650i on the track. When I owned mine I thought it was super heavy and would be a pig on the track........Phil

TXmtrhed · 07-12-2012, 02:51 PM

Any opinions on if running CCW is harder on right side or left side tires?

I’ve been running CW @ TWS the last couple of events and that has worn the tread blocks to the point that if I was running CW there again I would flip the tires on the wheels.

Running MSRH CCW has us going through the Carousel and Gut Check with a lot of load on the left with only the Sweeper and 16-17 being the faster left hand turns.

So which side will get more wear?

bigjae1976 · 07-12-2012, 04:11 PM

Not sure. Going CW, you'd think your outer left tire would get worn more but...with the conti slicks...I always corded the right tire first. I think the carousel was doing them in.

///M Ryder · 07-12-2012, 04:50 PM

I'm thinking the wear is fairly even because MSR isn't all right hand or all left hand. I would say keep an eye on the tire pressure......especially in this heat. I usually run 32psi cold and have had good results. That's on PS2'2 and R-S3's..............Phil

ThunderMoose · 07-12-2012, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bigjae1976

Its easy. When you enter the pits, turn right instead of left, stay on the pavement, and don't run over any cones.

I just need to know where to spin out

bdaddylo · 07-13-2012, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ThunderMoose

I just need to know where to spin out

BigJae should be able help with that!

ThunderMoose · 07-13-2012, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bdaddylo

BigJae should be able help with that!

He's the reason I have a fire extinguisher and nomex gloves

leonelhpfm3 · 07-13-2012, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Redracer5

This noob will drive in either direction. Count me in.

+2....I Have never driven the MSRH but not a noob to tracking.

I've driven the AMS a coule times & LVMS once

but no expert by any means so lets get it

bigjae1976 · 07-13-2012, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bdaddylo

BigJae should be able help with that!

Werd...I put a show on for someone last time...forgot who it was.

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Originally Posted by ThunderMoose

He's the reason I have a fire extinguisher and nomex gloves

Ok, I made you spend $200. But your whole E46 track car thing you started...you've got lots more people spending lots more money.

M3roar · 07-16-2012, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by bigjae1976

Werd...I put a show on for someone last time...forgot who it was.

Ok, I made you spend $200. But your whole E46 track car thing you started...you've got lots more people spending lots more money.

Can't give Moose that credit... many of us have been e46m fans for a long while. Once the track bug got me. I couldnt justify dedicating a $65k+ car for the track. Next best thing... an e46m. Though yes, his car is a great example.

bigjae1976 · 07-16-2012, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by M3roar

Can't give Moose that credit... many of us have been e46m fans for a long while. Once the track bug got me. I couldnt justify dedicating a $65k+ car for the track. Next best thing... an e46m. Though yes, his car is a great example.

I do know one thing. Finding a good E46 M3 that's not a vert and not an SMG can be challenging. You guys aren't helping the situation.

TxFeatFan · 07-16-2012, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bigjae1976

Werd...I put a show on for someone last time...forgot who it was.

That was me, BigJae.

It was great to see such a fine example of corded-tire understeer given by an on-course instructor!

Plus, the helmet-cam video I have of the fresh-cut daisies flying over the hood is priceless.

After that, I said to myself, "Heck, I can do THAT!" So now, I'm in!

bdaddylo · 07-16-2012, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TxFeatFan

That was me, BigJae.

It was great to see such a fine example of corded-tire understeer given by an on-course instructor!

Plus, the helmet-cam video I have of the fresh-cut daisies flying over the hood is priceless.

After that, I said to myself, "Heck, I can do THAT!" So now, I'm in!

Who qualified him as an instructor?

bigjae1976 · 07-16-2012, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TxFeatFan

That was me, BigJae.

It was great to see such a fine example of corded-tire understeer given by an on-course instructor!

Plus, the helmet-cam video I have of the fresh-cut daisies flying over the hood is priceless.

After that, I said to myself, "Heck, I can do THAT!" So now, I'm in!

At least I didn't combust into a ball of flames...I only save that act for really special people.

I'm already nervous about bringing the 330 out. I've leaked every kind of fluid except washer fluid. Well, not quite but I've been beating my car down much to the shagrin (sp?) of the guy who rebuilt my engine.

ThunderMoose · 07-16-2012, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bigjae1976

At least I didn't combust into a ball of flames...I only save that act for really special people.

I'm already nervous about bringing the 330 out. I've leaked every kind of fluid except washer fluid. Well, not quite but I've been beating my car down much to the shagrin (sp?) of the guy who rebuilt my engine.

I'll try to stay on your 6. I'll have my fire extinguisher and nomex gloves at the ready.

///M Ryder · 07-16-2012, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ThunderMoose

I'll try to stay on your 6. I'll have my fire extinguisher and nomex gloves at the ready.

Do I need to contract a extra "Lil Red Wagon" for this event

........Phil

07-11-2012, 11:26 PM	#47
///M Ryder Grown Azz Man Drives: 2011.5 Dinan ///M3 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Houston Posts: 1,989 iTrader: (3)	We will do a couple of extra parade laps. We'll have the lead driver to drive the correct line so that everyone gets a slow feel for the track in the reverse direction..........Phil __________________ 2011.5 E92 Dinan///M3: SSII DCT, Comp Pkg, Prem Pkg 2, Conv Pkg, Heated Seats, Enhanced Premium Sound, Black Kidney Grilles, BMW M Performance Steering Wheel, BMW Carbon Fiber Performance Spoiler, BMW Aluminum Pedals, Dinan Exhaust, Dinan X-Pipe, Dinan Carbon Fiber Intake, Dinan Software Tune, Dinan Pulley Kit, Dinan CH-R Wheels, Dinan Carbon Fiber Strut Tower Braces, Arkym Lip, Carbon Reflectors, Lux H8 V3, Brembo 365mm BBK

07-12-2012, 07:59 AM	#48
bigjae1976 Brigadier General Drives: 04 330Ci, 11 E90 M3 Individual Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 4,046 iTrader: (8)	Its pretty much the same going CCW. The only tricky part is the Diamond's edge. There's a kink to the right. At first you'll want to slow down on the straight and work your way up to a brush of the brakes. For the sweeper (T9), beginners should late apex. More advanced drivers can kind of creep in from the left edge with a light brush of the brakes. There's camber on the inner half of the track. Then you need to get on the brakes hard into the bus stop. Gut check is flat out then brake hard into T16. You can run really wide past the rumble strips to scrub off more speed if you want to be safe. Be sure to late apex T17. If you early apex, don't lift. Don't be a hero, just go off the track if you go into a spin. The car will shoot towards the inside of the track...unless you initiate a tank slapper...then who knows. The only way you'll hit the wall is if you: a) drive straight into it b) are being a total jackass c) try and save it, oscillate down the track __________________ Last edited by bigjae1976; 07-12-2012 at 01:05 PM.

07-12-2012, 08:04 AM	#49
bigjae1976 Brigadier General Drives: 04 330Ci, 11 E90 M3 Individual Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 4,046 iTrader: (8)	__________________

07-12-2012, 09:56 AM	#50
JC919 Lieutenant Colonel Drives: 08 e92 M3 6MT Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Houston & Lake Travis, TX Posts: 1,755 iTrader: (0)	Is there room for me to include a plus one? He'd be bringing a 650i and he's run MSR in a Risi 430 GT2 car before. I just wanted to check before I extend the invite. __________________ 2008 AW/Blk 6MT, Akrapovic Evolution, Evosport Pulley, ESS Tune, Dinan Camber Plates, H&R Springs, Braille LWB, Other Track Goodies, TRMotorsport MT1 18s w/Michelin PSS and Hoosier R6

07-12-2012, 04:11 PM	#53
bigjae1976 Brigadier General Drives: 04 330Ci, 11 E90 M3 Individual Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 4,046 iTrader: (8)	Not sure. Going CW, you'd think your outer left tire would get worn more but...with the conti slicks...I always corded the right tire first. I think the carousel was doing them in. __________________

07-12-2012, 02:51 PM	#52
TXmtrhed Private First Class Drives: VO 1M Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Katy, TX Posts: 183 iTrader: (0)	Any opinions on if running CCW is harder on right side or left side tires? I’ve been running CW @ TWS the last couple of events and that has worn the tread blocks to the point that if I was running CW there again I would flip the tires on the wheels. Running MSRH CCW has us going through the Carousel and Gut Check with a lot of load on the left with only the Sweeper and 16-17 being the faster left hand turns. So which side will get more wear?

07-12-2012, 04:50 PM	#54
///M Ryder Grown Azz Man Drives: 2011.5 Dinan ///M3 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Houston Posts: 1,989 iTrader: (3)	I'm thinking the wear is fairly even because MSR isn't all right hand or all left hand. I would say keep an eye on the tire pressure......especially in this heat. I usually run 32psi cold and have had good results. That's on PS2'2 and R-S3's..............Phil __________________ 2011.5 E92 Dinan///M3: SSII DCT, Comp Pkg, Prem Pkg 2, Conv Pkg, Heated Seats, Enhanced Premium Sound, Black Kidney Grilles, BMW M Performance Steering Wheel, BMW Carbon Fiber Performance Spoiler, BMW Aluminum Pedals, Dinan Exhaust, Dinan X-Pipe, Dinan Carbon Fiber Intake, Dinan Software Tune, Dinan Pulley Kit, Dinan CH-R Wheels, Dinan Carbon Fiber Strut Tower Braces, Arkym Lip, Carbon Reflectors, Lux H8 V3, Brembo 365mm BBK

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