Head 2 Head Episode: BMW E30 M3 vs Mercedes-Benz 190E

Jason · 07-11-2012, 01:20 PM

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Head 2 Head Episode: BMW E30 M3 vs Mercedes-Benz 190E

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On this episode of Head 2 Head, Automobile Magazine's Jason Cammisa rekindles a classic European sports sedan battle, pitting the legendary BMW E30 M3 against it's Cosworth-powered rival, the Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16. Find out which homologation special is the most special of all!

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SaMaster14 · 07-11-2012, 01:33 PM

I was just about to post this.

great video!

AllydNYC · 07-11-2012, 06:10 PM

Help me understand the M3's history... I thought the e30 M3 was made because in order to be in rallys the car needed to be a production car as opposed to what the host said "BMW only made the M3 because of the 190E". Maybe I'm getting this confused with the M1.

BMWPower06 · 07-11-2012, 06:16 PM

Obvious bias towards the Mercedes was evident throughout the entire "review". Wasn't surprised at the end when he said he bought the 190E.

The E30 M3 was/is obviously the better car, there is a reason that to this day everyone and their mother remembers/desires the E30 M3 and not the 190E

debdoub · 07-11-2012, 06:16 PM

2 beautiful cars

jon328i · 07-11-2012, 06:17 PM

Classic!

ZMM_OMG · 07-11-2012, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BMWPower06

Obvious bias towards the Mercedes was evident throughout the entire "review". Wasn't surprised at the end when he said he bought the 190E.

The E30 M3 was/is obviously the better car, there is a reason that to this day everyone and their mother remembers/desires the E30 M3 and not the 190E

I know Jason personally. If he thought the Bimmer was a better car, he definitely would have said so. Your mileage may vary. There's something to be said for somebody willing to enter a comparison with an open mind and choose a different path then "everyone and their mother".

Diver · 07-11-2012, 06:33 PM

Looks like a trip in the time machine, so cool.

breljohn · 07-11-2012, 07:07 PM

I just love the E30. I don't really care about which one is the cooler...

Remonster · 07-11-2012, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BMWPower06

Obvious bias towards the Mercedes was evident throughout the entire "review". Wasn't surprised at the end when he said he bought the 190E.

The E30 M3 was/is obviously the better car, there is a reason that to this day everyone and their mother remembers/desires the E30 M3 and not the 190E

It sounds like he said it will be in his driveway "next to his E30" so it doesn't seem like he's too biased towards one over the other, and he said the Benz's shifter feels awful while the E30's was "from the Gods."

I used to have a BMW 4 banger (okay...it was a 318is so it wasn't really in the same league

) but I can definitely see what he means about the Bimmer's engine being rough and annoying to live with. I loved driving my E36 through the twisties exactly as much as I hated driving it in daily conditions, that's probably why I spent almost 100% of my time in that car at full throttle.

One more thing, you say everyone and their mother desires the E30 M3 but that may be because you spend a lot of time on BMW forums and stuff, I know a lot of Benz guys who are just as deeply in love with their 190E. I actually used to have a sort-of similar car to that, to: a 300E 2.6 in that same color combo, the powertrain in mine was gas mileage oriented (kind of like a 528e) but those old 190E and 300Es were excellent cars. If some dumb bitch hadn't ruined mine I would probably still have it to this day (at over 250,000 miles!).

Itgb · 07-11-2012, 08:19 PM

As a former 190E 16V owner, I have to agree with the host. For the money, the 16V is the better car. That's why I bought one.

90% of the performance, better build quality, more luxurious, and less than half the price of the M3. E30 M3 prices are absurd. If you want to go to the track, of course the M3 is faster. Otherwise, the 190E is awesome.

Onurleft · 07-11-2012, 08:33 PM

I agree. Unfortunately I think his review on the "action" side was pretty weak.

Give us some Chris Harris slides and some more action. Take us back 30 years on the autobahn or something while your there please!!! Boring.

LeifW · 07-11-2012, 08:42 PM

I really enjoyed that video. Those are two of my all time favorite cars. Thanks for sharing.

Leif W.

and 1 · 07-11-2012, 08:51 PM

great video! he says the benz is cooler, but look what he said he bought. idk if he's actually serious or not, but if he is...actions speak louder than words

FML is it next friday yet? my S14 has been out of commission since early may, and the final parts are due in any day now. so close, and yet so far

noro · 07-11-2012, 09:01 PM

yeah whatever... I doubt anyone would be looking at an E190 when I pass by in this.

Verbatim · 07-11-2012, 09:12 PM

the benz would be a lot cooler with nice wheels like the e30!

宝马.e90 · 07-11-2012, 09:14 PM

+1 if you were smiling the whole time the E30 was on screen.

That thing just looks friggin amazing even after all these years. The front fascia = perfection.

E30 325 was the first BMW I've ever sat in way back when I was a kid so I have a greater appreciation for this machine.

AbuArije5 · 07-11-2012, 09:46 PM

Mercedes 190 evolution 2 wins I will take that over any BMW ever made that's my favorite Mercedes ever but just to hard to find and too expensive

AbuArije5 · 07-11-2012, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BMWPower06

Obvious bias towards the Mercedes was evident throughout the entire "review". Wasn't surprised at the end when he said he bought the 190E.

The E30 M3 was/is obviously the better car, there is a reason that to this day everyone and their mother remembers/desires the E30 M3 and not the 190E

What you stated is truly an opinion. Everyone on this forum remembers e30 because it's an BMW forum but I remember the 190e being just a good as the e30. And other forums brings up the 190 just as much as the e30 so some of the stuff you stated wasn't obvious

LeifW · 07-11-2012, 10:03 PM

A shame they didn't have a Sport Evo version of the Benz for the comparison. That would've been interesting.

Leif W.

misterbeemer · 07-11-2012, 10:04 PM

If you guys can make your cars sound like that and also look like that, you have a winner! The E30 M3 was the car that made me fall in love with BMWs. Clean lines, a look that never ages, a great engine and a great shifter. I love those headlights and grille and just about everything WAY more than the E92 and definitely more than the F30. After the E46 M3, it sort of went downhill...

cme · 07-11-2012, 10:22 PM

Here's mine.

07-11-2012, 01:33 PM	#2
SaMaster14 Major Drives: 2012 BMW E92 335iS Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,031 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2012 BMW 335iS [3.94]	I was just about to post this. great video! __________________ ~2012 BMW 335iS coupe MINERAL WHITE/CORAL RED http://instagram.com/samaster14/

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AllydNYC Loading... Drives: 08' 328xi Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: invalid_value Posts: 2,177 iTrader: (15) Garage List 2008 328xi [5.00]	Help me understand the M3's history... I thought the e30 M3 was made because in order to be in rallys the car needed to be a production car as opposed to what the host said "BMW only made the M3 because of the 190E". Maybe I'm getting this confused with the M1. __________________ BBS CH w/PSS\|H&R Coilovers\|Front Strut Bar\|CF CSL Trunk\|Front Splitters\|LCI Halogens\|LUX 5.1\|Blacklines\|Black Grill\|CF/White roundels "A Associate or Bachelors degree is America's most over rated product"

07-11-2012, 06:16 PM	#4
BMWPower06 A^M=G is nothing w/o the Power of ///M Drives: ///M5 & ///M3 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: VA --> LA Posts: 1,748 iTrader: (0)	Obvious bias towards the Mercedes was evident throughout the entire "review". Wasn't surprised at the end when he said he bought the 190E. The E30 M3 was/is obviously the better car, there is a reason that to this day everyone and their mother remembers/desires the E30 M3 and not the 190E __________________ Indianapolis Red BMW ///M5

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Diver Colonel Drives: Black '12 135i DCT PPK Msport Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 2,030 iTrader: (0)	Looks like a trip in the time machine, so cool. __________________ See my photography at http://ronscubadiver.wordpress.com

07-11-2012, 08:19 PM	#11
Itgb Private First Class Drives: 2003 M3 Vert Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: San Diego Posts: 171 iTrader: (1)	As a former 190E 16V owner, I have to agree with the host. For the money, the 16V is the better car. That's why I bought one. 90% of the performance, better build quality, more luxurious, and less than half the price of the M3. E30 M3 prices are absurd. If you want to go to the track, of course the M3 is faster. Otherwise, the 190E is awesome. __________________ 2003 BMW M3 Vert AW/CIN \| 2006 Scion xB \|2005 Volvo S60 2.5T \| Past: 1986 MB 190E 2.3-16

07-11-2012, 06:16 PM	#5
debdoub Private Drives: M5 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: California Posts: 72 iTrader: (0)	2 beautiful cars

07-11-2012, 06:17 PM	#6
jon328i Wheelmaster Drives: E90 6MT Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 440 iTrader: (7)	Classic!

07-11-2012, 07:07 PM	#9
breljohn New Member Drives: Frozen Silver Edition E92 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 28 iTrader: (0)	I just love the E30. I don't really care about which one is the cooler...

07-11-2012, 08:33 PM	#12
Onurleft Captain Drives: RPM Join Date: May 2010 Location: Baton Rouge and Atlanta Posts: 768 iTrader: (0)	I agree. Unfortunately I think his review on the "action" side was pretty weak. Give us some Chris Harris slides and some more action. Take us back 30 years on the autobahn or something while your there please!!! Boring. __________________ Youtube: 95CSL

07-11-2012, 08:42 PM	#13
LeifW Lieutenant Drives: 1M AW Join Date: May 2007 Location: CT, USA Posts: 585 iTrader: (0)	I really enjoyed that video. Those are two of my all time favorite cars. Thanks for sharing. Leif W.

07-11-2012, 08:51 PM	#14
and 1 winter mode Drives: 08 135i, 88 M3 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Somerville, MA Posts: 2,058 iTrader: (0) Garage List 1988 BMW M3 [0.00] 2008 135i [3.75]	great video! he says the benz is cooler, but look what he said he bought. idk if he's actually serious or not, but if he is...actions speak louder than words FML is it next friday yet? my S14 has been out of commission since early may, and the final parts are due in any day now. so close, and yet so far __________________ 88 M3: BMWCCA J Sport 08 135: because streetcar

07-11-2012, 09:01 PM	#15
noro Colonel Drives: E30 M3 / E46 ZHP Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Boston Posts: 2,601 iTrader: (0)	yeah whatever... I doubt anyone would be looking at an E190 when I pass by in this. __________________ zhpregistry.net - ZHP stats and free classifieds.

07-11-2012, 09:12 PM	#16
Verbatim Colonel Drives: 2008 335i Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Santa Clarita Posts: 2,554 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 BMW 335i [5.00]	the benz would be a lot cooler with nice wheels like the e30! __________________ 2008 BMW 335i Sedan \| Sparkling Graphite \| Sport \| Premium \| Navigation \| Comfort Access \| Logic7 Golf Tee \| M3 Trunk Spoiler \| LED Angel Eyes \| 5000k Fogs \| Resonator Delete \| Black Kidney Grills \| Black Finisher Rods \| 35%/18% Tint \| Sealer Lip \| 12mm/20mm (F/R) Spacers \| White Wheels \| Black Lines

07-11-2012, 09:14 PM	#17
宝马.e90 Major Drives: E90 325i, R56 MINI Cooper Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 1,258 iTrader: (0)	+1 if you were smiling the whole time the E30 was on screen. That thing just looks friggin amazing even after all these years. The front fascia = perfection. E30 325 was the first BMW I've ever sat in way back when I was a kid so I have a greater appreciation for this machine.

07-11-2012, 09:46 PM	#18
AbuArije5 Second Lieutenant Drives: Non Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: New York Posts: 252 iTrader: (0)	Mercedes 190 evolution 2 wins I will take that over any BMW ever made that's my favorite Mercedes ever but just to hard to find and too expensive

07-11-2012, 10:03 PM	#20
LeifW Lieutenant Drives: 1M AW Join Date: May 2007 Location: CT, USA Posts: 585 iTrader: (0)	A shame they didn't have a Sport Evo version of the Benz for the comparison. That would've been interesting. Leif W.

07-11-2012, 10:04 PM	#21
misterbeemer Private First Class Drives: E92, E46 M3, E39 M5, 760Li Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: USA Posts: 132 iTrader: (0)	If you guys can make your cars sound like that and also look like that, you have a winner! The E30 M3 was the car that made me fall in love with BMWs. Clean lines, a look that never ages, a great engine and a great shifter. I love those headlights and grille and just about everything WAY more than the E92 and definitely more than the F30. After the E46 M3, it sort of went downhill...

07-11-2012, 10:22 PM	#22
cme New Member Drives: 1990 BMW M3 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NY Posts: 13 iTrader: (0)	Here's mine. Attached Images

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