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      07-06-2012, 03:05 PM   #1
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M3 to 1m? Never looked back?

Always had a thing for the 1m but when I was told by my dealer that they would add 13-15k over the sticker price, the m3 looked even better. Plus the fact that ever since I was 12, I've had a passion for the m3. Was just wondering if anyone ever made this switch? Curious to hear why!
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Which insane dealer in NJ told you that?
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i believe powerbeast went from a e93 m3 to a 1m... hope he chimes in soon!
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Hackensack, manhattan. All told me that first off, it would take months to find one. Second, it would be like paying for a fully loaded m3... So I went with the m3 loved the look of the e46 so maybe that's why I was drawn to the 1m but I love my m3
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      07-06-2012, 04:25 PM   #5
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Why would you make the switch from a real M car to a not so real M car?

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Because they think light weight prevails.. So the 1m must be better.
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i dont ever plan on making a switch. I would've went with it first if it was available but theres no going back now
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i believe powerbeast went from a e93 m3 to a 1m... hope he chimes in soon!
And now going back to an M3, supercharged.
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And now going back to an M3, supercharged.
haha yea... hes ballin outta control...
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calling Capt. Kirk...

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i believe powerbeast went from a e93 m3 to a 1m... hope he chimes in soon!
Didn't last long. He's back to an e9X last i saw
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So what exactly do we need another member to chime in about?
  • That the 1M is far from aesthetically appealling
  • That it has an N54..prone to all the woes of the n54 motor
  • That it is ridculously over-priced and caters to brand loyalist who swallow anything BMW marketing feeds them..
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      07-06-2012, 06:33 PM   #13
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Why would you make the switch from a real M car to a not so real M car?

Or better put...one that looks better for one that looks like a matchbox car...
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So what exactly do we need another member to chime in about?
  • That the 1M is far from aesthetically appealling
  • That it has an N54..prone to all the woes of the n54 motor
  • That it is ridculously over-priced and caters to brand loyalist who swallow anything BMW marketing feeds them..
Sounds like you've never driven one before.
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I saw my first 1M in the flesh in white and I was very impressed by the way it looked. Beautiful car and from what I saw on Top Gear US its almost as quick as the M3. That said, it is way overpriced in the market today.

Two on ebay, 59k and 75k. Yikes
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      07-07-2012, 09:05 AM   #16
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I stepped up, and note I say up as I firmly believe that it was a step up from an e60 M5 to an e92 M3 6mt in the pursuit of handling and just all around fun, however I am in no way willing to go to a 1M. Its just too small and any ounce of practicality has further been removed.
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      07-07-2012, 09:40 AM   #17
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The 1M is a limited production car, so it's value will hold up. They've been dynoing around 330wHP- yes, that's at the wheel. I've seen them tracked hard in 110 degree heat without problems and it has all M3 suspension components. It's an impressive car, but not a true //M. Unfortunately, it gives insight into the future of //M cars.
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The 1M is a limited production car, so it's value will hold up. They've been dynoing around 330wHP- yes, that's at the wheel. I've seen them tracked hard in 110 degree heat without problems and it has all M3 suspension components. It's an impressive car, but not a true //M. Unfortunately, it gives insight into the future of //M cars.
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Wow, not even going to really try with this group, you've all obviously driven one (more then just around the corner) and know exactly what your talking about, good stuff! (If your sarcasm meter is going crazy then its working.)

Anyway, what I can tell you about it which is interesting is the types of people I see driving at the local track. About half the owners of 1M's in our city track it, at a normal track day event I might see one M3 (E9x) and I'm sure there are hundreds of M3's in our city.

If you want a GT car go for the M3, I wanted a track car so I was looking at the Cayman S or 1M.
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The 1M still needs modification to keep oil temps in check on the track..n54 runs HOT..i had a FBO tuned n54 I know.
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Wow, not even going to really try with this group, you've all obviously driven one (more then just around the corner) and know exactly what your talking about, good stuff! (If your sarcasm meter is going crazy then its working.)

Anyway, what I can tell you about it which is interesting is the types of people I see driving at the local track. About half the owners of 1M's in our city track it, at a normal track day event I might see one M3 (E9x) and I'm sure there are hundreds of M3's in our city.

If you want a GT car go for the M3, I wanted a track car so I was looking at the Cayman S or 1M.
The 1M is a good track car but so is the M3 and a better car, IMO, on decent sized tracks (like Calabogie by you as an example). Also, you can never get away from the turbo and the issues that creates on the track. I have been much more impressed with the 1M than I expected to be but you shouldn't make it sound as though the 1M is a "better" track car because it isn't. The M3 might be a bit heavier but the engine is better sorted for the track with a decent driver IMO. I'm not disputing that the 1M is a great car but the M3 is much more than a GT car and is very well suited for the track... my bet is the 1M could not keep up with the M3 on most tracks.

P.S. The fact that you see less M3s at your track isn't indicative of anything. At the track I frequent, there are tons of E92 M3s there. Last Wednesday there were 3 out of 12 cars (and 4 of the other cars were older M3s).
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Wow, not even going to really try with this group, you've all obviously driven one (more then just around the corner) and know exactly what your talking about, good stuff! (If your sarcasm meter is going crazy then its working.)

Anyway, what I can tell you about it which is interesting is the types of people I see driving at the local track. About half the owners of 1M's in our city track it, at a normal track day event I might see one M3 (E9x) and I'm sure there are hundreds of M3's in our city.

If you want a GT car go for the M3, I wanted a track car so I was looking at the Cayman S or 1M.
There might be some validity to your point about more 1M owners tracking their car than M3 owners as a percentage but here's my take on it. The first time I went to VIR, there were about 3-4 1M's but there were still a hell of a lot more e92/e90 M3's. This was a BMWCCA event so all the BMW fanboys showed up. None of the 1M's were very fast except for one that had significant work done to it and was owned by an instructor. The rest of them, including a VO 1M driven by an instructor was getting in my way. The second time I went to VIR was with Trackdaze and guess what? Not a single 1M showed up but there were plenty of M3's. This support the theory that the 1M is a car marketed by BMW to the hardcore BMW fanbois as stated by other posts in the forum.

Based on my observations, the 1M is not a better track car than the M3. The fact that I was a first time newbie at VIR and was able to smoke every 1M that ran in my sessions validate what the magazines and you guy's favorite person, Randy Pobst have written about the shorter wheelbase 1M. The argument to own the 1M is pretty lame, mostly to do with the collectability because of how rare they are. My personal take on it is that it is just another ugly 1 series with a lot of M3 parts thrown into it but it's missing heart. Heart being a ///M engine. Would I say that to a 1M owner at a HPDE? Of course not, because at the end of the day we are all car enthusiasts but a lot of your M3 brothers are thinking the same thing.

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Second HPDE, second weekend on VIR running in the intermediate solo group. Popped my Contis and had to borrow Han's worn out PS2's but still managed 2:17 laps.


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