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      06-27-2012, 10:47 AM   #1
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OS Giken LSD

Has anyone replaced their OEM LSD with an OS Giken clutch type LSD? If so did you dyno?
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i believe ive seen one person do it, but i dont think he ever dyno'd after!
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i believe ive seen one person do it, but i dont think he ever dyno'd after!
I'm curious about the torque curve with the OS Giken.
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OSG is top notch..had got one for my 335i but wrecked the car before installing..they do make one specific for e9x M3..
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Not sure how a LSD would change anything in regards to torque or power.
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      06-27-2012, 11:10 AM   #6
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Not sure how a LSD would change anything in regards to torque or power.
I'm not sure either, but got this off their website: "The OS Giken Traction Control LSDs are much like other clutch type LSDs in that they offer the quick, positive response that some drivers prefer vs. a gear based or torque biasing differential..."
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I'm not sure either, but got this off their website: "The OS Giken Traction Control LSDs are much like other clutch type LSDs in that they offer the quick, positive response that some drivers prefer vs. a gear based or torque biasing differential..."
That just refers to the way the locking mechanism works in controlling the disks. Has nothing to do with power output on the vehicle.
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Not sure how a LSD would change anything in regards to torque or power.
Apparently torque to the wheels can be improved. I admit that despite reading a bit about this, I do not completely understand it. Perhaps one of our experts can chime in. Straight from Dinan's site (Dinan's 3.45 differential for DCT M3's):

Dinan lowers the stock 3.15 final drive ratio to a 3.45, taking full advantage of torque multiplication for a substantial 9.5% increase in torque delivered to the road! The improved acceleration comes with only a minor increase in engine speed at cruise.
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Apparently torque to the wheels can be improved. I admit that despite reading a bit about this, I do not completely understand it. Perhaps one of our experts can chime in. Straight from Dinan's site (Dinan's 3.45 differential for DCT M3's):

Dinan lowers the stock 3.15 final drive ratio to a 3.45, taking full advantage of torque multiplication for a substantial 9.5% increase in torque delivered to the road! The improved acceleration comes with only a minor increase in engine speed at cruise.
Yeah but they are changing gears. Changing an LSD has nothing to do with the gear ratio.
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Apparently torque to the wheels can be improved. I admit that despite reading a bit about this, I do not completely understand it. Perhaps one of our experts can chime in. Straight from Dinan's site (Dinan's 3.45 differential for DCT M3's):

Dinan lowers the stock 3.15 final drive ratio to a 3.45, taking full advantage of torque multiplication for a substantial 9.5% increase in torque delivered to the road! The improved acceleration comes with only a minor increase in engine speed at cruise.
Thats torque to the road in the same gear. The dyno would read the same because tq is calculated for the engine. All dynos will calculate it based on gear ratios. Else youll get different numbers depending on which gear you dyno at.
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Yeah but they are changing gears. Changing an LSD has nothing to do with the gear ratio.
Agree - However, the OS Giken LSD is mechanically different than the OEM gear-based LSD. That's why I was wondering whether the torque curve would be different. I certainly wouldn't expect any increase in peak torque, but maybe a peak shift in the curve to lower RPMs...or not
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Yeah but they are changing gears. Changing an LSD has nothing to do with the gear ratio.
Yeah, I just saw the OS Giken site and realize that now. My mistake.
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Agree - However, the OS Giken LSD is mechanically different than the OEM gear-based LSD. That's why I was wondering whether the torque curve would be different. I certainly wouldn't expect any increase in peak torque, but maybe a peak shift in the curve to lower RPMs...or not
Yes, it is different. But we are talking about the way in which the LSD locks up which has nothing to do with changing torque or power curves.
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Not sure how a LSD would change anything in regards to torque or power.
The OSG offers 100% full lock up as opposed to gear type LSD (Quaife, Wavetrac)..honestly I think the M3 diff does as well..because it too is a clutch type differential.. but the theory is more torque to the wheels less on drivetrain loss.

Unless you are spending life on the track this is a very expensive upgrade..and most will be okay w the stock LSD

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Yeah but they are changing gears. Changing an LSD has nothing to do with the gear ratio.
Correct..but most do go with more aggresive gearing in conjuction with LSD..
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Agree - However, the OS Giken LSD is mechanically different than the OEM gear-based LSD. That's why I was wondering whether the torque curve would be different. I certainly wouldn't expect any increase in peak torque, but maybe a peak shift in the curve to lower RPMs...or not
The M3 stock LSD is NOT a gear type LSD..its a clutch type just like the OSG
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Correct..but most do go with more aggresive gearing in conjuction with LSD..
But they are mutually exclusive and the OP is asking about the LSD. LSD does not change torque/power curves. If we wanna start talking about gears, then that's a completely different subject.
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But they are mutually exclusive and the OP is asking about the LSD. LSD does not change torque/power curves. If we wanna start talking about gears, then that's a completely different subject.
Absoluetly right.
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The M3 stock LSD is NOT a gear type LSD..its a clutch type just like the OSG
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Take it from me..stick with the stocker..its a great unit (if we had open diffs like on the 335i then yea)..doing LSD swaps is ever so tricky..we are talking about microns of tolerances..your installer has to be spot on..and the OSG make noises..you have to use OSG's gear oil..which is a very heavy weight oil... 80W-250
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Unless you are spending life on the track this is a very expensive upgrade..and most will be okay w the stock LSD
Agreed 100%. Complete waste of money otherwise.
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Take it from me..stick with the stocker..its a great unit (if we had open diffs like on the 335i then yea)..doing LSD swaps is ever so tricky..we are talking about microns of tolerances..your installer has to be spot on..and the OSG make noises..you have to use OSG's gear oil..which is a very heavy weight oil... 80W-250
It was more out of curiosity - I'm actually considering a swap to the Dinan 3.45 unit, but I came across the OSG while researching...
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The only way the diff would make the car more powerful is if the differential offered less friction in its rotational assembly. Basically how much applied force does it take to turn the gears. The engine would still be the same but the drivetrain loss percentage would be less, so you would get more power to the ground.

The Dinan diff would be ok for a NA car, but would probly be too short for a supercharged car. Your also gonna be cruising a few 100 more RPMs on the freeway also. If its worth it is up to your own application and use.
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