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      06-19-2012, 02:24 PM   #23
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BMW themselves said that if they made a supercar that it would compete with Ferrari and Lamborghini not Audi and Mercedes. So the price seems about right for that.
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      06-19-2012, 02:56 PM   #24
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@ $250 000 euros... its not an R8 Competitor AT ALL.
That's what I'm saying, for a quarter mil it had better destroy an R8 and at that price should be competitive with Turbo S and Godzilla / Italian stuff.
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      06-19-2012, 03:15 PM   #25
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It would be great to see vs Audi Benz and Lexus. m10 already sounds goooooooood
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My hopes are there will be an optional V10 just like the Audi R8. BMW could make some great stuff they just to put their best effort into this one and make it truly exotic
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      06-19-2012, 04:23 PM   #27
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My hopes are there will be an optional V10 just like the Audi R8. BMW could make some great stuff they just to put their best effort into this one and make it truly exotic
Or they could just shove the v10 in and forget the v8!
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      06-19-2012, 04:43 PM   #28
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My hopes are there will be an optional V10 just like the Audi R8. BMW could make some great stuff they just to put their best effort into this one and make it truly exotic
Or they could just shove the v10 in and forget the v8!
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But in all reality I would be surprised if BMW came out with a supercar let a lone one with a V10.
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      06-19-2012, 06:11 PM   #29
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I really hope this is true!!! Price may be a bit out my range, but I still think this would be good for the BMW brand.
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      06-19-2012, 06:34 PM   #32
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This is the 638276th time this has been rumored and frankly its just starting to sound like a broken record...

attention (Achtung!) BMW headquarters: your too late in the game. Instead of coming out with special colored M3's and M5's, IS models, blue brakes with M stickers on them and the sort, you should have had a special/super car years ago! Mercedes has the SLS, and is already in the works with the black series model and special electric version along with the SLS-cabrio last fall, and before anyone starts throwing out "weight", "numbers", "naturally aspirated" its all blah blah blah and doest matter cause your not buying it, people are buying it cause its special.
Audi has already produced SIX different variants of the beautiful R8!!! SIX!!!!! and BMW is still trying to get a super car out the door!!!???... I got a tiny violin id like to ship to germany to see if they'll play it in thier boardroom.
sorry for the rant.
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While others can live off their sport cars' profit, BMW doesn't think they can.
It seems like BMW is not confident on making a true competitive sports cars at all.
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      06-19-2012, 11:55 PM   #34
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If mclarin's mpc40-12 whatever the hell it's called car couldn't beat the 458 I seriously doubt BMW will be able to compete
The MP4-12c beats the 458 in everything but driver satisfaction. Many reviews the world over have confirmed this.
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      06-20-2012, 12:10 AM   #35
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I hope it is a Mid engine lay out and the weight is below 2900 lbs.
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Or they could just shove the v10 in and forget the v8!
Forget both of those. I say drop in a V12
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      06-20-2012, 12:50 AM   #37
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SO Tired of the perceived " potential sales cannabilization" comment from BMW GROUP.


amazing how they made an e36 m3/4 then were afraid of it eroding sales of the M5, a car 20,000 more expensive. This led them to skip making an e46m3 4, and Finally got their head out of their butts and made an e90 sedan.

once again, we are now to believe that bmw thinks that a hybrid will take away sales from a true sports car? Seriously?

How did they ever get the 6 series gran coupe idea out to production, what with that other 4 door vehicle, the 5 selling alongside?
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      06-20-2012, 01:50 AM   #38
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I'll believe it when I see it...
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      06-20-2012, 08:02 AM   #39
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WELL said..... we will not see a halo type car because EXPANSION for expansions sake is more important at the moment to a car company following in hte footsteps of Toyota, believe me, I love this companies products but unfettered expansion is ultimately demise. Be careful my beloved BMW... dominating every segment can have consequences.

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SO Tired of the perceived " potential sales cannabilization" comment from BMW GROUP.


amazing how they made an e36 m3/4 then were afraid of it eroding sales of the M5, a car 20,000 more expensive. This led them to skip making an e46m3 4, and Finally got their head out of their butts and made an e90 sedan.

once again, we are now to believe that bmw thinks that a hybrid will take away sales from a true sports car? Seriously?

How did they ever get the 6 series gran coupe idea out to production, what with that other 4 door vehicle, the 5 selling alongside?
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I'd prefere BMW to build a sort of much better GT86/BRZ rival, 2 seats, FMR layout, 1000 kg and 300 PS than a overpowered overpriced supercar. There are already so many supercars anyway. Till now there is still not better type of sportscar than a 911/Cayman. Aston Martin wanted to rival it with the Vantage, but it failed because of its high weight, the next 911 rivals, in those I have high hopes, are the Mercedes SLC AMG, the McLaren P13 and the Maserati GranSport. Anything above is just too much, for me at least.
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I'd prefere BMW to build a sort of much better GT86/BRZ rival, 2 seats, FMR layout, 1000 kg and 300 PS than a overpowered overpriced supercar. There are already so many supercars anyway. Till now there is still not better type of sportscar than a 911/Cayman. Aston Martin wanted to rival it with the Vantage, but it failed because of its high weight, the next 911 rivals, in those I have high hopes, are the Mercedes SLC AMG, the McLaren P13 and the Maserati GranSport. Anything above is just too much, for me at least.
I agree that would be pretty cool to see. And would sell tremendously well imo
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The MP4-12c beats the 458 in everything but driver satisfaction. Many reviews the world over have confirmed this.
I think you might be a bit biased
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Once again the ignorance outstands me.

Super Sports cars do not make money the investment is high and the returns are minimal. What seems to be forgotten is BMW's overall goal which is Independence. Independence is what BMW want to maintain and to prolong its independence sustainability product is far more important for BMW than excessive vanity product.

When you question that Audi and Mercedes-Benz can make Sports cars but BMW cannot, Audi can make the R8 because underneath the R8 is extensively the Lamborghini Gallardo. Mercedes-Benz went ahead with the SLS AMG before the economic crisis had they started during you would not see that car today, Mercedes-Benz's profit margin on the SLS AMG is razor thin again thanks to development costs , with additional variants they will start to recooperate the costs.

BMW's sports car project currently lies with the revolutionary i8.
As BMW say the car is the most progressive sports car which is born to be something different , unique and highly individual.
People say the i8 is a competitor to the R8 or the SLS AMG when in truth there is no competition to the i8.
The i8 is all about innovation , precision and creativity something each BMW excells over its competitors.

To make statements that BMW is the next GM is way off the mark. From my own experience I was at the NAIAS in 2006 where BMW just launched the LCi Z4 but also brought along the 2005 IAA X3 Efficient Dynamics Concept. To which BMW announced the production ethos of the concept to forthcoming models to increase efficiency ahead of a changing legislation. GM launched a new Hummer - Who collapsed first?

BMW is not GM nor is it Toyota , BMW wishes to maintain its independence and new products , innovation and creativity is the key to achieving this.
BMW's product expansion whether in additional or new niche concepts are all ideas that will generate profit for BMW to maintain its overall goal and achieve sales of 2 Million units and of course prolong its independence.
Being independent means you dictate your own rules something that BMW , every BMW strives to deliver ahead of their competitors.
The much maligned FWD BMW's which are just on the horizon with the official strategy coming to the Paris Autoshow in Septemeber are developed in tandem with MINI and aim to increase the profitability whilst fulfilling a growing segment where such cars are in demand especially in important markets in Europe. FWD BMW's are the instrument for BMW's goals - combined MINI and BMW FWD will add around 600,000 units to BMW's global sales by 2020.

You only have to look at BMW's success to see where they are without the need for an expansive vanity project. Image can be good but for one model to stand out and the rest basking in the glory of it when they are "average"at least is not very truthful to the customer.
But BMW have not only the higher ground in product segments , they also have shown remarkable achievement in brand awareness , sustainability and of course BMW still remain the worlds no1 premium car maker in size.
Another example is BMW's relentless approach to increasing profitability.
Each BMW in this generation has a higher profit margin than the previous generation and that for BMW is a significant achievement.

Will BMW commit themselves to a supersports car in due time?
Of course they will, but for any conception the genetics of the BMWi investment must be allowed to flourish in order for BMW to produce a car which would be advantageous in cost effective material technology via the BMWi investment.
And when BMW are in full mass volume CFRP production you will then see BMW's advantage over its competitors.
Having BMW produce its own CFRP in house gives BMW flexibility in sharing CFRP not only with the M Division but also BMW and beginning with the next generation of BMW 7er, which with a lightweight exotic mix of aluminium , press-hardened steel and CFRP will allow BMW to significantly reduce the overall weight of the car.

BMW has always been described as "A Different kind of car company" and that statement still rings true.
Independence is important to BMW as is creativity and innovation.
Whilst the different kind of car company stood for other things in the past it now an effect of progress. Not only for BMW but the whole auto industry.
being different in products is one thing but today progress has dictated that sustainability , efficiency and technology are added to become the key factors within any new product by any manufacturer.

Welcome to the ever changing environment of the auto industry.
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