BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   M3Post - BMW M3 Forum > E90/E92 M3 Technical Topics > Wheels + Tires Sponsored by The Tire Rack
  TireRack

KEEP M3POST ALIVE BY DOING YOUR TIRERACK SHOPPING FROM THIS BANNER LINK!
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      04-29-2012, 12:54 PM   #507
Moxie
Lieutenant Colonel
Moxie's Avatar
Germany
25
Rep
1,860
Posts

 
Drives: AW 328d Touring/SG 335d
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Stuttgart

iTrader: (11)

SF 71
Appreciate 0
      04-29-2012, 01:03 PM   #508
naterater
BMW & Michelin Brand Ambassador
naterater's Avatar
0
Rep
70
Posts

 
Drives: 2002 E46 M3 Coupe
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: San Diego, CA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Moxie View Post
SF 71
I was torn between the CSL/CS-7's but when I saw these in person it was no contest. SF-71's look amazing!
Appreciate 0
      05-02-2012, 09:46 AM   #509
dspralph
Taiwan
dspralph's Avatar
United_States
2
Rep
123
Posts

 
Drives: 2011.5 'Reventon' E92 M3
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Troy, MI

iTrader: (1)

I got 20' wheel
what should I get?
265/30/20 Front
295/25/20 Rear ??
Appreciate 0
      05-02-2012, 11:00 AM   #510
kchu221
JDM whore
kchu221's Avatar
South Korea
44
Rep
3,021
Posts

 
Drives: 2009 Porsche 911 Turbo
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: los angeles

iTrader: (9)

Quote:
Originally Posted by dspralph View Post
I got 20' wheel
what should I get?
265/30/20 Front
295/25/20 Rear ??
id prolly stick with 295/30/20 in the raer, 25 will be too small...
Appreciate 0
      05-02-2012, 11:55 AM   #511
808MGuy
Colonel
808MGuy's Avatar
49
Rep
2,287
Posts

 
Drives: 2009 E90 M3
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Oahu, Hawaii

iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by kchu221 View Post
id prolly stick with 295/30/20 in the raer, 25 will be too small...
I doubt you could fit a 295/30/20. 285/30/20 is already 1/2" taller than OEM. 295/25/20 or 305/25/20 are common sizes for 20" wheels. The 305/25/20 would have to be a tire that does not have squared shoulders to fit on a lowered car.

The 265/30/20 in the front is the bigger issue. Again 255/30/20 is a common size and even that is tight on certain tires. 265/30/20 might be pushing it but I don't know if anyone has ever tried it. I'd like to know myself since I have the same dilemma.
__________________
09 E90 M3 - Interlagos Blue / Black Novillo / Sycamore Anthracite / Eibach / HRE

Appreciate 0
      05-09-2012, 10:22 AM   #512
richardbb85
Major
25
Rep
1,467
Posts

 
Drives: e92 m3
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: annandale, va

iTrader: (0)

this is driving me nuts

got the new PSS on my car for about a month or so, the tires just don't feel right....the ps2 were great, so i expected this to be better overall...

F 255/35/18, R 275/35/18 does this size look okay?
__________________
2011 E92 Space Grey/black + Tech + Premi + Heated Seats
Appreciate 0
      05-09-2012, 10:30 AM   #513
dmppdx
Second Lieutenant
2
Rep
227
Posts

 
Drives: 2011 E90 M3
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: PNW

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by richardbb85 View Post
this is driving me nuts

got the new PSS on my car for about a month or so, the tires just don't feel right....the ps2 were great, so i expected this to be better overall...

F 255/35/18, R 275/35/18 does this size look okay?
What about them doesn't feel right? Were the PS2's you had before the stock size?
Appreciate 0
      05-09-2012, 10:32 AM   #514
richardbb85
Major
25
Rep
1,467
Posts

 
Drives: e92 m3
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: annandale, va

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by dmppdx View Post
What about them doesn't feel right? Were the PS2's you had before the stock size?
when i had the ps2(stock 18), i was confident going fast thru corners/ramps cuz the car felt like it was glued to the ground....

with the PSS, i dont get that feeling at all!
__________________
2011 E92 Space Grey/black + Tech + Premi + Heated Seats
Appreciate 0
      05-09-2012, 10:38 AM   #515
Dave07997S
Colonel
37
Rep
2,555
Posts

 
Drives: 2013 BMW M3 ZCP Coupe
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Playa del Rey, CA

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by richardbb85 View Post
this is driving me nuts

got the new PSS on my car for about a month or so, the tires just don't feel right....the ps2 were great, so i expected this to be better overall...

F 255/35/18, R 275/35/18 does this size look okay?
It can take 500 or so miles for tires to come into their own as the release agent used to release them from the mold can permeate the rubber. Also, fresh rubber with all that tread will experience "tread wiggle". When a tire wears the tread starts to wear down decreasing tread wiggle increasing the tires turn in response and stability. There is a reason why racers shave tires down.

Dave
__________________
2013 M3 Coupe-MR/BLK ZCP, ACM test pipes, BPM Stg2 dev. tune and Megan catback, AFE Stg2. with C/F elbow
Previous rides: 2011 M3 Coupe-MR/Blk
2007 Porsche 997C2S Speed Yellow/Blk sport seats
2004 BMW M3 Imola/Blk
Appreciate 0
      05-09-2012, 10:40 AM   #516
quackman
Lieutenant
quackman's Avatar
United_States
5
Rep
428
Posts

 
Drives: '08 M3 6mt
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Hempstead, NY

iTrader: (0)

Send a message via AIM to quackman
How many miles have you put on them so far? It might take a while for the tires' grip to come to its optimum point.
I've had my new PSS on my car for about a month now and they feel great! Though I haven't been driving very aggressively too often yet since putting them on.
__________________
2008 Sparkling Graphite e90 M3 6spd
Appreciate 0
      05-09-2012, 10:41 AM   #517
CanAutM3
Brigadier General
CanAutM3's Avatar
Canada
67
Rep
4,333
Posts

 
Drives: 2015 M4 DCT
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Montreal

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2015 BMW M4  [4.75]
2006 Audi S4  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by richardbb85 View Post
when i had the ps2(stock 18), i was confident going fast thru corners/ramps cuz the car felt like it was glued to the ground....

with the PSS, i dont get that feeling at all!
I am running the same size as you and absolutely love the PSS over the PS2.

How many miles so far? They do need a few hundred miles to wear off the mold compound.

Moving from used tires to new tires can also have an effect, as the car is a bit more squirely on the taller thread blocks.
Appreciate 0
      05-09-2012, 10:49 AM   #518
richardbb85
Major
25
Rep
1,467
Posts

 
Drives: e92 m3
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: annandale, va

iTrader: (0)

probably around 1500 miles already, very disappointed so far
__________________
2011 E92 Space Grey/black + Tech + Premi + Heated Seats
Appreciate 0
      05-09-2012, 11:40 AM   #519
dmppdx
Second Lieutenant
2
Rep
227
Posts

 
Drives: 2011 E90 M3
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: PNW

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by richardbb85 View Post
probably around 1500 miles already, very disappointed so far
So are they just lacking in traction, or more of a unstableness or squirmyness due to sidewall flex?
Appreciate 0
      05-09-2012, 11:43 AM   #520
Dodge2Dub
Captain
13
Rep
910
Posts

 
Drives: E90 M3; Ducati
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: San Diego, CA

iTrader: (6)

Honestly, I have been extremely happy with my set. Turn in is better, traction is better and they seem to be holding up to aggressive canyon driving. My set has been a marked improvement from my previous PS2's.

Richard, you may want to talk with Michelin or the store that you bought the tires from because you should feel an immediate difference after 500 - 1,000 miles.
__________________
E90 M3: Some cool stuff...more to come
Ducati 1199 Panigale: Bucket full of mods
Appreciate 0
      05-10-2012, 10:16 PM   #521
richardbb85
Major
25
Rep
1,467
Posts

 
Drives: e92 m3
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: annandale, va

iTrader: (0)

just had alignment done 2 days ago, and i noticed it's rubbing in the back....wtf

im dropped on eibach
__________________
2011 E92 Space Grey/black + Tech + Premi + Heated Seats
Appreciate 0
      05-11-2012, 07:45 AM   #522
Moxie
Lieutenant Colonel
Moxie's Avatar
Germany
25
Rep
1,860
Posts

 
Drives: AW 328d Touring/SG 335d
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Stuttgart

iTrader: (11)

Quote:
Originally Posted by richardbb85 View Post
just had alignment done 2 days ago, and i noticed it's rubbing in the back....wtf

im dropped on eibach
I have 265/35/18 & 285/35/18 on Eibachs & don't have an issue.

What wheels & offset?
Appreciate 0
      05-11-2012, 07:49 AM   #523
dnotorious
..
dnotorious's Avatar
Canada
3
Rep
200
Posts

 
Drives: 2008 BMW M3 Sedan 6MT
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Mississauga, ON

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Moxie View Post
I have 265/35/18 & 285/35/18 on Eibachs & don't have an issue.

What wheels & offset?
+1 No Rubbing
RD Sport Springs
19" 255/35 on 9.5 ET 22
19" 265/30 on 11.0 ET 20

Tires are off the hook.. Love em for my DD
__________________
E90 2008 BMW M3 - 6SPD - AW
E90 2007 BMW 335i - 6SPD - SG - Sold
Appreciate 0
      05-13-2012, 10:34 PM   #524
thai357sig
First Lieutenant
thai357sig's Avatar
8
Rep
399
Posts

 
Drives: M3
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Silver Spring MD

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by richardbb85 View Post
this is driving me nuts

got the new PSS on my car for about a month or so, the tires just don't feel right....the ps2 were great, so i expected this to be better overall...

F 255/35/18, R 275/35/18 does this size look okay?
I thought I was the only one! I've had my PSS on since mid march, about five thousand mile ago. And at 62K miles I have had two sets of PS2s and a winter set of Conti's DWS all seasons. These PSS lack the grip of the PS2s and does seem to break lose al lot easier than PS2s ever did. To me it seems to perform only on par of my Contis. I know about the release compound the he need for it to wear off, but after 5K miles there seems to be no appreciable difference since day one!
__________________
09'M3 JerezB/Tech/Cold/Prem/PDC/SR/Black Leather/ANTHRACITE Sycamore/IPOD/USB/Rear Sunshade/Premium Sounnd/6MT***Just Hit The Ground! Delivery 02/25/2009***
Appreciate 0
      05-14-2012, 03:29 PM   #525
naterater
BMW & Michelin Brand Ambassador
naterater's Avatar
0
Rep
70
Posts

 
Drives: 2002 E46 M3 Coupe
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: San Diego, CA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave07997S View Post
It can take 500 or so miles for tires to come into their own as the release agent used to release them from the mold can permeate the rubber. Also, fresh rubber with all that tread will experience "tread wiggle". When a tire wears the tread starts to wear down decreasing tread wiggle increasing the tires turn in response and stability. There is a reason why racers shave tires down.

Dave
The Pilot Super Sport tire manufacturing facilities do not use mold release agents and all molds are either bare or coated with an industrial coating/not lubricant. This coating reduces friction, improves wear resistance and is used for non-stick applications. An example would be non-stick cookware (like DuPont's trademarked Teflon). All of the Pilot Super Sport molds (both in EU and the US) have these coated molds.

Quote:
Originally Posted by thai357sig View Post
I thought I was the only one! I've had my PSS on since mid march, about five thousand mile ago. And at 62K miles I have had two sets of PS2s and a winter set of Conti's DWS all seasons. These PSS lack the grip of the PS2s and does seem to break lose al lot easier than PS2s ever did. To me it seems to perform only on par of my Contis. I know about the release compound the he need for it to wear off, but after 5K miles there seems to be no appreciable difference since day one!
The PSS's have been shown to have better handling, braking, and wet performance than the PS2. They are a summer tires, has it been colder than normal in your area since you got them? Where your PS2's run-flats?
Appreciate 0
      05-14-2012, 04:24 PM   #526
LarThaL
Colonel
LarThaL's Avatar
64
Rep
2,630
Posts

 
Drives: 2011 M3
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: West Springfield, MA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by richardbb85 View Post
this is driving me nuts

got the new PSS on my car for about a month or so, the tires just don't feel right....the ps2 were great, so i expected this to be better overall...

F 255/35/18, R 275/35/18 does this size look okay?
Your sizes seem off....by a good amount!!

Most people are running 255/35/19 and 275/35/19.

If you are going wih 18's, this would convert to 255/40/18 and 275/40/18

Better sizes on 18's would be 265/35 and 285/35.
__________________
Precision tool: 2011 BMW ///M3
Sledgehammer: 2014 Audi S6

Appreciate 0
      05-15-2012, 01:38 PM   #527
jeff4598
Lieutenant
7
Rep
451
Posts

 
Drives: 2009 e90 AW/BB lotsa Dinan
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: new jersey

iTrader: (0)

I too thought it was me but I hate the feel of the PSS's- PS's were FAR superior to me- original size- I do not get it.
Appreciate 0
      05-15-2012, 02:23 PM   #528
mlhj83
Scythe-Meister
mlhj83's Avatar
United Kingdom
22
Rep
1,035
Posts

 
Drives: '11 E92 M3 DCT ZCP
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: London

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeff4598 View Post
I too thought it was me but I hate the feel of the PSS's- PS's were FAR superior to me- original size- I do not get it.
I have also noticed the same thing compared to the BMW PS2. I have PSS on the rear in oem dimensions, with BMW PS2s on the front. I am aware that it isn't advisable to mix the PSS and PS2 but I'm not prepared to waste a perfectly good set of front tyres, and I personally do not feel that there is an issue of safety unless the car is being pushed to its limits - I have separate wheels for performance use.

Back on topic, with PSS on the rears, the car's steering has been blunted and quick direction changes, especially at higher speeds, occurs a fraction of a second slower than steering input, with the car taking a bit longer to level out. This is due to the fact that the PSS has a significantly softer side wall than the BMW homologated PS2. My fix: raise the pressure appropriately.

This is not to say that the PSS is inferior, but rather that the tyres that came with the car from factory are custom made for the M3, therefore, will have certain characteristics that off-the-shelf tyres, of the same brand and model, will not.
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:33 PM.




m3post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST