Chris Harris Drives M3 GTS vs Porsche GT3 RS 4.0 and C63 Black Series - Page 4

1BMW4fun · 05-03-2012, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Xelloss

The C63 AMG BS just came out this year and the M3 GTS was announced in 2009 with delivery in 2010. The cars may both be reaching their EOL, but that extra time would mean Mercedes allotted additional development for their Black Series, which they always do and yet the C63 AMG BS still comes short to the M3 GTS. Same thing applies to the Audi RS5. BMW M is still king of the German Big Three and will be for the next generation if the F10 is indicative of that.

how is it coming short? you really think it is coming up short because of .1 of a sec? If you want stat race, then why dont you look at the ring time for the GTS and the Blk.

antzcrashing · 05-03-2012, 08:23 PM

I very much enjoy his reviews, this one was well worth the watch.

theArgiope · 05-03-2012, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kaiv

M3 GTS
450hp / 326tq / 3278lbs

My car (stock)
414hp / 295tq / 3570lbs

better than a camel

DARK_M3 · 05-04-2012, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

All three cars are to die for.

German cars FTW!

Agreed!!!!

I really love that GTS though... just something about it.

1. GTS
2. 4.0
3. BS

In that order for me!

av689 · 05-04-2012, 12:40 AM

Great video! Don't really think that c63 is for the track, it's just for showing off

MDivPower · 05-04-2012, 12:45 AM

beautiful beasts, i feel the c63 black is a bit too busy with that body work, i don't know i have not seen one in person and I am sure if i did I am going to be impressed as well. Just give me any.

johnca · 05-04-2012, 03:47 AM

enjoy the VID thanks for sharing

Jack_Feng · 05-04-2012, 04:23 AM

still, M3 is the best

a///Mazed · 05-04-2012, 08:42 AM

GT3RS 4.0 > M3 > C63AMG BS.

The C63 belongs in a show, drop that car properly, and it looks good. I don't really think it belongs on the track.

rmani · 05-04-2012, 09:50 AM

great video. i agree with his conclusions. The fact the gt3 is a real stick would make it the only choice for me regardless of performance.

Evan@Ring-Werks · 05-04-2012, 10:08 AM

Thanks for sharing nice video~

M3PO · 05-04-2012, 11:38 AM

I would never drive the C63 coupe no matter how fast it was because if FUGLY. It looks like a Honda Accord coupe!

Roman@ESS · 05-04-2012, 11:53 AM

The C63 Black Series is a fantactic machine. I have been driving ours now for a few weeks and unlike older Mercedes models it has very good handling to go along with its raw power. I personally think it has very attractive styling.

Singletrack · 05-04-2012, 12:23 PM

Enjoyed the review. I'd love to have any, or all, of the cars in my garage. : )

Mmmdreamer · 05-04-2012, 12:29 PM

I think BMW could have done more with the GTS...cosmetically the changes are minor OEM upgrades...Dinan bored out engine is probably more impressive.

KennyPowers · 05-04-2012, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 宝马.e90

I agree but that's not to say the GTS is a bad car, it's BMW being BMW - you're going to get what BMW does so well albeit at a steeper price (limited edition run).

If I were to pick one to be disappointed in, I would have to choose the C63. We understand why the GT3 RS and M3 GTS exist, it's up there in cars you WANT to take to the track. The C63 performs, but it's like Mercedes decided, well we'll improve the car but lets make the car produce more smoke at the rear than the standard C63. As a car trying to de-throne the M3, I would have liked to see Mercedes actually try to refine the C63. It has the power, great but let's try to tune it so it has more balance like the M3.

Lol, it was .1 second slower than the gts. Essentially the merc and BMW posted identical times. The gt3 was the only one that stood out in terms of track times.

KennyPowers · 05-04-2012, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Roman@ESS

The C63 Black Series is a fantactic machine. I have been driving ours now for a few weeks and unlike older Mercedes models it has very good handling to go along with its raw power. I personally think it has very attractive styling.

Wow....love it!

What are your thoughts on the mct?

EvosM3 · 05-04-2012, 01:53 PM

GT3 RS 4.0 > M3 GTS > Mercedes C63 BS.

Roman@ESS · 05-04-2012, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by KennyPowers

Wow....love it!

What are your thoughts on the mct?

Much better than the old system. Close to DCT but still a bit less responsive.

phusion974 · 05-04-2012, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SpooN-FED

GT3RS 4.0 > M3 > C63AMG BS.

The C63 belongs in a show, drop that car properly, and it looks good. I don't really think it belongs on the track.

Funny you should say that since the C63BS is 2 seconds faster then the M3 GTS on the Ring.

KennyPowers · 05-04-2012, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Roman@ESS

Much better than the old system. Close to DCT but still a bit less responsive.

Thanks for the feedback!

Love your black series, amazing! Is it your personal car?

I'm looking to replace my car with the 2012 c63 p31 (non black) next year. My main concern was the mct

mdosu · 05-04-2012, 04:41 PM

C63 BS please.

05-03-2012, 08:23 PM	#68
antzcrashing ... can I get a 1M Drives: 2006 330i Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Miami FL Posts: 926 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2006 BMW 330i [5.00]	I very much enjoy his reviews, this one was well worth the watch. __________________

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johnca Second Lieutenant Drives: E46 Slow CSL Join Date: May 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 290 iTrader: (0)	enjoy the VID thanks for sharing __________________

05-04-2012, 09:50 AM	#76
rmani Buys too many toys... Drives: 2000 Ferrari 360 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: NJ Posts: 278 iTrader: (0)	great video. i agree with his conclusions. The fact the gt3 is a real stick would make it the only choice for me regardless of performance. __________________ 2000 Ferrari 360 2004 Yamaha R1 2003 X5 4.6is (Sold) 1995 M3 (Sold)

05-04-2012, 11:38 AM	#78
M3PO Colonel Drives: '08 IB E92 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: OC Posts: 2,192 iTrader: (6)	I would never drive the C63 coupe no matter how fast it was because if FUGLY. It looks like a Honda Accord coupe! __________________ 2008 IB E92 M3\| BBS \| KW \| Arkym \| Platte Forme A.G. \| Active Autowerke \| K&N \| Fabspeed \| Dinan \| Evolve-R

05-04-2012, 12:23 PM	#80
Singletrack 4th down; 4th quarter? Renegade. Drives: 09 SSII E92 M3; 12 AW X5d Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 3,800 iTrader: (3)	Enjoyed the review. I'd love to have any, or all, of the cars in my garage. : ) __________________ Singletrack's M3 iND/Singletrack's X5d

05-04-2012, 12:40 AM	#71
av689 Private Drives: Space Grey f10 535i Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Moscow Posts: 50 iTrader: (0)	Great video! Don't really think that c63 is for the track, it's just for showing off

05-04-2012, 12:45 AM	#72
MDivPower Private First Class Drives: mk4 Jetta Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Cairo Posts: 120 iTrader: (0)	beautiful beasts, i feel the c63 black is a bit too busy with that body work, i don't know i have not seen one in person and I am sure if i did I am going to be impressed as well. Just give me any.

05-04-2012, 04:23 AM	#74
Jack_Feng Enlisted Member Drives: E90 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: SoCal Posts: 39 iTrader: (0)	still, M3 is the best

05-04-2012, 08:42 AM	#75
a///Mazed Private Drives: 2009 IB E92 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Mississauga Posts: 89 iTrader: (1)	GT3RS 4.0 > M3 > C63AMG BS. The C63 belongs in a show, drop that car properly, and it looks good. I don't really think it belongs on the track.

05-04-2012, 10:08 AM	#77
Evan@Ring-Werks First Lieutenant Drives: 2010 e92 m3 white Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: IL Posts: 311 iTrader: (5)	Thanks for sharing nice video~

05-04-2012, 11:53 AM	#79
Roman@ESS BimmerPost Supporting Vendor Drives: ESS Supercharged E92 M3 Join Date: May 2007 Location: AZ Posts: 2,152 iTrader: (5)	The C63 Black Series is a fantactic machine. I have been driving ours now for a few weeks and unlike older Mercedes models it has very good handling to go along with its raw power. I personally think it has very attractive styling.

05-04-2012, 12:29 PM	#81
Mmmdreamer First Lieutenant Drives: 08 e90 M3 Jet Black Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Jersey City Posts: 321 iTrader: (1)	I think BMW could have done more with the GTS...cosmetically the changes are minor OEM upgrades...Dinan bored out engine is probably more impressive.

05-04-2012, 01:53 PM	#84
EvosM3 Banned Drives: WTB E90 M3 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: America Posts: 169 iTrader: (0)	GT3 RS 4.0 > M3 GTS > Mercedes C63 BS.

05-04-2012, 04:41 PM	#88
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