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      07-17-2007, 03:14 AM   #1
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BMW 335i beats RS4 & Z4 M IN Virginia International Raceway

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"Compared to the RS4, the magazine noted, “the BMW [335i] was almost one second quicker around VIR … and if it weren’t for the four-wheel-drive system … the RS4 would have been farther behind the competition"

"335i’s best lap (3:10.5) was 1.2 seconds quicker than the M coupe’s"
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      07-17-2007, 03:30 AM   #2
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and waiting for the guys from the other thread running over here...
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      07-17-2007, 06:17 AM   #3
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and waiting for the guys from the other thread running over here...
Yeah something about it being faster in the corners, but not really...
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Yeah something about it being faster in the corners, but not really...
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      07-17-2007, 08:03 AM   #5
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Sounds like Epacy is off the hook on the proposed duel--thanks to the 335. He can put away his sword and dagger now.
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      07-17-2007, 08:24 AM   #6
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Sounds like Epacy is off the hook on the proposed duel--thanks to the 335. He can put away his sword and dagger now.
I'm gonna have to go back and read that. I stopped reading that mess after I realized it was completely insane to continue.
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      07-17-2007, 08:37 AM   #7
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I'm gonna have to go back and read that. I stopped reading that mess after I realized it was completely insane to continue.
At somepoint, he literally proposed a race between the two of you. Not worth checking...
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      07-17-2007, 10:10 AM   #8
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Its been brought up "over there". Don't worry, in the hands of a skilled driver (not that car and driver doesn't have any skilled drivers, it's just that they may not get the car like top gear did
) the 335i wouldn't have beaten either car
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      07-17-2007, 01:54 PM   #9
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http://www.bmwcca.org/node/8852

"Compared to the RS4, the magazine noted, “the BMW [335i] was almost one second quicker around VIR … and if it weren’t for the four-wheel-drive system … the RS4 would have been farther behind the competition"

"335i’s best lap (3:10.5) was 1.2 seconds quicker than the M coupe’s"
Not sure what this has to do with the E92 M3 other than to start another flame war.

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      07-17-2007, 02:39 PM   #10
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"Compared to the RS4, the magazine noted, “the BMW [335i] was almost one second quicker around VIR … and if it weren’t for the four-wheel-drive system … the RS4 would have been farther behind the competition"

"335i’s best lap (3:10.5) was 1.2 seconds quicker than the M coupe’s"

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Sounds like Epacy is off the hook on the proposed duel--thanks to the 335. He can put away his sword and dagger now.
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      07-17-2007, 03:42 PM   #12
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"Compared to the RS4, the magazine noted, “the BMW [335i] was almost one second quicker around VIR … and if it weren’t for the four-wheel-drive system … the RS4 would have been farther behind the competition"

"335i’s best lap (3:10.5) was 1.2 seconds quicker than the M coupe’s"
Cool, I am cross shopping between the 135i and the M3. The 135i should be even faster than the 335i
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Jeez.. Then the M3 has something to worry about... the 335.

BMW claims the M3 ring times are 3 secs faster than the M5... which is exactly what the RS4 posts.. 3 secs faster than the M5.

So if you believe the VIR results as gospel, then it looks to me that the 335 should be able to match the M3 on the 'ring... hmmm..
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      07-17-2007, 04:11 PM   #14
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Jeez.. Then the M3 has something to worry about... the 335.

BMW claims the M3 ring times are 3 secs faster than the M5... which is exactly what the RS4 posts.. 3 secs faster than the M5.

So if you believe the VIR results as gospel, then it looks to me that the 335 should be able to match the M3 on the 'ring... hmmm..
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You know all the cars are so good now the track time is more dependent on the driver than the car's limits.

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      07-17-2007, 09:49 PM   #16
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Jeez.. Then the M3 has something to worry about... the 335.

BMW claims the M3 ring times are 3 secs faster than the M5... which is exactly what the RS4 posts.. 3 secs faster than the M5.

So if you believe the VIR results as gospel, then it looks to me that the 335 should be able to match the M3 on the 'ring... hmmm..
Please show me these claims.
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Jeez.. Then the M3 has something to worry about... the 335.

BMW claims the M3 ring times are 3 secs faster than the M5... which is exactly what the RS4 posts.. 3 secs faster than the M5.

So if you believe the VIR results as gospel, then it looks to me that the 335 should be able to match the M3 on the 'ring... hmmm..
No, that's wrong for some reasons.
First of all being faster at one track doesn't mean being faster at every track. That depends on the track's characteristic.
Furthermore the RS4 did a 8.09 at the 'ring but with race tires, BMW claims the M3 is 3 seconds faster than M5 with the standard PS2 tires. The RS4 on this track test above didn't have race tires.
335's ring time is 8.26!

All this means that your conclusion "if 335>RS4 at one track and RS4=M3 at Nürburgrin then 335>M3 on the ring is just poor math.
But I think your intention was to show how ridiculous the VIR result is. But for the given reasons it's not. Just a disappointing result for the RS4 in one test.

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