NEW M5 crash!!

[KJ]

Originally Posted by US///M3

this crash speaks well to the design of the Pontiac Firebird,unlike the new 5,the teen actually hit head on before getting airborne...at 100mph. The Firechicken must be safer than the e92 M3,335i...

100 MPH vs 186 MPH is a HUGE difference.

The force of impact becomes exponentially greater at 186 MPH.

Surviving a 300 km/h crash definitely shows a car is safe.

I'm far from a fanboy as I've owned cars of all luxury brands over the years. I'm not a "bimmer for life" guy.

Remember the Enzo that got cut in half?

The driver survived and took off before the cops came. That also showed that thr Enzo was safe (even though the car sheared in half).

- KJ

[nick3753]

Just because they "survived" the crash doesn't mean they will live. Sometimes instant death in the crash is better than the slow death that happens in the ICU over the next weeks or months, or the life of a quadriplegic or similar fate. Hopefully they all make a full or near full recovery.

[TVMA Doc]

Originally Posted by US///M3

This shows how safe the M5 is,are you serious? Thr passengers sustained serious injurious

This is your typical fanboyism,like if a guy survives an accident in an M3. Quickly the consensus is how safe these cars are.
When they split in half, and there are fatalities. Usually nobody mentions how well built those cars are.

A good example, john force survived an accident in a top fuel dragsterthat reach speeds in excess of 300 mph ( 500km/h) and Earnhardt wasnt so lucky in what seemed not to be a bad crash.

I would also suggest that this shows how safe the M5 is. A crash at that speed SHOULD be fatal. It relates to the laws of physics. I am literally amazed that everyone in the vehicle wasn't dead at the scene.

Mind you, I've only spent 20 plus years in medicine/ERs, etc. so what do I know?

[TVMA Doc]

Originally Posted by nick3753

Just because they "survived" the crash doesn't mean they will live. Sometimes instant death in the crash is better than the slow death that happens in the ICU over the next weeks or months, or the life of a quadriplegic or similar fate. Hopefully they all make a full or near full recovery.

THIS one I agree with 100%. I wish not only a recovery, but no lasting disability.

[JPatrick]

Originally Posted by HK8888

Crash test passed.

I wonder if the insurance company wrote it off as totaled?

[Calmwinds]

that poor dog.

Driver, next time crash into the stupid merger.

[Rshane]

Originally Posted by Calmwinds

that poor dog.

Driver, next time crash into the stupid merger.

You know, in a way I agree with this. So many times I hear about someone getting into a serious accident because they swerved to avoid some dumbass who was driving dangerously. The victim gets their car demolished and ends up in the hospital, while the one who caused the accident goes on their merry way.

Of course the natural human reaction is to avoid the accident which is why so many swerve to miss the other car...they just end up over doing it causing loss of control.

[StuttgartM3]

Originally Posted by Rshane

You know, in a way I agree with this. So many times I hear about someone getting into a serious accident because they swerved to avoid some dumbass who was driving dangerously. The victim gets their car demolished and ends up in the hospital, while the one who caused the accident goes on their merry way.

Of course the natural human reaction is to avoid the accident which is why so many swerve to miss the other car...they just end up over doing it causing loss of control.

What you say is true, however, the "victim" in this case was also driving dangerously by operating his vehicle at 300 km/h on a public highway. What I believe is more of a problem is these drivers who feel the need to drive much faster than everyone else and tailgate those who are actively passing in the left lane.

Just yesterday on my way home on the A5 I was passing a group of vehicles in the left lane. They were traveling around 120-130 km/h and I was cruising at 150 km/h which is plenty fast by any means. As I am in the middle of passing this group a green VW kombi came flying around a curve we had just passed and came flying up behind me. He proceeded to run all the way up to my bumper before braking hard and then tailgating me at no more than 5 meters (at 150 km/h) until I completed my pass. Then he floored his little motor again and gave me a mean look as he went his way.

My point is that the autobahn is just another highway, nothing else. Everyone has to share it and drive in a safe manner. Yes there are those that "aggressively" enter the motor way as well as those who believe the left lane is their personal space to drive as fast as they please. I see no problem with owning a fast car and going faster on those unrestricted zones when there is no traffic. But on any normal day in Germany there is traffic everywhere and no one has any business going 300 km/h in ANY car.

When you drive fast you no only put yourself at danger (your choice) but you endanger every other driver on the road. And as Alter Peter said in his thread it takes next to nothing to loose control at that speed. Its not hard to imagine the scene when 60 year old in his new M5 goes from full gas to full depression of the brake pedal with a death grip on the steering wheel at 300 km/h.

[Team Plutonium]

Yes, if you travel high speeds (over 130 kmh) you receive an automatic partial fault by law (Teilschuld).

[StuttgartM3]

Yup and his schadensfreie jahre is toast.

[aus]

Engine looks ok. Wonder if it'll fit in an M3?

.

[Rshane]

Originally Posted by StuttgartM3

What you say is true, however, the "victim" in this case was also driving dangerously by operating his vehicle at 300 km/h on a public highway. What I believe is more of a problem is these drivers who feel the need to drive much faster than everyone else and tailgate those who are actively passing in the left lane.

Just yesterday on my way home on the A5 I was passing a group of vehicles in the left lane. They were traveling around 120-130 km/h and I was cruising at 150 km/h which is plenty fast by any means. As I am in the middle of passing this group a green VW kombi came flying around a curve we had just passed and came flying up behind me. He proceeded to run all the way up to my bumper before braking hard and then tailgating me at no more than 5 meters (at 150 km/h) until I completed my pass. Then he floored his little motor again and gave me a mean look as he went his way.

My point is that the autobahn is just another highway, nothing else. Everyone has to share it and drive in a safe manner. Yes there are those that "aggressively" enter the motor way as well as those who believe the left lane is their personal space to drive as fast as they please. I see no problem with owning a fast car and going faster on those unrestricted zones when there is no traffic. But on any normal day in Germany there is traffic everywhere and no one has any business going 300 km/h in ANY car.

When you drive fast you no only put yourself at danger (your choice) but you endanger every other driver on the road. And as Alter Peter said in his thread it takes next to nothing to loose control at that speed. Its not hard to imagine the scene when 60 year old in his new M5 goes from full gas to full depression of the brake pedal with a death grip on the steering wheel at 300 km/h.

I realize he was travelling faster than he should have been. However, the fact is in areas where there is no speed limit you are allowed to travel as fast as you want. Is it smart...not really, and the driver of the M5 should be held partly responsible for the accident, which he likely will since he was travelling at over 130kph.

The fact remains that this accident was due to carelessness on two parties. there have been a number of times while I have been driving on the autobahn that someone has pulled out in front of me causing me to jam on my brakes...and my cruise contol was set at 120kph. Sometimes it is just people not paying attention, but most times it seems people just don't care. Also, some folks like to be traffic regulators...they pull out in front of you then match the speed of the car next to them...completely illegal here.

[Team Plutonium]

It sucks for the M5 driver and the passengers, but the fact is that if you travel 300 kmh shit can go wrong quickly... and the consequences of a high speed crash are obviously much more severe, hence the partial fault via german law (Teilschuld).

I'm German myself, lived there for my first 25 years, I'm there twice a year, and drove and drive on the Autobahn on a regular basis (I did a little write up last summer when I had the AMG SLS for the weekend). If you drive that fast, and I do it as well, there are elements that you can't control (that goes obviously for every speed including public roads), the difference is that your time to react is shortened my a huge f@ckign margin, and to this day you still will have drivers who have a hard time estimating your "arrival time" even if they see you in the rear view mirror and decide to pull out anyway to overtake a truck for example. This happens to every fast driver on the Autobahn - all the time.

If the Autobahn is clear and I visit family in all different parts of Germany my "cruising speed" (when I'm alone in the car) is 200 kmh if the condition allows it, after that I don't even get tempted anymore... people will be surprised of the huge difference between 200 and 255 for example, once you slow down from 250 or even 300, 200 kmh feels slow, which is dangerous as hell.

Anyway, my point is, you go that fast (300+), and I've done that myself, you know that if things go wrong - things go very wrong. So just because it was legal it doesn't mean it was smart. Again, obviously the temptation is there with these cars, and it doesn't excuse the other drivers actions, but living in Germany (owning these cars) you are aware of the dangers, and again, that is the reason that the law will always give you a partial fault after 130 kmh.