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      07-12-2007, 09:41 AM   #23
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According to BMW Munich the M-DCT will be available for ordering in June 2008, production +3 months. The date is not 100% confirmed, it might also be later.
Damn thats some sad news to hear...i dunno if i can bear the wait if that is true.
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      07-12-2007, 11:14 AM   #24
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Damn thats some sad news to hear...i dunno if i can bear the wait if that is true.
I will not get the E92 M3 without the DCT. I suspect the DCT will BLOW AWAY the manual transmission version.

Seven speeds for better use of the power band and torque multiplication, super fast gearchange . . . Being patient will pay huge dividends.
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      07-12-2007, 11:22 AM   #25
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Haha i feel ya, my fiancee is all for the DCT, shes stated that when we order the M3 we MUST get it in automatic. I tried to explain to her that its not really a automatic and you can shift with the paddles or shifter, shes like "whatever...as long as theres no 3rd brake thingy."

I'm stuck with you...when I take the dog in my fiancees X5 she can't take my ride...so she's kind of insisting on the M-DCT. But, If it's not ready at US launch...guess she'll be stuck out!!
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      07-12-2007, 11:34 AM   #26
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Ill have to wait for the DCT...i wouldnt mind waiting if thats what it takes for them to perfect the system to get the ultimate performance and value from it. ILC32 has a point, id rather wait a extra 3 months for a great system than return back to the dealer countless times to fix issues and bugs.
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      07-12-2007, 12:05 PM   #27
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~40 lbs

The tranny we'll probably see as the M-DCT is from Getrag and weighs 78kg (link). Their comparable SMG unit weighs 71 kg so that difference is a mere 15lbs. Probably not the best comparo though as the benchmark is the 6MT (the same one in the 335i, I am fairly sure) which is the ZF type G. No matter where I look I haven't been able to find the weight of this unit (been looking a while as well...). The closest match Getrag unit to the ZF type G weighs in at 53kg, if the ZF type G is similar in weight (likely) the DCT penalty is then about 40 lb.

Industry sources have stated the car will be faster with the DCT. The only way it will be faster if it it has a good launch capability. As we know 6MT in the E46 M3 was usually faster in 0-X sprints than SMG because of generally getting a better launch when executed perfectly by a skilled driver. SMG then offered only marginally better shift times.

Epacy: take it easy on Fifthstreetz. We all know the Getrag unit will be quite similar to the VW box and inheirent in any DCT design is nearly instantaneous shifts. VW times have been quotes at 8 ms. Since we expect the M-DCT to be better than the VW (Borg-Warner) unit we are in for very fast shifts. Well I guess calling the DCT "pretty much an auto" did deserve some -ing...
Thanks swamp..... I knew you would come through
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      07-12-2007, 12:20 PM   #28
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Talked to my dealer today. He said if I place the order now, I can get my M3 as soon as production starts However, he thinks that M-DCT will not be available next March (rather next September).

So that puts me in a difficult position: Should I really wait for the M-DCT (that I actually want) or jump on the manual that I can have as soon as January? My original timeframe was March or (if confirmed) April 08, but I definitely don't want to wait any longer. On the other hand, I would be pissed, if the M-DCT came out just 2 or 3 months after I got my manual one.

What do you guys think? (Especially people from Europe; by the time it is delivered in the US M-DCT will probably be available anyway).

Any people who actually prefer manual over dual clutch?
Even If I had an SMGII before, I've chosen the manual one (just because I don't want to wait a long time) and I will receive it on October. I plan to change for an M3 Cab in two years and I will see at this stage if a choose M-DCT.
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      07-12-2007, 12:45 PM   #29
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I wish I could wait for DCT (owned a E46 M3 w/SMG and really enjoyed it) but I am on a time crunch so ordering a manual will be it.
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      07-13-2007, 04:07 AM   #30
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According to BMW Munich the M-DCT will be available for ordering in June 2008, production +3 months. The date is not 100% confirmed, it might also be later.
Optional Equipment

Largely the same range of optional equipment is available for the new BMW M3 Coupé as for the full E92 range. Please see the on-line product library for full details.

Exclusive BMW M3 Coupé Options

7-speed M Double Clutch Transmission with Drive logic (M DCT Drivelogic) - anticipated to start production in March 2008
2MT, M double spoke 19” forged and polished style 220M with mixed tyres
223, Electronic Damper Control (EDC) offers the choice of three suspension settings; Comfort, Normal & Sport
326, Rear spoiler, deletion
752, BMW Individual Audio HiFi system. Features a nine-channel amplifier with Digital Sound Processing (DSP). Sixteen high-end loudspeakers (Neodym magnetic drives, hexacone diaphragm), at a total of 825W. DIRAC signal processing enables perfectly timed sound experience in all seats.
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      07-13-2007, 05:28 AM   #31
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7-speed M Double Clutch Transmission with Drive logic (M DCT Drivelogic) - anticipated to start production in March 2008
That means available by?????????
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      07-13-2007, 06:19 AM   #32
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Exclusive BMW M3 Coupé Options

7-speed M Double Clutch Transmission with Drive logic (M DCT Drivelogic) - anticipated to start production in March 2008
Where did you get that from? The M-DCT option is not even in the dealer's car configuration application. And, as mentioned in my previous post, it will not be available before September 2008; if they encounter some problems, even later.
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      07-13-2007, 06:26 AM   #33
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Where did you get that from? The M-DCT option is not even in the dealer's car configuration application. And, as mentioned in my previous post, it will not be available before September 2008; if they encounter some problems, even later.
This info is direct from BMW Park Lane the only BMW owned dealer in UK. Trust me the info is genuine.

Where do you get your information from?
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      07-13-2007, 06:27 AM   #34
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That means available by?????????
1 month
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      07-13-2007, 07:40 AM   #35
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This info is direct from BMW Park Lane the only BMW owned dealer in UK. Trust me the info is genuine.

Where do you get your information from?
My dealer didn't know, so he called BMW Switzerland. As they didn't know either, he called BMW Munich. They (BMW Munich) said it will be offered in June 08 and available 3 months later.

The info about March 08 was just something that all online magazines copied from each other.
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      07-13-2007, 08:05 AM   #36
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My dealer didn't know, so he called BMW Switzerland. As they didn't know either, he called BMW Munich. They (BMW Munich) said it will be offered in June 08 and available 3 months later.

The info about March 08 was just something that all online magazines copied from each other.
Wrong. The information we have is from multiple sources but perhaps best from Scott26, a known BMW insider. He can and does occasionally share unknown information with this board and other boards. He has stated that the plan is to launch the coupe, convertible, 6MT and M-DCT simultaneously here in the US in March 08 and I think by "launch" he meant cars would be available to purchase in March 08.
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      07-13-2007, 08:20 AM   #37
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My dealer didn't know, so he called BMW Switzerland. As they didn't know either, he called BMW Munich. They (BMW Munich) said it will be offered in June 08 and available 3 months later.

The info about March 08 was just something that all online magazines copied from each other.
i have just requested the info direct from BMW AG. I will let you know when i get it.
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      07-13-2007, 08:50 AM   #38
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Wrong. The information we have is from multiple sources but perhaps best from Scott26, a known BMW insider. He can and does occasionally share unknown information with this board and other boards. He has stated that the plan is to launch the coupe, convertible, 6MT and M-DCT simultaneously here in the US in March 08 and I think by "launch" he meant cars would be available to purchase in March 08.
Given the fact that they're still testing the transmission they're could have been any delay in development!? Only "official" source so far is a UK dealer document which told us that "anticipated production start" for DCT is in March '08.

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      07-13-2007, 01:14 PM   #39
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Who knows, things could go wrong or take longer than expected, so i guess we can hope for a release in March. But from the looks of it that is what BMW has in mind to release everything at once, if it takes longer to perfect the DCT then so be it.
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DCT is expected to come with M3 cabrio in Spring 2008 (Europe).

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