How to equal straightline speed vs. the C63

Tonifyd · 03-25-2012, 07:31 AM

Just as the title says.

The major difference between the two cars in terms of performance seems to be straightline speed/acceleration. If thats the case why not mod to equal the playing field.

Im wondering what type of mods will be needed to match the c63 in terms of statight line speed. A breakdown of mods needed and total labor costs would be appreciated. Ive tried searching but all im getting are subjective opinions between the two cars. Thanks in advance!

Darth One · 03-25-2012, 07:50 AM

did your search uncover this thing called a "supercharger"?

///M Ryder · 03-25-2012, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth One

did your search uncover this thing called a "supercharger"?

This

M3SQRD · 03-25-2012, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth One

did your search uncover this thing called a "supercharger"?

+2

Tonifyd · 03-25-2012, 08:01 AM

NA route impossible?

GIdriver · 03-25-2012, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Tonifyd

NA route impossible?

Dinan stroker but prepare to spend $$$$. Not worth it IMO. Supercharge is the way to go.

Tonifyd · 03-25-2012, 08:09 AM

So...say....intake headers exhaust pulleys tune isnt enough?

Sean05 · 03-25-2012, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Tonifyd

NA route impossible?

NO

GIdriver · 03-25-2012, 08:19 AM

If I'm not mistaken, with catless/HFC x-pipe, tune, pulley, filter/intake some have reported beating a c63 w/o the p31 package. To beat a c63 with the p31 you will need major mods such as a SC.

And here we go again....

mrkbbd · 03-25-2012, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Tonifyd

So...say....intake headers exhaust pulleys tune isnt enough?

probably not,

Intake +5
Headers +15
Exhaust +10 (max)
Pulley + 2
Tune = makes all the above possible

= +32 (probably the most you would get on all that)

414+32 = 446 crank...BUT your baseline torque is only 295 (no clue how much that would go up, probably only a little, maybe to 315) compared to the C63 in the 450 range, then factor in gearing, and even with the weight advantage, I don't think you could take a C63 w/o forced induction

M3SQRD · 03-25-2012, 08:23 AM

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And here we go again....

Agreed. Time to go grab some

GIdriver · 03-25-2012, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by dbarnes

Agreed. Time to go grab some

Sure.. I'll bring some

Team Plutonium · 03-25-2012, 08:27 AM

Sharkdriver · 03-25-2012, 09:03 AM

Easiest way, buy a C63

tico1028 · 03-25-2012, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Sharkdriver

Easiest way, buy a C63

Exactly. Damn buying a SC just to beat a C63 in a straight line? Should have just gotten a C63 if you're so worried about it.

Pauldramos · 03-25-2012, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mrkbbd

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tonifyd

So...say....intake headers exhaust pulleys tune isnt enough?

probably not,

Intake +5
Headers +15
Exhaust +10 (max)
Pulley + 2
Tune = makes all the above possible

= +32 (probably the most you would get on all that)

414+32 = 446 crank...BUT your baseline torque is only 295 (no clue how much that would go up, probably only a little, maybe to 315) compared to the C63 in the 450 range, then factor in gearing, and even with the weight advantage, I don't think you could take a C63 w/o forced induction

Dinan Intake, pulley, exhaust, sw
448hp
325tq

M3SQRD · 03-25-2012, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Pauldramos

Dinan Intake, pulley, exhaust, sw
448hp
325tq

Is this based on dyno testing with all mods installed or adding up the expected gains for each individual mod?

Pauldramos · 03-25-2012, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by dbarnes

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Originally Posted by Pauldramos

Dinan Intake, pulley, exhaust, sw
448hp
325tq

Is this based on dyno testing with all mods installed or adding up the expected gains for each individual mod?

This figure was achieved by adding the mods expected gains. Dinan is very conservative with their gain estimates, so the numbers are pretty spot on. Other factor to consider is that all the m3 engines from the factory have varying actual hp/tq numbers not all will be 414/295. There is a variance of ~10% to 15%. A dyno test will be coming soon so we can determine the actual numbers of my ride.

Pauldramos · 03-25-2012, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Pauldramos

Quote:

Originally Posted by dbarnes

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pauldramos

Dinan Intake, pulley, exhaust, sw
448hp
325tq

Is this based on dyno testing with all mods installed or adding up the expected gains for each individual mod?

This figure was achieved by adding the mods expected gains. Dinan is very conservative with their gain estimates, so the numbers are pretty spot on. Other factor to consider is that all the m3 engines from the factory have varying actual hp/tq numbers not all will be 414/295. There is a variance of ~10% to 15%. A dyno test will be coming soon so we can determine the actual numbers of my ride.

Sorry not 10% to 15% just 10hp/tq to 15hp/tq. Approx.

IFX · 03-25-2012, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Pauldramos

Dinan Intake, pulley, exhaust, sw
448hp
325tq

Are these figures enough to beat the C63?

I'm thinking no, esp from a dig.

But roll, maybe?

OP should have bought the 63. Another bites the dust. lol

minigearhead · 03-25-2012, 09:45 AM

RDsport stroker

Pauldramos · 03-25-2012, 09:50 AM

Have you read this: http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2012-bmw-m3-vs-2012-mercedes-benz-c63-amg-comparison-test?redirect=no

03-25-2012, 07:31 AM	#1
Tonifyd Lieutenant Drives: 2011.75 JB E90M3 6MT Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: SoCal Posts: 433 iTrader: (0)	How to equal straightline speed vs. the C63 Just as the title says. The major difference between the two cars in terms of performance seems to be straightline speed/acceleration. If thats the case why not mod to equal the playing field. Im wondering what type of mods will be needed to match the c63 in terms of statight line speed. A breakdown of mods needed and total labor costs would be appreciated. Ive tried searching but all im getting are subjective opinions between the two cars. Thanks in advance! __________________ 2011.75 E90 ///M3 6MT \| JB \| Blk \| CF \| ZCP \| ZCV \| ZCW \| ZP2 \| 403 \| 6NR \| 752 '95 Integra GS-R [Stolen-RIP] \| '05 Legacy GT Stg 2[Traded] \| '08 STi Stg 2+[Sold]
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Tonifyd Lieutenant Drives: 2011.75 JB E90M3 6MT Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: SoCal Posts: 433 iTrader: (0)	NA route impossible? __________________ 2011.75 E90 ///M3 6MT \| JB \| Blk \| CF \| ZCP \| ZCV \| ZCW \| ZP2 \| 403 \| 6NR \| 752 '95 Integra GS-R [Stolen-RIP] \| '05 Legacy GT Stg 2[Traded] \| '08 STi Stg 2+[Sold]

03-25-2012, 08:09 AM	#7
Tonifyd Lieutenant Drives: 2011.75 JB E90M3 6MT Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: SoCal Posts: 433 iTrader: (0)	So...say....intake headers exhaust pulleys tune isnt enough? __________________ 2011.75 E90 ///M3 6MT \| JB \| Blk \| CF \| ZCP \| ZCV \| ZCW \| ZP2 \| 403 \| 6NR \| 752 '95 Integra GS-R [Stolen-RIP] \| '05 Legacy GT Stg 2[Traded] \| '08 STi Stg 2+[Sold]

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03-25-2012, 07:50 AM	#2
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03-25-2012, 08:19 AM	#9
GIdriver Major Drives: 2011 SG/FR E90 M3 DCT Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Somewhere in Time Posts: 1,136 iTrader: (0)	If I'm not mistaken, with catless/HFC x-pipe, tune, pulley, filter/intake some have reported beating a c63 w/o the p31 package. To beat a c63 with the p31 you will need major mods such as a SC. And here we go again....

03-25-2012, 09:45 AM	#21
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03-25-2012, 09:50 AM	#22
Pauldramos Drives: Dinan '11 M3 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Solvang, CA Posts: 359 iTrader: (1)	Have you read this: http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2012-bmw-m3-vs-2012-mercedes-benz-c63-amg-comparison-test?redirect=no

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