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      07-10-2007, 11:22 AM   #67
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like the other posts it means he followed you and wasn't gaining hence how he got 90 mph
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      07-10-2007, 11:22 AM   #68
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He was doing 90 in a 65 zone. How is that considered a "reasonable speed" ??
He didn't say he was going 90. The cop claimed he was going 90. He said:

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I honestly dont know how fast I was going but by the time I saw the cop with the lights in the rear view mirror and look down I was going about 75.
I used to think fighting a speeding ticket wasn't worth it until I finally did ... and it was worth it.

In my state, the court generally lowers the fine and points a bit if you show up with a lawyer. I'm generally pretty discreet about my speeding (never will I buy a red car again!) use a V-1 and I've earned one ticket in the last 10 years. I have no points at this time.

But I'd still fight it.
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      07-10-2007, 11:25 AM   #69
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I think we need a graduated licensing system.

A- Under 21
B- Over 21 STANDARD License

O- OVER 21 Open Unrestricted... <----- Something like this after proving that vehicle and tires are up to spec, the driver has completed X amount of Professional drivers training, (At their Expense) and paying $1k a year in use tax or something then the driver and his vehicle(s) would be allowed unrestricted or Elevated speed limits depending on location and road restrictions. SO, speed limit signs would read:

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+25 next 15 miles

Something like this would allow folks who are serious about driving, responsible enough to know when and where to set a SAFE and Prudent LIMIT in certain areas out in the sticks. In busier area there would be adjusted limits as noted about. +15 +20 Etc... Could work...

Oh and Speeding shithead Soccer Moms in SUVs or anyone else speeding 10+ over in an SUV Get a double Fine and points. Dumbshits in the Escalades and Tahoes at 85 need to get a freaking clue as to the stopping distances and piss poor handling of their rolling Cliche's.

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Special Licenses required for all Trucks and SUVs... Cut down on the stupid shit maybe.
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I love that idea but it has one problem. Our highways are not designed to handle traffic that is moving at such significantly different speeds, it would likely cause more traffic and lane changes.
True it would take some planning to make it work, and as others have mentioned so many of our highways are such complete garbage as to make triple digits hazardous all on their own.
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      07-10-2007, 11:26 AM   #70
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He didn't say he was going 90. The cop claimed he was going 90. He said:



I used to think fighting a speeding ticket wasn't worth it until I finally did ... and it was worth it.

In my state, the court generally lowers the fine and points a bit if you show up with a lawyer. I'm generally pretty discreet about my speeding (never will I buy a red car again!) use a V-1 and I've earned one ticket in the last 10 years. I have no points at this time.

But I'd still fight it.

My bad - I already convicted the OP for doing 90 in a 65 zone. The original comment is still valid, however, about doing 90 in a 65 zone being a reasonable speed.

I have no problem with trying to fight a traffic ticket. More power to you....

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Differences in speed is what is dangerous. On a 65mph highway, one guy doing 90 while everyone else is doing 65 is a problem. On a theoretical road with a speed limit of 100mph, all of those Toyota Tercels that can only go a max of 65mph -- that also is a problem.

I have to admit that I, too, was amazed at some of the responses in this thread. A cop trailed and paced the OP, who was speeding, then pulled him over to cite him for it. Amazing, and incredibly immature, to be so self-absorbed to think this is "bullshit" or that the cop was a "hater." Or maybe those are just posts from our younger members.

OTOH, the OP absolutely should get a lawyer and get the ticket reduced. When the system allows first-time offenders to get tickets reduced relatively easily (as long as they are represented by a lawyer), you are crazy not to take advantage of this. If the OP has prior violations, this will be harder to do, though.
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I find it really hard to belive that hiring a lawyer would be cheaper or any more effective than just taking your lumps and going to traffic school
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Differences in speed is what is dangerous. On a 65mph highway, one guy doing 90 while everyone else is doing 65 is a problem. On a theoretical road with a speed limit of 100mph, all of those Toyota Tercels that can only go a max of 65mph -- that also is a problem.

Generally, what I've noticed here in the Bay area, if you are going with the flow of traffic, whatever speed that is, the cops will not mess with you. If you are changing lanes and darting between cars, then you will get your share of attention.
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I cant do the traffic school since I already did that earlier in the year. This time around I will probably try to some other methods.
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I find it really hard to belive that hiring a lawyer would be cheaper or any more effective than just taking your lumps and going to traffic school
A friend of mine has used the lawyer 3 times, and he got one of those tickets while the one before it was still being processed. Lawyer won each time, no school, no points.

*edit: it might not always be cheaper, but it's a toss up if the lawyer fees are somewhat higher than the ticket then you either take the class etc., or you pay the lawyer and avoid all that hassle and hope they win cos if they don't then you'll also pay the ticket fee.
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      07-10-2007, 12:33 PM   #77
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Absolutely amazing!

Every speeding ticket is bullshit?
Cops are pissed because you're going faster than them?
Judges are biased and take the cops word?


I've only had a couple speeding tickets, and I was annoyed both times... but both times I was SPEEDING.

Grow up, accept some responsibility in life and stop sniveling. If you drive fast in a BMW you're going to get tickets.
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I love the post by members hating on the guy. Guess what you guys know what this thread is about just by the title. You know what it is about after reading the first post.

You don't agree with him and have no advice then dont post.

Also dont give that shit about wasting tax money. Why dont we get rid of the stupid death penalty in which criminals spends upwards of millions due to appeals.

Fight it if you want. I have one ticket, didnt fight it. I regret it because I could have lowered it I bet.
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      07-10-2007, 12:55 PM   #79
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I find it really hard to belive that hiring a lawyer would be cheaper or any more effective than just taking your lumps and going to traffic school
I know people "fight" their tickets not because of the fine or points with the ticket itself, it is with the insurance premium increase that comes after in the next 3 - 7 years.

If you take those insurance premium increase into account, you will "go to the ground" for every ticket you get.

Yes, you deserve to get your lumps by paying the fine, but not the future payouts to the corporate bandits.
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Paced means they were basically following you, if you try to go to court you will lose. Ive been to traffic court numerous times (three times in the past 2 years) and the judge is always biased, he will take the cops word over yours, if your lucky he might lower your fine a little bit if you are a first offender. Id just pay the fine, save yourself the hassle and try to drive slower next time.
I think you're wrong. When I was 22 I got stopped and was charged with the following:

- Speeding / Reckless Driving (20mph over posted limit)
- DUI (I wasn't drunk, had 2 beers)
- Possession of Marijuana
- Driving on an Expired Rejection Sticker (State Safety Inspection)
- Driving on a Suspended License
- Driving without an Operators License
- Failure to Appear (missed on of the court dates associated with these)

When all was said and done...ALL charges were dropped except the Reckless Driving, which was reduced to speeding. The officer and the prosecutor were made to look like fools. I engineered my own defense using a court-appointed attorney, a friend, and the 5th amendment.
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I find it really hard to belive that hiring a lawyer would be cheaper or any more effective than just taking your lumps and going to traffic school
Generally, the ticket will evaporate 100%. It's as if it never happened. This is why I'll hire a traffic attorney. They can sometimes be miracle workers.

When "LAW Enforcement" is much more akin to "Revenue Generation?" I'd much rather protect my own interests in the long run...

Even at $1000 you could be saving money over the next few years depending on your driving record, Insurance company etc.

I am not speaking hypothetically. I have a "Perfect" driving record, 3 tickets over the last 5 years. All of them evaporated 2 of them dismissed outright, one traffic school that has since fallen from my record. Simply put 90% of the LEO's out there writing tickets do NOT follow the letter of the law. There is a lot of wiggle room assuming you weren't doing anything too stupid, IE Construction Zone, DUI, etc...
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Beating tickets is important here in Virginia now...15 over the limit gets you an additional $1050 "tax" added to whatever the courts give you. The politician that stuck this into a bill that was passed is a partner in the law firm that does collections for the state's traffic violation payments.

wtf.

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/18/1818.asp
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Beating tickets is important here in Virginia now...15 over the limit gets you an additional $1050 "tax" added to whatever the courts give you. The politician that stuck this into a bill that was passed is a partner in the law firm that does collections for the state's traffic violation payments.

wtf.

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/18/1818.asp
That sucks. I'd urge everyone in VA to fight the ticket, and clog up the court system by demanding a jury trial.
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dunno about in other states, but they can pace you in california.

and it's not an easy ticket to fight. police officers are considered professionals when it comes to traffic related items, so the probability will be high that the judge takes his word over yours. so you got to have a very solid case to prove your innocence or hope he doesn't show up.
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If speed limits were not set artificially low is the first place, people would be able to drive at a reasonable speed with out worrying about constantly getting tickets.
"artificially" low.
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I think you're wrong. When I was 22 I got stopped and was charged with the following:

- Speeding / Reckless Driving (20mph over posted limit)
- DUI (I wasn't drunk, had 2 beers)
- Possession of Marijuana
- Driving on an Expired Rejection Sticker (State Safety Inspection)
- Driving on a Suspended License
- Driving without an Operators License
- Failure to Appear (missed on of the court dates associated with these)

When all was said and done...ALL charges were dropped except the Reckless Driving, which was reduced to speeding. The officer and the prosecutor were made to look like fools. I engineered my own defense using a court-appointed attorney, a friend, and the 5th amendment.
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I think you're wrong. When I was 22 I got stopped and was charged with the following:

- Speeding / Reckless Driving (20mph over posted limit)
- DUI (I wasn't drunk, had 2 beers)
- Possession of Marijuana
- Driving on an Expired Rejection Sticker (State Safety Inspection)
- Driving on a Suspended License
- Driving without an Operators License
- Failure to Appear (missed on of the court dates associated with these)

When all was said and done...ALL charges were dropped except the Reckless Driving, which was reduced to speeding. The officer and the prosecutor were made to look like fools. I engineered my own defense using a court-appointed attorney, a friend, and the 5th amendment.
So you are PROOF the system sometimes fails it's citizens... Sounds like earned EVERY little last bit of it...
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"artificially" low.
I think Artificially LOW means a limit set below the 85th Percentile... Something like that.

There is some legitimacy to the notion, and it's an effective defense if you can prove the 85% of the traffic moves at a greater than posted speed on a regular basis.. I think.... It's all hearsay and such, I'm pretty sure I herd that this is how it works, and it is how speed zones get adjusted.

The notion that reduced speed limits save lives is a crock... Making a drivers license MUCH MUCH harder to obtain and require some REAL driver training... THIS would make the roads a safer place...

It's the same as all of your passing zones disappearing around the country... I see more and more NEW double yellows every time I am out in the country. It's gotten to the point where they aren't even to be taken seriously in some areas.
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