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      03-20-2012, 04:25 PM   #89
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All you Shit Talking ADV.1 HATERS... Enough with the Blah Balh Bullshit!!!!

I personally like the whole FUCK YOUR WHEELS.COM idea… & I don’t even own a set of ADV.1s…

Shit Talk Dictionary: Shit talking occurs when people have too much free time on there hands (see: Not Having a Life) and put down others...
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      03-20-2012, 04:51 PM   #90
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I've took a look at ADV1's wheels before and I noticed something that didn't look right to me. There register is not thick enough. When you put a 3 piece wheel together your register should be thick enough to lock your inner barrel and outer lip together. There register barely fits in the outer barrel. What this means is that all your cars weight is riding on your assembly bolts and not the center of the wheel. Two thing can happen with defect, your bolt snap or your inner and outer barrels crack around the assembly bolts. You could fix the inner barrel but more then likely it going to happen again. Its like riding on wheels without hubcentric ring, all the weight is on your lug nuts.

Instead of TRAKSPEC it should be CHECKSPEC
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      03-20-2012, 05:31 PM   #91
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      03-20-2012, 06:05 PM   #92
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This is a funny analogy to me. When Dell has a recall, I don't think they immediately point the finger at their supplier. It is bad business. It is unprofessional.

Most goods we buy these days have one or more suppliers not necessarily the company selling. If my DCT has mechanical issues, is BMW going to jump on the forum and blame Getrag? Probs not. And I'm not going to be calling their customer service; I'll be calling BMW's. I'll be complaining about BMW not doing enough R&D, testing, etc. It'll taint my view of BMW, who is again the ultimate assembler, seller, and owner of the product - just like you.
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      03-20-2012, 06:29 PM   #93
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A couple of things I still have to state!

- yes ADV say it has been replaced! but in a matter of failure of the wheel being SUCH a huge defect I don't think a delay can be tolerated

- warranty on wheels are important! but not cracked parts and actual pieces of the wheel flying off is NORMAL by any standards.

- again I have to State the only reason why I have put up with this is because of the good relationship and service from Pyspeed (ADV you should thank them)

- I think every on the forum has bought an aftermarket wheel in the past! please don't start by potholes, road conditions, how this wheel was being used. this is not what we want to hear.

- I personally don't know anymore who would spend over 10K on wheels would feel safe in their Ferrari, Lambo, Buagatti, especially traveling at those speeds.

again I'm a very reasonable person why ADV guys its too much this time!

personally when some like this happens I don't care if Jordan has to drive 300 miles himself to pick up the parts! it has to be done.

BTW: this news WILL hit the China BMW forums today just because I still yet haven't seen a tracking no. on the replacement parts (are you guys serious) I wonder how people in China in their highend cars would feel?! maybe the potholes in China and better or friendlier then the ones in Taiwan?

ADV: handle this NOW!
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ive already re-posted this shit onto many Asian forums and Korean ones. ADV.1's rep is fucked and Im glad to see them burn down like 360Forge did. As if you didn't learn the 1st time around Jordan.
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ive already re-posted this shit onto many Asian forums and Korean ones. ADV.1's rep is fucked and Im glad to see them burn down like 360Forge did. As if you didn't learn the 1st time around Jordan.
damn... that jordan guy mustve fucked you over before... but yea i heard about 360forge and this jordan guy being involved in some shady business... thats why i stay with JDM wheels!
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      03-20-2012, 07:26 PM   #97
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Wheels fail people...all manufacturer have wheel failures. Well known companies who I personally know have had catastrophic failures on the track: SSR, HRE.

The question is why, and what corrective action will be taken by the manufacturer. People need to keep that in mind before grabbing their pitch forks.
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It's a 22" step lip...forged or not, things will happen.

With that said, forged wheels are over-hyped and over-priced. Kind of like CF.
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Let's assume that what adv is saying its true
How could they have better handled this?
They are replacing the part AFTER the warranty had expired
And if you don't have stock, you don't have stock
Irrespective of the urgency of the failure, you still don't have stock

Had they said the warranty is expired sorry
I would have understood this even of animosity from you guys

Shit fails
Have people stopped buying 335i after the HPFP issues?
As long as the manufacturer rectifies the issues, I'm ok with that.
If you want the ultimate safety, maybe riding on 22s isn't exactly the best option
Stick with OEM

No offense to the OP
But if I'm worried about safety, and I want the ultimate reliability?
I would not go to after market wheels
Simple as that
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      03-20-2012, 07:50 PM   #100
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Well said and might be the most level headed response so far.

Michael

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Let's assume that what adv is saying its true
How could they have better handled this?
They are replacing the part AFTER the warranty had expired
And if you don't have stock, you don't have stock
Irrespective of the urgency of the failure, you still don't have stock

Had they said the warranty is expired sorry
I would have understood this even of animosity from you guys

Shit fails
Have people stopped buying 335i after the HPFP issues?
As long as the manufacturer rectifies the issues, I'm ok with that.
If you want the ultimate safety, maybe riding on 22s isn't exactly the best option
Stick with OEM

No offense to the OP
But if I'm worried about safety, and I want the ultimate reliability?
I would not go to after market wheels
Simple as that
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      03-20-2012, 07:58 PM   #101
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this is why i'll never do aftermarket wheels.. what's the point?!
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      03-20-2012, 08:16 PM   #103
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Let's assume that what adv is saying its true
How could they have better handled this?
They are replacing the part AFTER the warranty had expired
And if you don't have stock, you don't have stock
Irrespective of the urgency of the failure, you still don't have stock

Had they said the warranty is expired sorry
I would have understood this even of animosity from you guys

Shit fails
Have people stopped buying 335i after the HPFP issues?
As long as the manufacturer rectifies the issues, I'm ok with that.
If you want the ultimate safety, maybe riding on 22s isn't exactly the best option
Stick with OEM

No offense to the OP
But if I'm worried about safety, and I want the ultimate reliability?
I would not go to after market wheels
Simple as that
things fail! agreed! what is a wheel warranty? this was on the car for less then 1 year! I think BMW or 335i has a warranty longer then 1 year?

replacement parts not in stock! Granted and agreed but I wasn't the one who said 3 weeks for replacement parts

ADV said NOT me! and now its been 5 weeks. So whats up?
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      03-20-2012, 08:23 PM   #104
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Well said and might be the most level headed response so far.

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wow unbelievable response
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I agree with that, but the fist thing ADV.1 did was to blame it on possible potholes and abusive driving. After some back and forth we finally found out there was a problem with manufacturing...
I agree. Having worked in customer service, and as a result public relations, my entire career I can confidently say that there are some valuable lessons to be learned here.
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I think everyone who thinks "ADV.1 blamed potholes" miss interpreted what Matt was saying -- granted he didn't communicate it very well and timing was off.

I'm pretty sure what he was trying to say is that without proper analysis of the failure, it could have been anything from potholes to off-roading to defects.

Like most manufacturers these days, parts are sourced from all over the world. Take a peak inside your iPad and you'll see parts from China and the US. Then look at your BMW/Mercedes and you might notice not everything is from Germany.

Point being, it's hard for your products to be 100% all the time, just look at the many failures of popular products out there today. Sometimes you have no control over the raw materials and supplies you receive and you just have to trust that the manufacturers of those parts are doing their job.

So far, out of the hundreds of wheels ADV.1 has made, I've only heard of this failure. Yes it sucked and yes it was dangerous, but I'm 100% positive ADV.1 is standing by their product and resolving this issue ASAP.

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I agree. Having worked in customer service, and as a result public relations, my entire career I can confidently say that there are some valuable lessons to be learned here.
agreed!
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Why is this unbelievable? The post was unbias and seemed to understand both sides of the picture.

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I agree things fail all the time, and that's how products get better. But when you make something that is incorrect from the beginning, get warned about it, have failures and still refuse to rectify the problem. WHO'S Fault is that. Adv1 makes nice looking wheels, they really do. But In fact the actual quality is sub par on their best day. They could have EASILY fixed the issue by changing their machining program but decided not to. This problem is frustrating because it puts people's lives at risk all because someone is either A. Lazy or B. pinching pennies not wanting to machine new centers. Mike from Triangle in a very professional way stated that "I'm not going to throw you under the bus but... I fucking told you".
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I think everyone who thinks "ADV.1 blamed potholes" miss interpreted what Matt was saying -- granted he didn't communicate it very well and timing was off.

I'm pretty sure what he was trying to say is that without proper analysis of the failure, it could have been anything from potholes to off-roading to defects.

Like most manufacturers these days, parts are sourced from all over the world. Take a peak inside your iPad and you'll see parts from China and the US. Then look at your BMW/Mercedes and you might notice not everything is from Germany.

Point being, it's hard for your products to be 100% all the time, just look at the many failures of popular products out there today. Sometimes you have no control over the raw materials and supplies you receive and you just have to trust that the manufacturers of those parts are doing their job.

So far, out of the hundreds of wheels ADV.1 has made, I've only heard of this failure. Yes it sucked and yes it was dangerous, but I'm 100% positive ADV.1 is standing by their product and resolving this issue ASAP.

Michael
not everything is 100% agreed!

standby what is agreed on when a defect happens! replacement in 3 weeks!

its been 5 weeks this week and I can tell you I won't see the replacements tomorrow or friday.

step up to the plate! hit a home when the game is on the line
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