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      03-18-2012, 11:47 PM   #45
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No it does not.
it gets the mct
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      03-19-2012, 12:54 AM   #46
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Ok. My race car driver friend.. I think we can both agree that the M3 is much more of a 'race car' than the C63. That was his point,.

OK, fair enough. Didn't mean to be so pedantic about it.
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      03-19-2012, 03:29 AM   #47
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No it does not.
it gets the mct
Correct, which is not a dual clutch unit. I don't know the specifics, something about a "wet pack" instead of torque converter. I'm sure someone else with more knowledge can elaborate.
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The transmission updates are big news. It had Speedshift programming before, but now it's the MCT version — a multi-clutch setup with a wet startup clutch, so you don't have the slush (losses) of a torque converter. And since it has a manual mode, just no third pedal, it will perform as well (likely better) as a gearbox with a clutch pedal...I believe 100-ms shifts, far quicker than a human can change gears with a clutch pedal.
If only we could have the wagon in the US... but at least the power domes are back!
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This thread gave me an excuse to watch this again:



"The M3 did it in 2 minutes 38.9. How can you argue with that?"

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      03-19-2012, 06:08 AM   #50
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This thread gave me an excuse to watch this again:



"The M3 did it in 2 minutes 38.9. How can you argue with that?"

All of us know that the m3 gets better track time
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Those cabriolets are porkers! I love the GTR.. I think its an amazing machine and for the money, nothing touches it. The backseats are totally worthless, shocking as the car is fucking big. I also find it strange looking. Basically I want a car that is as subtly sexy as the e92m3 and as fast as the GTR for less than 100k. lol. I think the 370z with factory bodykit looks slick, I wish they'd slap a turbo on that thing and it'd be a slick car.
I totally agree with you on those points. Though I do think the GTR looks unique and good. And you are right the GTR is a HUGE car. Back seats are worth less but the trunk in that car is awesome. Two sets of golf clubs go in there with no problem. I also like the 370z but just slapping a turbo on it wont help that car. I have seen several people do that only to sell it and buy a GTR. Like I said earlier the combo of AWD-Dual Clutch Trans-Electronics-V6 TT and how it works together is what makes the GTR killer. I just wish the interior would mirror its now 100k price.
BTW back in 2009 when they arrived here in the states at the intro price of 70k plus freight and options it was the performance deal of the year which is why I bought back then. But now just 4-5 model years later it has jumped almost 30k in price to near 100k. I think that is the highest manufacturer price bump I have ever seen.
Another GTR tidbit: did you know the GTR has 6 drive shafts?
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Prices goes up due to currency
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Weird he's not in here yet defending his car.
I think by now he's come to the conclusion that it is better to not waste his breathe because 3/4 of the people that posted in this thread are fanboys(and probably range from the ages of 16 to 21) and there is no use in trying to have a discussion with a fanboy. The 2012 C63 has made huge strides as the suspension has been tweaked and revised.

You can't go wrong with either one, really.

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I think by now he's come to the conclusion that it is better to not waste his breathe because 3/4 of the people that posted in this thread are fanboys(and probably range from the ages of 16 to 21) and there is no use in trying to have a discussion with a fanboy. The 2012 C63 has made huge strides as the suspension has been tweaked and revised.

You can't go wrong with either one, really.
Cant agree more. How many of you guys have really test driven one of the c63 before you made the conclusion? Somesay C63 feels like a boat and i right away know thats a bs. Dont get me wrong, im not a hater of m3 but just wanna respect every competitor of m3. Not just say oh m3 is the best all day long....
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I think by now he's come to the conclusion that it is better to not waste his breathe because 3/4 of the people that posted in this thread are fanboys(and probably range from the ages of 16 to 21) and there is no use in trying to have a discussion with a fanboy.
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Cant agree more. How many of you guys have really test driven one of the c63 before you made the conclusion? Somesay C63 feels like a boat and i right away know thats a bs. Dont get me wrong, im not a hater of m3 but just wanna respect every competitor of m3. Not just say oh m3 is the best all day long....
I mean this is all matter of opinion really. There is no RIGHT answer. Like I mentioned, the handling did surprise me given everyone rags on it but the M3 is superior in that regard. Just as the c63 is superior in comfort and torque.
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I love how folks slam the C63's suspension... they probably never drove one on the track, and most likely they never drove on a track with any car.

The new C63 is actually tons of fun on the track... but what do I know.
Yeah, C63 suspension to me is even stiffer then the m3
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your car is faster than a non-p31 package c63.
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I love how folks slam the C63's suspension... they probably never drove one on the track, and most likely they never drove on a track with any car.

The new C63 is actually tons of fun on the track... but what do I know.
Look, I don't have to make out with a dude to know I don't like it.
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your car is faster than a non-p31 package c63.
I want that CLS Though I wonder how the new M6 will stack up to it.
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Its a comparison between street legal, from the factory performance vehicles. Of course they are not thoroughbred race cars. Who would want to drive that to work everyday? thats why the key word in my statement was "modified," meaning altered or changed. Had the vehicle been developed as a race car and left the same, it would not be as appealing to drive everyday. The C63 just seemed as an afterthought type performance vehicle (not the best balance between luxury and performance, to much luxury feel). The M3 is a much better balance between luxury and performance (plenty of performance with just enough luxury to make you want to drive it everyday).
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Its a comparison between street legal, from the factory performance vehicles. Of course they are not thoroughbred race cars. Who would want to drive that to work everyday? thats why the key word in my statement was "modified," meaning altered or changed. Had the vehicle been developed as a race car and left the same, it would not be as appealing to drive everyday. The C63 just seemed as an afterthought type performance vehicle (not the best balance between luxury and performance, to much luxury feel). The M3 is a much better balance between luxury and performance (plenty of performance with just enough luxury to make you want to drive it everyday).
The C63 is louder. The C63 has a firmer ride. Other than a nice looking interior, I would say the C63 is LESS luxury.

IMO the M3 is actually the more comfortable car to drive day to day. The C63 isn't uncomfortable by any means but the M3 is better. One thing the M3 does really well (among others) is that it can go from being very docile to a screamer... the C63 is more intense all of the time which isn't necessarily always a good thing. It's great when you want to play a bit and have fun but not as good for the days you just want to relax and cruise home.

I'm curious why you would say the C63 is more luxurious other than that would be the reputation that MB would have as a company?

P.S. I am now only ever going to post when I can put down the C63... otherwise, I'm staying quiet
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as far as driving goes, nothing beats M (thats why i have an X5M), and i would agree the M3 is a much better car in every aspect except the interior. However, i would take a C63 over an M3 10/10 times, but thats just me.
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The C63 is louder. The C63 has a firmer ride. Other than a nice looking interior, I would say the C63 is LESS luxury.

IMO the M3 is actually the more comfortable car to drive day to day. The C63 isn't uncomfortable by any means but the M3 is better. One thing the M3 does really well (among others) is that it can go from being very docile to a screamer... the C63 is more intense all of the time which isn't necessarily always a good thing. It's great when you want to play a bit and have fun but not as good for the days you just want to relax and cruise home.

I'm curious why you would say the C63 is more luxurious other than that would be the reputation that MB would have as a company?

P.S. I am now only ever going to post when I can put down the C63... otherwise, I'm staying quiet
It is not more luxurious, just more luxury feel getting in the way when trying to track the car. To be more specific, it doesn't marriage the cars handling with power. Hence the reason I stated that it seemed like an afterthought. IMO
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