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      03-18-2012, 11:24 PM   #221
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So where are they @? Priority mail takes five days - coming by boat?
Guys we have no control over how quickly the documents are processed at TUV. It's not exactly a small operation over there but our paperwork has been filed, we're just waiting to have it processed and sent back.
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Thanks. All we can do is help to educate people. There's a lot of marketing hype and there's fact. It's up to you as the consumer to do your own research.
Couldn't have said it better.

Sad thing is a lot of these new "wheel" companies exist only because they target the uneducated and the "baller" celebrity crowd that most don't know jack about cars besides what looks nice and what's expensive must be good mentality.

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Would have to agree with your statement. There is no correlation between "expensive" and "good" in the wheel industry.
Or anything in life for that matter! Im glad to see you guys have SAE certs seeing as how I live in the US!
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[quote=**********;11613132]Correct. We are not TUV certified. We have SAE J2530 certification.



1. Only the VS8.2 has certification. The MS8 and MS10 are tested via FEA only. The load rating on our 3PC is over 800kg per corner and they are being used on a 650kg per corner vehicle. Certifying and testing 3PC is a very complicated and prolonged process. Even if you change the profile for a less or more concave/conical/flat profile you`ll have to retest and recertify. I can attest that no one in the wheel industry will test and certify all of their fitments, profile, design combinations. It's simple impossible on a 3PC program. If you ever get the chance to compare one of our 3PC wheels next to our competitors, you`ll appreciate the quality difference.

Our FEA parameters are TUV-spec which are about 20% more abusive than SAE and are very very aggressive. We have yet to have a wheel that passed our FEA test and failed the physical testing. Why don't we have 20-30 wheel styles in 300 different configurations like other companies? Because it is very easy to loose track of quality and loose focus on engineering. When you buy our products you know it's been engineered by an actual graduated professional with a bachelors in Engineering, not a technician/designer that call himself an engineer, it has been tested, certified, track proven and best of all it has passed with flying colors the best test a wheel can go under, time. After 7 years of making forged wheels we have had ZERO catastrophic failures and only 0.6% of all wheels we have sold have experienced a bend or a crack. We are not saying our wheels are indestructible, because they could bend/crack like any other, but we make sure we do everything possible so that doesn't happen. They are very well engineered and that has been proven with time. That makes us proud.

2) Forged. The industry is changing and the market is spreading across two areas. We are introducing a flow formed product line shortly and perhaps we`ll bring the SpunForged name back.



Others should take a lesson, props MORR and keep up the awesome work.
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Now THAT'S a certificate!


also, i'm glad they're clearly sayin the wheels r forged, which's wut i've always believed them 2 be.
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      03-24-2012, 07:00 PM   #227
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I found this thread today and read it all the way through. I guess I have some lucky timing. I'm glad I chose MORR.
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Morr,

Thanks for following up. Just to clarify the 20" VS8.2 are forged just like how wheels like Volk TE37, BBS RGR, BBS FI are? The word "forged" gets thrown around loosely on this forum so I just want to be clear.

I've had two of your vendors tell me they aren't when I pm'ed about them. I just want to be clear with this because I've seen companies come out with a wheel name for example "megaforged" TM name on a cast wheel misleading buyers it's a forged wheel.

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Just sent you guys an email
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Thanks mate, Im just looking around for CSL style wheel options. Take your time Cheers
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Good to have you on the phone Alan. Feel free to call again for anything else you need.
Same here and thanks for clearing things up. Looks like I will be getting me some MORR mods in the near future

Send me those pics when you have a chance.

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Same here and thanks for clearing things up. Looks like I will be getting me some MORR mods in the near future

Send me those pics when you have a chance.

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      03-25-2012, 12:39 PM   #233
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Right there under wheel testing in the HRE statement it says not every style and fitment is tested. So all the fancy photos and big long story to find out only "some" wheels are tested.

Same bs as other some other companies a big fancy article to tell you they have a certified management process. Which doesnt have a damn thing to do with wheel testing. I could see where this is misleading if other people cannot they are blind.
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Right there under wheel testing in the HRE statement it says not every style and fitment is tested. So all the fancy photos and big long story to find out only "some" wheels are tested.

Same bs as other some other companies a big fancy article to tell you they have a certified management process. Which doesnt have a damn thing to do with wheel testing. I could see where this is misleading if other people cannot they are blind.
Why the hate - They're not claiming anything they don't have. The certs right there.
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Why the hate - They're not claiming anything they don't have. The certs right there.

Your right the certification for 6 wheels and the management process. Is right there. They sell a lot more than 6 wheels.
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Yes but people only see the TUV and don't read the details and say. HRE wheels are TUV certified. I can find probably 50 comments on here that say just that. When in fact 6 HRE wheels are certified.

It is not lying but could definatly be misleading. like I said earlier not what they say it's what they don't say.
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Yes but people only see the TUV and don't read the details and say. HRE wheels are TUV certified. I can find probably 50 comments on here that say just that. When in fact 6 HRE wheels are certified.

It is not lying but could definatly be misleading. like I said earlier not what they say it's what they don't say.

I think somewhere (either in this thread or a similar one) it has been mentioned that not every wheel is TUV certified because that would be extremely expensive. You do not need to test every offset, rim size etc. as long as for each style (or similar enough styles), at least one wheel is tested. FEA can (assuming you know what you're doing) reasonably test the other sizes/offsets. Arguably, rim to rim, the amount of material and method in which they are produced does not vary greatly. As long as one rim passes certification, it does lend greatly to the notion that all rims produced by that manufacturer should also pass.

On the other hand, if a manufacturer has zero certifications, there are no ways to assess if ANY of its wheels are safe. Therefore third-party verification is necessary.

I don't think it's misleading, but rather that a lot people are not very bright. 6>0
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If it is true that they only have 6 TUV certified wheels, it is better than having an imaginary certificate on wheels that have never been tested.
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I think somewhere (either in this thread or a similar one) it has been mentioned that not every wheel is TUV certified because that would be extremely expensive. You do not need to test every offset, rim size etc. as long as for each style (or similar enough styles), at least one wheel is tested. FEA can (assuming you know what you're doing) reasonably test the other sizes/offsets. Arguably, rim to rim, the amount of material and method in which they are produced does not vary greatly. As long as one rim passes certification, it does lend greatly to the notion that all rims produced by that manufacturer should also pass.

On the other hand, if a manufacturer has zero certifications, there are no ways to assess if ANY of its wheels are safe. Therefore third-party verification is necessary.

I don't think it's misleading, but rather that a lot people are not very bright. 6>0
I agree with this 100% especially the last statement.

In regards to this what I understood about adv1's paper as someone who was in the know seemed to say it was a certificate of conformity I do not know but to me this would seem to me that at least that wheel conforms to TUV standards?

I am just interested to know if a wheel can conform to TUV standards or be TUV tested without the company's management process being TUV certified?

As someone said Most of us are in the US where SAE matters.
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I just read post #26. I did not realize that the conformity thing on the picture posted could be their own test or any other test such as SAE JWL. Now that I read this I see why the criticism on this topic. The last part I read was they said they were waiting on paperwork so I guess we will wait and see what happens.
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Wow I'm not going through all that bs. But I do not think that I defended the whole TUV thing and ADV1 i actually said it was misleading and they probably regret saying it.

But I do know that people are not lining up complaining about issues with their products. B

Hey you never know they screw up somebody has to sell wheels to their customers now the information is out there to what makes some people on this forum decide what wheels to buy.

I myself would never buy ADV1 wheels because the ones I would want I feel are priced to high. I would not buy hre either though.
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Just so NOBODY thinks HRE is trying to say all of our wheels are TUV certified, we’ll state it again. NOT ALL HRE WHEELS ARE TUV CERTIFIED. The certifications we show above show these 2 things:

1. Our Quality Management System is TUV certified – This is the hard part requiring the audit and adherence to a strict quality control process.
2. The certs for the wheels shows only that the P43 in that particular width, offset, diameter, etc. is TUV certified. This required 3 wheels to be tested; Radial fatigue, Cornering fatigue, Impact. This is one style in one specification, not 6 wheels. To TUV cert the P43 across all applications is a daunting and expensive process. We were just showing an example so you know what a genuine TUV wheel testing certification looks like.

Now all that being said, we have TUV certified dozens of wheels, usually in popular styles, like the P40 in several specifications for our popular fitments for Porsche, BMW, Audi, etc. Not all Porsches, not all BMWs, not all styles. Does this make sense?

NOW THIS IS IMPORTANT: Officially you’re not supposed to be able to have a TUV certified WHEELS WITHOUT the TUV certified FACILITY. However, many TUV vehicle registration stations will accept a TUV test cert of the wheel and never “bother to check” if the company itself holds a TUV certification. This is unfortunate as there is no guarantee that the quality of the wheel tested is representative of all the wheels manufactured (even of the same specification). If the company doesn’t have a professional QM system, the variability is simply unknown. HRE worked to get our COMPANY certified BEFORE we sent any WHEELS to certify so when we present a TUV wheel certification, it is all by the book.

We are also very careful to make sure what we say accurately represents the truth in what we do and in what is required. Lying or trying to trick people isn’t good for long-term business and we expect to be here a long time. So please don’t compare us to those that don’t care to tell the truth or simply don’t understand what is required. If we make a mistake, we are open about it. If we say something incorrect, please feel free to correct us.

Also, if you’re an industry person, as it is clear some of the newer members on this thread are, we think you should state your company and post as a company representative. HRE posts as HRE. We believe it helps all the members of this forum if everyone knows where the info is coming from, not just what is being said. We don’t care if you’re helping or bashing HRE and others, we’d just like to see you do it out in the open.
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