A shops response about KW.....

Nati Beastcat · 03-15-2012, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by scheherazade

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Originally Posted by Nati Beastcat

I Emailed a shop today about getting a KW sleeve over kit installed.. I removed their name from the email but wanted to get some others thoughts on this. KW is good enough to work with AMG but not this guy I guess.

"I can't send you quotes on the KW suspension as we won't install it. I
don't feel it is high enough quality to be associated with. I would be
happy to set you up with a Dinan or TC Kline Racing suspension, those I can
stand behind. I have seen too many owners unhappy with these lesser setups
long-term and end up changing them again at some point in the future."

what do you really say to that

ha ha ha oh well

My KW v3 was rusted in the first winter.
Springs were browned wherever they touched themselves.
The piston rod was pitted from rust in the area that never goes into the oil/gas seal.

They worked fine, but being 'stainless', I expected them to handle winter salt better than the usual stuff.

-scheherazade

That sucks. Only water my car see's is from the garden hose. Garaged winters.

DARK_M3 · 03-15-2012, 06:38 PM

They're high on VTEC and aren't thinking clearly.

CBS · 03-15-2012, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Nati Beastcat

according to that guy you don't know what your doing....

to bad your six hours a way!

6 Hours away?!? If I was 6 hours away from iND, they would have to kick me out every night and my Bank Account would be BUST!

Sorry, over reaction....need to buy more mods to calm me down!

Nati Beastcat · 03-15-2012, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CBS

6 Hours away?!? If I was 6 hours away from iND, they would have to kick me out every night and my Bank Account would be BUST!

12 hour round trip....

My brothers friend works at a bmw dealership.. gonna see if he'll do side work!!

mlai · 03-15-2012, 09:02 PM

Funny, I was asking about the KW V3 here locally with 3 different mechanics in Hong Kong, who have installed KW V3 on their clients vehicles. They told me the same thing about not recommending KWV3, even though they can source and install them. All of them mentioned that they have seen way too many KW kits suffering from oil leaks relative to others

And even funnier, they claim the they see similar problems with quite a few of AMGs here. I had no idea if those are from KW or now.......

In Extremis · 03-15-2012, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dark_knight

They're high on VTEC and aren't thinking clearly.

lmao

edu09 · 03-15-2012, 10:38 PM

I have the KW sleeve over kit on my car, no complaints at all, only good comments on it

jkim723 · 03-15-2012, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by **********s III

That's absolutely hilarious. And yeah, you're completely right, AMG Mercedes do in fact work with KW, for their suspensions, so this guys comment is completely incorrect in terms of quality, especially about a company who I believe is the best manufacturer of coilovers in the world. I mean hell, KW suspension is on the Viper ACR which just beat the Nurburgrings lap record, so there's got to be some quality in that right?

KW's not only working with production cars, but they're an OE supplier to Eibach, which ironically means that some of the springs they manufacture actually go into competitors coilover kits. Regardless, I think that statement is a bit ridiculous... Personally I wouldn't trust a guy who says that because clearly he doesn't sell KW, and possibly only sells TCK or Dinan items.

So Eibach uses KW springs in their coilovers?

Nati Beastcat, which shop are you talking about? I'm around the cinci area and want to avoid this shop lol.

kaiv · 03-16-2012, 01:48 AM

Lulz.

I was so happy and satisfied with the V2s on my E46 M3 ( ~3 year/50k miles) that I didn't think twice about buying V3s for my E90 M3. Great stuff. Nuff said.

Nati Beastcat · 03-16-2012, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by edu09

I have the KW sleeve over kit on my car, no complaints at all, only good comments on it

I was going back and forth on sleeve over kit / coil over. Actually saw your photos did a bit of reading and made the purchase!

Nati Beastcat · 03-16-2012, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jk5one3

So Eibach uses KW springs in their coilovers?

Nati Beastcat, which shop are you talking about? I'm around the cinci area and want to avoid this shop lol.

PM sent.... This is what happens when you provide bad customer service. One bad experience spreads like wildfire

RuthlessE90 · 03-16-2012, 07:43 AM

I don't mean to thread jack but that email is absolutely ridiculous......when installing the kw's sleeve kit do you install all new bolts too....?!!?

Nati Beastcat · 03-16-2012, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RuthlessE90

I don't mean to thread jack but that email is absolutely ridiculous......when installing the kw's sleeve kit do you install all new bolts too....?!!?

supposed to I believe. edu09 made a thread about his install you should probably read. http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=619215

GOVCO · 03-16-2012, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by mdosu

any shop is entitled to their opinion and can choose who they will provide vendor/sales services for. So like what you said, nothing you can do, if you really want KW, find another shop for the purchase and install.

I almost feel like this person has personal beef with KW in the past, or is fanatical TCK/Dinan vendor, sort of like asking KFC/Taco Bell/Pizza Hut to carry Coke products. They can say:

"I can't sell you Coke products as we won't source it. I
don't feel it is high enough quality to be associated with. I would be
happy to sll you Pepsi products, those I can stand behind. I have seen too many customers unhappy with these lesser beverages and end up buying Pepsi products at some point in the future."

you know same shit, different products

KFC/Taco Bell/Pizza Hut doesn't carry Coke products...screw that. I'm going to Chipotle. J/K

edu09 · 03-16-2012, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Nati Beastcat

supposed to I believe. edu09 made a thread about his install you should probably read. http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=619215

I dont think you need to install new bolts with this kit

edu09 · 03-16-2012, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Nati Beastcat

I was going back and forth on sleeve over kit / coil over. Actually saw your photos did a bit of reading and made the purchase!

You wont regret it! Post some pics when installed

Nati Beastcat · 03-16-2012, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by GOVCO

KFC/Taco Bell/Pizza Hut doesn't carry Coke products...screw that. I'm going to Chipotle. J/K

Stupid right... like walking into a steak house and saying cook mine rare please.. chef walks out and says uh no I don't like to cook rare steak because I think it taste like sh*t! Well done taste better we'll cook it like that.

lmao

HK8888 · 03-16-2012, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Nati Beastcat

"I can't send you quotes on the KW suspension as we won't install it.

What a joke.

M3PO · 03-16-2012, 11:35 AM

Another thrilled KW sleeve over customer here.

kitw · 03-16-2012, 04:45 PM

I think the KW sleeve kit is a little scary. KW uses a VERY small bump stop that is not appreciably stiffer than the large ones the car comes with. If you lower the car a lot, it has the potential to compress your expensive EDC shocks to the point of damage.

I don't think the sleeve kit is poorly built, I just think the design leaves something to be desired. I like the Ground Control and TC Kline design, they get the required additional travel from camber plates... (although I'm not really recommending the GC camber plates due to the issues they've been having.)

The KW sleeve kit can be set VERY low, and as a shop, I'd be worried about the liability of $3000 worth of EDC shops on a $899 sleeve kit.

Nati Beastcat · 03-16-2012, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by kitw

I think the KW sleeve kit is a little scary. KW uses a VERY small bump stop that is not appreciably stiffer than the large ones the car comes with. If you lower the car a lot, it has the potential to compress your expensive EDC shocks to the point of damage.

I don't think the sleeve kit is poorly built, I just think the design leaves something to be desired. I like the Ground Control and TC Kline design, they get the required additional travel from camber plates... (although I'm not really recommending the GC camber plates due to the issues they've been having.)

The KW sleeve kit can be set VERY low, and as a shop, I'd be worried about the liability of $3000 worth of EDC shops on a $899 sleeve kit.

I dont have edc. I see what your saying though

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DARK_M3 Banned Drives: 08 E90, 89 Grand Wagoneer Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: So Cal Posts: 1,294 iTrader: (3)	They're high on VTEC and aren't thinking clearly.
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kaiv Major Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,227 iTrader: (15)	Lulz. I was so happy and satisfied with the V2s on my E46 M3 ( ~3 year/50k miles) that I didn't think twice about buying V3s for my E90 M3. Great stuff. Nuff said.
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M3PO Colonel Drives: '08 IB E92 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: OC Posts: 2,580 iTrader: (6)	Another thrilled KW sleeve over customer here.
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kitw Colonel Drives: 2013 C4S cab/2014 535d Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 2,171 iTrader: (13)	I think the KW sleeve kit is a little scary. KW uses a VERY small bump stop that is not appreciably stiffer than the large ones the car comes with. If you lower the car a lot, it has the potential to compress your expensive EDC shocks to the point of damage. I don't think the sleeve kit is poorly built, I just think the design leaves something to be desired. I like the Ground Control and TC Kline design, they get the required additional travel from camber plates... (although I'm not really recommending the GC camber plates due to the issues they've been having.) The KW sleeve kit can be set VERY low, and as a shop, I'd be worried about the liability of $3000 worth of EDC shops on a $899 sleeve kit.
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