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      10-17-2011, 02:13 AM   #45
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I don't think there is any chance whatsoever that the next M3 will come close to that time.

While fun-factor still trumps 'ring times in my buying criteria, I will have a hard time stomaching a $35k luxury penalty when my car is getting destroyed on race tracks by Mustangs and Camaros.

BMW needs to get into the horsepower race. The S65 engine was a travesty, terrible fuel economy, no torque, overly complicated and a poor competitor to a corporate Ford V8 that costs half the price. The next engine needs to be nothing less than 450 hp/450 ft.lb with forged pistons and the ability to handle additional boost. Anything less than that and it will be immediately crossed off my list.

Why not? The M3 is always on par with the Carrera, which has beaten that car.
It has always been a good bit faster then the M5, which is already clocking 7:55 laps in traffic

The M3 makes 414 hp from a 4.0 liter. The motor was developed over 5 years ago.
The 2012 GT makes 420hp from a 5.0 liter.

BMW is winning that horsepower war, but in my eyes and what matters to me.

As far as the rest i'm x100 on you have clearly no clue what it takes to have fun in a car simply how you contradict yourself. Yes BMW, build low revving, bottom end torquey motors (because bottom end torque matters on a track) , mass produced V8's geared towards American roads for your cars, not the rev happy, lightweight, race bred motors similar to those found in GT3's, Ferrari's, Lotus',NSX-R's,Atoms, Lamorghini's etc. etc.
Remove the fun from the M3 and it'll be fun. .
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Wow the ZL1 continues to impress...

Lap times in for it at VIR have it beating a 2011 GTR ...

http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/virginia_international_raceway.html
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Video of it on the track here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5heLDdlJfbE&sns=em

Ps. Using the Bimmerpost app which doesn't let me add links that well.
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