What Israeli's really think of the US/Our Leaders

[stylinexpat]

Originally Posted by SehrSchnell

Well, to be fair.... Iran's leader calls for Israel to be wiped off the map. So yeah, I'd say that constitutes as a threat. And it IS proven that Iran sponsors terrorism around the world, and they were the driving force of insurgencies in Iraq. So to think that Iran is not a threat is foolish.

Didn't Israel call for an attack on Iran Who is the one these days that is calling for an attack on the other Who is the one who is killing scientists in Iran

I am in no way a fan of Iran but any neutral person with neutral thoughts knows that Israel is not neutral. All the things that Israel complains about of in regards to Iran it does its self. It complains about inspectors not being allowed in to Iran while it bars inspectors from entering and inspecting sites in Israel. It complains that Iran has nuclear weapons while it its self does not allow any inspectors to inspect its sites. The list goes on and on. Other countries in the region have and are allowed to have nuclear energy so why should Iran not be allowed to have it

[stylinexpat]

Originally Posted by ghosthi32

iran won't attack anyone. they are just trying to scare people. They are too smart to attack and lose power in Iran.

I don't think that they will attack anyone but want to be able to have the capability to be able to protect themselves in the even of a war or conflict which is perfectly normal. We saw what happened to Iraq and Libya because they were unable to protect themselves from their invaders. Israel also claims the right to have nuclear weapons along with other weapons as their right to protect themselves from others. Over the last few years we have seen Israel involved in a few wars and have seen them using their weapons to kill people but we have not seen Iran declaring war on others and using any weapons to kill others.

[Team Plutonium]

Originally Posted by stylinexpat

Didn't Israel call for an attack on Iran Who is the one these days that is calling for an attack on the other Who is the one who is killing scientists in Iran

I am in no way a fan of Iran but any neutral person with neutral thoughts knows that Israel is not neutral. All the things that Israel complains about of in regards to Iran it does its self. It complains about inspectors not being allowed in to Iran while it bars inspectors from entering and inspecting sites in Israel. It complains that Iran has nuclear weapons while it its self does not allow any inspectors to inspect its sites. The list goes on and on. Other countries in the region have and are allowed to have nuclear energy so why should Iran not be allowed to have it

For starters, Iran sponsors international terrorism, this is a proven fact, and in addition Iran knows no measure. Them having nuclear capabilities is just as bad as all the "lost" and unsecured nukes from the former soviet union.

[jasonX]

Originally Posted by SehrSchnell

For starters, Iran sponsors international terrorism, this is a proven fact, and in addition Iran knows no measure. Them having nuclear capabilities is just as bad as all the "lost" and unsecured nukes from the former soviet union.

Yeah, as it is proven fact that Israel's origins and creation was in large part due to Jewish/Zionist terrorism. The Irgun gang was rolled into the IDF as could be said for the Likud party, you know, the one Bibi heads.

If you want to stake claim that Iran knows no measure, lets take a look at a few events that unconditionally tied to Israeli leadership which highlight their despicable acts.

King David Hotel Bombing, Sabra-Shatila, Deir-Yassin, USS Liberty (most rational people don't buy the BS Story), Lavon Affair (False Flag that fortunately was uncovered - why we still align ourselves after this is insane).

Pot-Meet-Kettle. I'm certain Iran has some blood on their hands through proxies, but these were Israeli boots, and have no plausable deniability.

And speaking of no measure, how about Israel considering the Samson Option where they would Nuke European countries whom were non-actors? I don't recall Iran claiming they would Nuke anyone, nevermind countries whom weren't even involved. Remind me who's more dangerous? Remind me when was the last time Iran has stepped foot onto anyone elses land?

Oh, and in before the "but but but, wipe Israel of the map" that the propaganda machine tries to continuously lie about the translation.

[txz4]

Originally Posted by jasonX

Yeah, as it is proven fact that Israel's origins and creation was in large part due to Jewish/Zionist terrorism. The Irgun gang was rolled into the IDF as could be said for the Likud party, you know, the one Bibi heads.

If you want to stake claim that Iran knows no measure, lets take a look at a few events that unconditionally tied to Israeli leadership which highlight their despicable acts.

King David Hotel Bombing, Sabra-Shatila, Deir-Yassin, USS Liberty (most rational people don't buy the BS Story), Lavon Affair (False Flag that fortunately was uncovered - why we still align ourselves after this is insane).

Pot-Meet-Kettle. I'm certain Iran has some blood on their hands through proxies, but these were Israeli boots, and have no plausable deniability.

And speaking of no measure, how about Israel considering the Samson Option where they would Nuke European countries whom were non-actors? I don't recall Iran claiming they would Nuke anyone, nevermind countries whom weren't even involved. Remind me who's more dangerous? Remind me when was the last time Iran has stepped foot onto anyone elses land?

Oh, and in before the "but but but, wipe Israel of the map" that the propaganda machine tries to continuously lie about the translation.

Hind sight is supposed to be 20/20 but id say someone may be in need of some glasses.

The difference first off, is that not all Zionist supported the Irgun, many were content with being under martial law with no say in government forever. Dont forget that Arabs, Christians, and Jews were under martial law in Isreal and being pushed around by British Military leadership. The Arabs in the area at the time had NO issue with the Irgun getting the British out of there until the British started to leave in which the Arabs were pushed by the British leadership to feel as though they were being pushed out. No one asked Arabs in the area to stop doing anything, they simply got pissed that they didnt get anything out of the work that the Zionist did. Until that point they were united in getting the British out, similar to America under British control, no taxation without representation et all.

Everyone knows the King David bombing first off, was a bombing on British intelligence based in the Hotel and further they were told to abandon their post well beforehand. The British didnt take the Irgun seriously, and laughed at the notion of attack from the Irgun and they paid for it. Dont forget about the British capturing any opposition to martial law and hanging them without provocation.

[jasonX]

Originally Posted by txz4

Hind sight is supposed to be 20/20 but id say someone may be in need of some glasses.

The difference first off, is that not all Zionist supported the Irgun, many were content with being under martial law with no say in government forever. Dont forget that Arabs, Christians, and Jews were under martial law in Isreal and being pushed around by British Military leadership. The Arabs in the area at the time had NO issue with the Irgun getting the British out of there until the British started to leave in which the Arabs were pushed by the British leadership to feel as though they were being pushed out. No one asked Arabs in the area to stop doing anything, they simply got pissed that they didnt get anything out of the work that the Zionist did. Until that point they were united in getting the British out, similar to America under British control, no taxation without representation et all.

Everyone knows the King David bombing first off, was a bombing on British intelligence based in the Hotel and further they were told to abandon their post well beforehand. The British didnt take the Irgun seriously, and laughed at the notion of attack from the Irgun and they paid for it. Dont forget about the British capturing any opposition to martial law and hanging them without provocation.

LMAO I need some glasses... and the Pali's were working with the Irgun? I'll go and get you a sight dog.

From the late 30's - 40's the Irgun were responsible for THOUSANDS of Arabs murders through several bombings of marketplaces for example in Jerusalem, Haifa, Jaffa etc, Black Sunday, Damascus Gate, Alhambra & Noga Cinema, Serrani, King David Hotel, Deir Yassin, and I could list tons of others. Yeah, I'm certain the Arabs's were best of buddies while thousands were killed, and 100s of thousands fled the lands in fear or were uprooted by force.

I mean certainly, the ILLEGAL MASS IMMIGRATION of Jews from Europe whom have absolutely no roots to the land migrating to Palestine with the EXPRESSED INTENT to take the land from the Indigenous population wouldn't make them upset though, amirite?

Furthermore, you're despicable for evening attempting to defend the hotel bombing, I'm certain the innocent parties who were killed in that bombing had it coming though right?

[txz4]

Originally Posted by jasonX

LMAO I need some glasses... and the Pali's were working with the Irgun? I'll go and get you a sight dog.

From the late 30's - 40's the Irgun were responsible for THOUSANDS of Arabs murders through several bombings of marketplaces for example in Jerusalem, Haifa, Jaffa etc, Black Sunday, Damascus Gate, Alhambra & Noga Cinema, Serrani, King David Hotel, Deir Yassin, and I could list tons of others. Yeah, I'm certain the Arabs's were best of buddies while thousands were killed, and 100s of thousands fled the lands in fear or were uprooted by force.

I mean certainly, the ILLEGAL MASS IMMIGRATION of Jews from Europe whom have absolutely no roots to the land migrating to Palestine with the EXPRESSED INTENT to take the land from the Indigenous population wouldn't make them upset though, amirite?

Furthermore, you're despicable for evening attempting to defend the hotel bombing, I'm certain the innocent parties who were killed in that bombing had it coming though right?

Not sure where you get any of your thinking from... its certainly not based in logic or in truth. Pretty easy to see where your coming from here so i dont need to spell it out for anybody else.....

Never said the Arabs, Christians, or Jews in the area were friends you did. Last time i checked the British had control of the area in which you think was somehow pirated away from Arabs by Zionist. The British weren't fond of having Zionist there either, because they knew what freedom was and what was right based on the injustice happening in their respective homes in Europe, they knew Zionist wouldn't stand for it, while the Arabs in the Area had for years. Keep saying the Jews are responisble, last time i checked it was Britain who for all purposes OWNED the land you state was stolen. Looks like you should be pointing the finger somewhere else...

As far as the "terrorism" you think you have found you really need to check your sources and check history. the bombing of King David i went it the history of, you disagreed. Fine. But it doesn't change what actually happened. there are British intelligence reports that corroborate what im saying.... As far as Der Yassin goes its the same situation we have now. Instead of fighting in the Open, these fighters in the middle east prefer to fight and hide in the homes of theirs and others families using them as human shields. I never said it was right but what do you expect? there is a reason the Civil war in America took place on the outskirts of towns and not in the towns, because they didn't want the Innocent to get caught in the crossfire!!!! P.s. who armed the Arabs in Der Yassin, oh wait, the British. I said they Prodded Arabs into civil war and there you go, they were pissed at the Zionist and were going to be sure that if they couldn't get rid of them they were going to cause as many problems as possible on the way out that they could.

[jasonX]

Originally Posted by txz4

Not sure where you get any of your thinking from... its certainly not based in logic or in truth. Pretty easy to see where your coming from here so i dont need to spell it out for anybody else.....

Uhm, no. I posted actual events. Try again.

Originally Posted by txz4

Never said the Arabs, Christians, or Jews in the area were friends you did. Last time i checked the British had control of the area in which you think was somehow pirated away from Arabs by Zionist. The British weren't found of having Zionist there either, because they knew what freedom was and what was right based on the injustice happening in their respective homes in Europe, they knew Zionist wouldn't stand for it, while the Arabs in the Area had for years. Keep saying the Jews are responisble, last time i checked it was Britain who for all purposes OWNED the land you state was stolen. Looks like you should be pointing the finger somewhere else...

Originally Posted by txz4

The Arabs in the area at the time had NO issue with the Irgun getting the British out of there until the British started to leave in which the Arabs were pushed by the British leadership to feel as though they were being pushed out.

I put these two together just to highlight how you want to talk about truth and logic and make this claim? It was Zioniest terrorism that displaced 100's of thousands of indigenous residents. The illegal migration that was supported byLehi/Irgun which brought tremendous amounts of violence to the region was directly responsible for mass murders, and the British vacating Palestine as they essentially deemed the territory was too hostile.

Please tell me how Zionist's successfully lobbied for more then 50% of Palestine land when Jews accounted for less then 1/3 of the population, which included illegal immigration by European Jews whom have NO ties to the land, whereas the indigenous Pali's who resided in the area for well over a thousand years and made up the majority of the population should get less then 50% of the population?

Year/Jews/Christians/Muslims/Total

1800 7 22 246 275
1890 43 57 432 532
1914 94 70 525 689
1922 84 71 589 752
1931 175 89 760 1,033
1947 630 143 1,181 1,970

numbers in thousands

SWEET DEAL SIGN ME UP! However, I'm certain you'll try to use your insane "logic" to justify this as well!

Originally Posted by txz4

As far as the "terrorism" you think you have found you really need to check your sources and check history. the bombing of King David i went it the history of, you disagreed. Fine. But it doesn't change what actually happened. there are British intelligence reports that corroborate what im saying....

Terrorism

1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

2. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government

You need to learn what terrorism means, Irgun was undeniably a terrorist organization. Or maybe you don't consider Hamas a terrorist organization when they shoot rockets into Israel since "because they knew what freedom was and what was right based on the injustice happening in their respective homes"

This is brainwashing at it's finest. One set of rules for Israel, another for everyone else.

[txz4]

Originally Posted by jasonX

Uhm, no. I posted actual events. Try again.





I put these two together just to highlight how you want to talk about truth and logic and make this claim? It was Zioniest terrorism that displaced 100's of thousands of indigenous residents. The illegal migration that was supported byLehi/Irgun which brought tremendous amounts of violence to the region was directly responsible for mass murders, and the British vacating Palestine as they essentially deemed the territory was too hostile.

Please tell me how Zionist's successfully lobbied for more then 50% of Palestine land when Jews accounted for less then 1/3 of the population, which included illegal immigration by European Jews whom have NO ties to the land, whereas the indigenous Pali's who resided in the area for well over a thousand years and made up the majority of the population should get less then 50% of the population?

Year/Jews/Christians/Muslims/Total

1800 7 22 246 275
1890 43 57 432 532
1914 94 70 525 689
1922 84 71 589 752
1931 175 89 760 1,033
1947 630 143 1,181 1,970

numbers in thousands

SWEET DEAL SIGN ME UP! However, I'm certain you'll try to use your insane "logic" to justify this as well!



Terrorism

1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

2. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government

You need to learn what terrorism means, Irgun was undeniably a terrorist organization. Or maybe you don't consider Hamas a terrorist organization when they shoot rockets into Israel since "because they knew what freedom was and what was right based on the injustice happening in their respective homes"

This is brainwashing at it's finest. One set of rules for Israel, another for everyone else.

...the last part in bold^ made me LOL, Most truthful thing you have said all night. Id say what you said above was "brainwashing" though lets not forget i am "despicable" LOL

You simultaneously say that you have the correct logic and base on truth yet you deny certain circumstances about every situation so long as its convenient for your case.

Another thing i notice is that in saying Palestinians were pissed about the 50/50 deal, your are saying that they were wronged yet you refuse to admit that the civil war leading to Der Yassin was caused by this civil war which was started by the Arabs in the area according to secular accounts.

You really need to understand more of World history to Understand why the British left.... The British left because they were blowing more and more money to keep control of a society that didn't want them and were being funded back home by someone who didn't car about the area either. They didnt leave because it was too hostile, this is a world superpower were talking about here, dont be glib. They left because it just wasn't worth spending the money on according to the people back home. This was all at a time were money was already tight due to the WWII.

I tell you what, if Hamas bombs military outpost and calls ahead to warn the people of the coming bomb detonation so as to only destroy the complex and not the people than you can compare the two. So long as Hamas is blowing up civilians by design, you cannot.

You seem to think that history dictates that there is entitlement of the land. Last time i checked i live in the USA not the United Native American Indian Tribes of America UNAITA....

Get over it. Jews have history there. Christians have history there. Arabs have history there....Get with the program. The only nations that are ALWAYS in disrepair in this age are middle eastern Arab countries with very few other randoms peppered in.

[TotalPower]

hot heads vs problem solvers. Will never work.

[stylinexpat]

Originally Posted by SehrSchnell

For starters, Iran sponsors international terrorism, this is a proven fact, and in addition Iran knows no measure. Them having nuclear capabilities is just as bad as all the "lost" and unsecured nukes from the former soviet union.

If Israel killed the scientists in Iran,along with the people in Dubai along with the computer virus attacks on Iran's Nuclear Plants those actions would also be considered International Terrorism. The people that were killed in International Waters off the cost of Gaza is also considered an act of international terrorism. In this case it is not like one side is innocent while the other side is guilty.

http://www.poica.org/editor/case_stu...?recordID=2055

[stylinexpat]

Originally Posted by jasonX

Uhm, no. I posted actual events. Try again.





I put these two together just to highlight how you want to talk about truth and logic and make this claim? It was Zioniest terrorism that displaced 100's of thousands of indigenous residents. The illegal migration that was supported byLehi/Irgun which brought tremendous amounts of violence to the region was directly responsible for mass murders, and the British vacating Palestine as they essentially deemed the territory was too hostile.

Please tell me how Zionist's successfully lobbied for more then 50% of Palestine land when Jews accounted for less then 1/3 of the population, which included illegal immigration by European Jews whom have NO ties to the land, whereas the indigenous Pali's who resided in the area for well over a thousand years and made up the majority of the population should get less then 50% of the population?

Year/Jews/Christians/Muslims/Total

1800 7 22 246 275
1890 43 57 432 532
1914 94 70 525 689
1922 84 71 589 752
1931 175 89 760 1,033
1947 630 143 1,181 1,970

numbers in thousands

SWEET DEAL SIGN ME UP! However, I'm certain you'll try to use your insane "logic" to justify this as well!



Terrorism

1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

2. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government

You need to learn what terrorism means, Irgun was undeniably a terrorist organization. Or maybe you don't consider Hamas a terrorist organization when they shoot rockets into Israel since "because they knew what freedom was and what was right based on the injustice happening in their respective homes"

This is brainwashing at it's finest. One set of rules for Israel, another for everyone else.

Those on their lands are being taken off their lands,having their homes demolished and replaced with new homes for those coming in from overseas. What they are saying is that land was not theirs to begin with. Unfortunately the Palestinians are not armed like the Israelis are so they are unable to defend themselves from their invaders and occupiers along with those that come in to steal their lands. The power balance is not properly balanced.

[stylinexpat]

There is more to it then just that. There are gas fields in Palestine off the Gaza coast that Israel has basically stolen and occupied just like the other lands. This article describes this pretty well.

http://www.currentconcerns.ch/index.php?id=701

[Rez]

Originally Posted by jasonX

It is disgusting to this day, that people still believe this propaganda.

The translation is more along the lines of "the regime that occupies Israel must be removed from the pages of history".

The context of Regime would be directed to the Zionist regime, probably moreso directed to the Likud party.

This garbage that the media and our bought and paid for political puppets just attempt to draw up support through Fear-Mongering. That translation at no point indicated they would destory Israel/kill the jews. Iran is home to the 2nd largest population of Jews in the MiddleEast second to Israel of course, and within the borders of Israel reside the 2nd or 3rd holiest site to Islam.

Wishing the collapse of the Zionist regime is similar to the West aiding in the collapse to other regimes in the MiddleEast. This is a nonstory fabricated to fit a bunch of chickenhawks narration.

Iran has not had a military campaign of aggression where they invaded another country for CENTURIES. You'd have to go back to the Persian Empire to possibly provide an example. Yet we are led to believe that their leadership is so nuts that they would immediately blow up Israel which would only lead to their own destruction right? How ridiculous is this logic? If you would like to speak of crazy leadership whom shouldn't have possession of Nukes go google the Samson Doctrine/Option.

All of this. Of course this too much of intelligent talk for the American audience these days.

Originally Posted by SehrSchnell

I wonder why half of the UN leaves the room when he gives a speech... all lost in translation then? All the EU sanctions against Iran unjust? Yeah, Iran is just misunderstood... Well, I'm glad the rest of the world sees it differently and takes action.

What happens when all of UN condemns Israel for its violations of human rights and crimes against humanity? More than 40 resolutions the highest against any country? Oh no problem the good ol US will veto them all, I am sure you got no problem with that.

Originally Posted by OldArmy

Poor misunderstood Iranians. I guess all those high-end IEDs they made and exported to kill Americans were really just a cry to be understood. Exporters of terror, an existential threat to Israel, 6th century religious whack jobs, agitators without a cause trying to become a player in the big game. Combine their words (nothing lost in translation) with a capability to put a nuc into Tel Aviv and it's time to whack a mole! Shut down the ports, take out the nuc facilities, cut off their oil exports and gas imports, lock down the banking and they'll be able to actually live in the past instead of just talk about it. Just a matter of time 'til they light off a sea-skimmer at one of our ships--they won't have to worry about the Jews.

They made IED's based on US reports, humm, same guys that blame whomever they want for anything. What proof do they really have? Big nothing. Plus if they made IEDs, what do we make? More than 5000 nuclear war heads, 50000lbs bombs, etc...The US military spending alone is more than half the world. Stop being parrot, time to wake up.
All this talk is just increasing the price of crude due to speculation, who benefits? Big old oil companies running this country. Listen to Ron Paul, the military industrial complex is not made up shit, it is all about the good ol $$$

[OldArmy]

Iran, what a great place! Where else can you get the death penalty just for being a christian? Perhaps we could also stop the vain attempts at establishing a moral equivalency between the U.S. and this backward, hate-filled historical dead end of a country. Not the same, can't be compared by rational humans, not in the same universe. For the persians, there's only one thing to be done with a rabid dog and it's getting close to that time.

[Rez]

LMAO, there is a reasonable christian community in Iran. Making up lies has never been so easy eh? Typical example of complete lie right there

[OldArmy]

Originally Posted by Rez

LMAO, there is a reasonable christian community in Iran. Making up lies has never been so easy eh? Typical example of complete lie right there

Try reading the news, it'll help you sound more intelligent. There are only a zillion news items out on this.

[hks786]

This is exactly what I was talking about previously. Sure Iran has their own problems. Please bear in mind though our muslim countries do have laws that are different from western laws. That is another topic completely. However, what happens in the media is that they spread lies about Iranian links to terror. It all comes back to this fake war on terror. They then couple this with examples of "human right violations" such as Iran hanging someone.

What about the new law in France that stops you from denying the genocide that took place in Armenia? Does that not breach freedom of expression?

http://www.aysor.am/en/news/2012/02/29/sarkozy/

What about the corruption in our western banks? We have failing banks that robbed us and we bailed them out and they are still posting losses of £2bn+ and their staff are rewarded with bonuses. Is this not corruption and oppressing the public? Of course it is but it will never attract the same attention as "Iranian terror links" and similar BS news stories.

In more recent news, America has threatened Pakistan with sanctions if they proceed with a gas pipeline with Iran. Why is this allowed? Is this not oppression? are these not the actions of a dictator? This is BS. The only reason people will justify this U.S. move is because it all comes back to the war on terror. Iran and Pakistan are dubbed terror states. Now we can say what we want about them and oppress them in any way we want to and say it is a reasonable measure in the war on terror. BS.

[jasonX]

Originally Posted by OldArmy

Iran, what a great place! Where else can you get the death penalty just for being a christian? Perhaps we could also stop the vain attempts at establishing a moral equivalency between the U.S. and this backward, hate-filled historical dead end of a country. Not the same, can't be compared by rational humans, not in the same universe. For the persians, there's only one thing to be done with a rabid dog and it's getting close to that time.

I don't know if someone could possibly be this stupid, or you're just trolling. Judging from the majority of your posts in these forums, I'd say the former.

Iran would have received a ridiculous amount of negative publicity if this ridiculous statement were true, as that would equate to the deaths of 300,000+ Christians in Iran.

Keep up the lies and fear mongering you Confederate Flag waving douchebag.

[txz4]

Originally Posted by jasonX

I don't know if someone could possibly be this stupid, or you're just trolling. Judging from the majority of your posts in these forums, I'd say the former.

Iran would have received a ridiculous amount of negative publicity if this ridiculous statement were true, as that would equate to the deaths of 300,000+ Christians in Iran.

Keep up the lies and fear mongering you Confederate Flag waving douchebag.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...n-in-Iran.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...nce-faith.html

[jasonX]

Originally Posted by txz4

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...n-in-Iran.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...nce-faith.html

Congrats, you sourced two ridiculous tabloid sources, try Faux News next.

The Daily Mail is a British daily middle-market[2] tabloid newspaper

Nevertheless, the ridiculous claim of being executed for being Christian would place 300,000+ residents at risk to being killed.

[txz4]

Originally Posted by jasonX

Congrats, you sourced two ridiculous tabloid sources, try Faux News next.

The Daily Mail is a British daily middle-market[2] tabloid newspaper

Nevertheless, the ridiculous claim of being executed for being Christian would place 300,000+ residents at risk to being killed.

Okay, here you go

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/02...ution-looming/

and

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/...n-middle-east/

there are literally hundreds more sources on line if your not happy with the daily mail/telegraph