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      02-08-2012, 05:32 PM   #1
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M 335d

Just ran into a guy who had the M logo all over his 335d. Told me how it was the same suspension and interior as the M3. Told me he could beat me in a race too. Thought it was quite hilarious.
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      02-08-2012, 05:44 PM   #2
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i wouldnt doubt a 335d with a tune would eat a stock m3, maybe even a stock 335d, 425flb of torque is huge compared to a stock m3,
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      02-08-2012, 06:26 PM   #3
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only with the M sport package....lol
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      02-08-2012, 06:44 PM   #4
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WELL good thing he didnt say he had ZCP package... i usually just nod my head and say yea wow thats crazy...


then maybe say well but its still a 335d though...
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335i/335d with tune can easily eat heavily modded NA M3, this is no doubt. But what it means same interior and suspension? The interior is supposed to be almost identical... I respect 335i as I owned before but some of the 335i owners are m3 haters just because they are jealous. M badge adds 30HP
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i wouldnt doubt a 335d with a tune would eat a stock m3, maybe even a stock 335d, 425flb of torque is huge compared to a stock m3,
How a 335d, with 265hp can beat an M3 with 414hp? Sure you can tune the 335d, but how much? There's a long way from 265 to 414.

ps: torque means it can pull stuff (including itself). hp means how fast it can pull stuff (including itself). sure a lot of torque gives advantage to average HP under the curve, but M3 has virtually flat torque curve with aggressive gearing which keeps it in the power band.
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In this case the "d" stands for douche...
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In this case the "d" stands for douche...
Or delusional
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Sounds bout right
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Probably a sleeper. I used to put 328i badges on my car and tell people it was a 328i with an M3 bodykit so they would race me.
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i wouldnt doubt a 335d with a tune would eat a stock m3, maybe even a stock 335d, 425flb of torque is huge compared to a stock m3,
Irrelevant. Never "eat" anything unless the "tune" got it close to 414hp. Gearing will make up for the crankshaft torque.
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depends if he was talking about on a track or in a straight line...the suspension and DCT alone is a huge asset on the track if you aren't a pro driver.
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Tell him to specify in writing that you're both racing stock cars and then race him for pinks
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How a 335d, with 265hp can beat an M3 with 414hp? Sure you can tune the 335d, but how much? There's a long way from 265 to 414.

ps: torque means it can pull stuff (including itself). hp means how fast it can pull stuff (including itself). sure a lot of torque gives advantage to average HP under the curve, but M3 has virtually flat torque curve with aggressive gearing which keeps it in the power band.
I agree completely, hp = torque X revs, and is a better way to measure performance in this situation. And lets not forget, a 335d with a tune was compared to a heavily modded NA m3 as well, not one with 414 hp.
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I had a clown tell me his stock 135i could take my M3...on the HIGHWAY!

morons...

Also, I had a 335d for a loaner when my car was getting service done, and while it was torquier than the M3, it definitely died down shortly after the peak torque rpm. Felt mad slow after that...
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Hi Everyone

OK here is a thread I have to comment on.

1. Don't run down the 335d until you have at least had one for a day or two, or better a year or two. I had mine for 18 months. It was wonderful, really something. Drove it at the track 5 or 6 times went really well.

2. A 335d is on the motorway for all reasonable purposes as fast as an M3, I know this because I good friend currently owns one, and we've tried it. The m3 is a wee bit quicker, but get it slightly wrong and nup. For those with a love of stats ref the 80-120 km/h numbers the 335d is in fact quicker.

3. The seats are different along with a whole lot of details (as we know), and the stereo much better (in NZ spec anyhow)

4. The handling is similar, but for me the M3 is better because as we all know it has m3 specific suspension, you just have to look underneath.

5. I went to the M3 for the LSD, Manual and sharp turn in that I wanted. And the bonnet looks cool plus I am a petrol head in a suit, M3 = perfect.

6. Yes my one was a M-Spec one which had an M logo on the boot from BMW NZ M style seats, steering wheel etc M sport suspension which means it sits a little lower (NOT to be confused with an M3!). (just like an S-Line Audi thats how they sell them here, so dont bother with the whole M car rant)

Summary, unless your a nut buy a 335d, and it would make a perfect car for my wife/family if I didn't need a big 7 seater.

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Hi Everyone

OK here is a thread I have to comment on.

1. Don't run down the 335d until you have at least had one for a day or two, or better a year or two. I had mine for 18 months. It was wonderful, really something. Drove it at the track 5 or 6 times went really well.

2. A 335d is on the motorway for all reasonable purposes as fast as an M3, I know this because I good friend currently owns one, and we've tried it. The m3 is a wee bit quicker, but get it slightly wrong and nup. For those with a love of stats ref the 80-120 km/h numbers the 335d is in fact quicker.

3. The seats are different along with a whole lot of details (as we know), and the stereo much better (in NZ spec anyhow)

4. The handling is similar, but for me the M3 is better because as we all know it has m3 specific suspension, you just have to look underneath.

5. I went to the M3 for the LSD, Manual and sharp turn in that I wanted. And the bonnet looks cool. and I am a petrol head in a suit.

6. Yes my one was a M-Spec one which had an M logo on the boot from BMW NZ and M sport suspension, seats steering wheel etc which means it sits a little lower (NOT to be confused with an M3!). (just like an S-Line Audi that how they sell them here, so dont bother with the whole M car rant)

Summary, unless your a nut buy a 335d, and it would make a perfect car for my family if I didn't need a big 7 seater.

cheers
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The 335d is not faster. It's a great car, but not up to the caliber of the E90/E92 M3. I own both and have driven both.
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Just ran into a guy who had the M logo all over his 335d. Told me how it was the same suspension and interior as the M3. Told me he could beat me in a race too. Thought it was quite hilarious.
Uhhh... no.
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Hi Everyone

OK here is a thread I have to comment on.

2. A 335d is on the motorway for all reasonable purposes as fast as an M3, I know this because I good friend currently owns one, and we've tried it. The m3 is a wee bit quicker, but get it slightly wrong and nup. For those with a love of stats ref the 80-120 km/h numbers the 335d is in fact quicker.
Just checked some dyno results of stock M3. It has >265hp after around 4500rpm. No way in hell, in any gear, you'll be that low after shifting at redline. In fact, you'll be around 6000rpm, which gives 330hp. So the M3s power band is between 330hp and 414hp, and you're saying a car with 265hp is faster? It won't in any gear.
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Hi David

Perfect garage I reckon, 335d + an M3! And I thought I was qualified to comment :-)

As per my post, the 335d isn't faster than an M3 in general, however I did find this stat: 4.0 sec verses 4.4 for 80-120, and I am sure you'd agree the 335d is outrageous when it comes to passing...my impression any how.

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" A 335d is on the motorway for all reasonable purposes as fast as an M3, I know this because I good friend currently owns one, and we've tried it. "

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