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      01-24-2012, 02:51 PM   #23
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Apex ARC8 is what you want. Hubcentric and also fits most BBKs. Weights under 20lbs and looks great!
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same material, different manufacturing process. the reason forged wheels are so expensive is not material, its time and time=money.
Here's a page from Rays website that explains their different manufacturing processes: http://www.rays-msc.com/html/jwl.html. The TE37SL uses their "Mold-form Forged" process.
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      01-24-2012, 05:44 PM   #25
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I really like the tire rack's TR Motorsport MT1's I bought for autocrossing, they're available in stock widths (need spacers) and 18x10 ET25 (don't need spacers). I really like the way they look on the car, very clean design and similar price to the Apex wheels. IMO there's no reason to blow a ton of money on track wheels unless you can't get them in the size you want or don't like the way the cheaper options look. For instance, if I wanted/needed a 10.5" wheel I'd be S.O.L. for a low-cost option because I don't like the way the ARC-8 looks, so I'd be looking at a CCW or similar to get an offset and width that make sense. Some of the offsets the off-the-shelf Japanese wheels come in don't make any sense to me. They don't center the wheel in the wheelwell to allow as much room as possible for tires, which many people prefer for looks, but gives up some flexibility especially if you are making a lot of power and need more rear tire

The tires are where the speed is and expensive wheels get scratched by the tire changers just like cheap ones
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      01-25-2012, 12:58 AM   #26
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I currently run TE37SLs for track / daily.

I'm contemplating one of two things...

1) Making the TE37s dedicated daily and getting APEX wheels for the track.
2) Making the TE37s dedicated track and getting MORR/ZCPs/??? for the street.

Decisions, decisions...
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I currently run TE37SLs for track / daily.

I'm contemplating one of two things...

1) Making the TE37s dedicated daily and getting APEX wheels for the track.
2) Making the TE37s dedicated track and getting MORR/ZCPs/??? for the street.

Decisions, decisions...
I vote for 2! MORR wheels look so nice.
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      01-25-2012, 04:05 AM   #28
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Wedssport wheels look awesome too!

Checkout Wedssport SA-55M.. I saw pictures of these wheels on an AW E90 M3, looks AMAZING
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      01-25-2012, 06:11 AM   #29
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Here's a page from Rays website that explains their different manufacturing processes: http://www.rays-msc.com/html/jwl.html. The TE37SL uses their "Mold-form Forged" process.
yea Ive read it before and they sugarcoated it pretty well, i just explained it more simply and less fancy nancy, basically instead of casting a raw piece of "aluminum" into a TE37, the cast it into the TE37 shape, then forge the last step to give it strength, and voila TE37 for cheap. While a original TE37 is forging from a raw piece of "aluminum" and then require machining and much more finishing in order to create the satisfied finish. Alot of these "forged" companies coming out use the previous method because most Chinese facilities use that method.

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I currently run TE37SLs for track / daily.

I'm contemplating one of two things...

1) Making the TE37s dedicated daily and getting APEX wheels for the track.
2) Making the TE37s dedicated track and getting MORR/ZCPs/??? for the street.

Decisions, decisions...
I used to use 20" BBS LM for street, and 18" Volk TE37 for track.
Now I use 20" BBS LM-R in Amuse offset for street, and 18" TE37 for posing so people think I track

its definetly very nice to have a very very quality wheel for the track. one of the reason I went for the TE37 instead of APEX was that the TE37 clears any BBK out there, and I did make a BBK upgrade, only 1 week after the arrival of my TE37s.

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      01-25-2012, 08:04 AM   #30
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yea Ive read it before and they sugarcoated it pretty well, i just explained it more simply and less fancy nancy, basically instead of casting a raw piece of steel into a TE37, the cast it into the TE37 shape, then forge the last step to give it strength, and voila TE37 for cheap. While a original TE37 is forging from a raw piece of steel and then require machining and much more finishing in order to create the satisfied finish.
Steel = Aluminum
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      01-25-2012, 08:49 AM   #31
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Steel = Aluminum
haha sorry slipped my mind, my family's business usually deals with steel forging press and rarely with aluminum press. they are vastly different.

ill correct my original post, so the M3 hounds wont eat me alive
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      01-25-2012, 10:29 AM   #32
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its definetly very nice to have a very very quality wheel for the track. one of the reason I went for the TE37 instead of APEX was that the TE37 clears any BBK out there, and I did make a BBK upgrade, only 1 week after the arrival of my TE37s.
I was under the impression the APEX wheels cleared Big Brake Kits? I'm running the ST-60s (380mm) up front and ST-40s (355mm) out back.

I guess my philosophy with track shit is that it gets abused. I'd rather have wheels I don't care *that* much about on the track so when it get's fucked up, I'm not THAT upset. =)
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      01-25-2012, 11:47 AM   #33
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I was under the impression the APEX wheels cleared Big Brake Kits? I'm running the ST-60s (380mm) up front and ST-40s (355mm) out back.

I guess my philosophy with track shit is that it gets abused. I'd rather have wheels I don't care *that* much about on the track so when it get's fucked up, I'm not THAT upset. =)
I don't think APEX wheels will clear Brembo 380mm F+R, which is what I have.

My philosophy is that when Im pushing the car to the limit on the track, I want to make sure none of my components will fail, because if it does, my life is over. On the street, you are never going fast enough for it to be a definite life threatening thing.
I am a baller M3 owner, I will never put cheap parts on my car, or cheap rims/tires. My Volks are cheap compared to my LM/LMRs so if it gets fucked, im not that upset.

BTW Ive fucked up wheels on the street, but Ive never fucked up my wheels on the track.

I tracked on Volks on my E46 M3, and over 20+ track days they balanced better over 60k+miles, than brand new cheap wheels. You cannot beat BBS/Volk, there is no way around it. Not even HRE are to that standard, yet. The only other wheel that is great for track and premium quality that I would put on my car, is Fikse.
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      01-25-2012, 07:08 PM   #34
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I believe in getting high quality wheels for track use.
TE37s are light and forged, can't go wrong.

Track wheels take a thrashing.
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      01-25-2012, 07:41 PM   #35
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Sportline wheels come in 18x9.5 ET22 which is great for a track wheel on the E9x M3 platform. They're Rotary Forged/Flow Formed which gives great strength (1600lbs load rating, just like the BBS CH-R), and is very lightweight at 21lbs exactly for the 18x9.5 ET22. They come at a great price point as well, very reasonable if you ask me, and for a track wheel, a great value.
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      01-25-2012, 11:26 PM   #36
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I was under the impression the APEX wheels cleared Big Brake Kits? I'm running the ST-60s (380mm) up front and ST-40s (355mm) out back.

I guess my philosophy with track shit is that it gets abused. I'd rather have wheels I don't care *that* much about on the track so when it get's fucked up, I'm not THAT upset. =)
I don't think APEX wheels will clear Brembo 380mm F+R, which is what I have.

My philosophy is that when Im pushing the car to the limit on the track, I want to make sure none of my components will fail, because if it does, my life is over. On the street, you are never going fast enough for it to be a definite life threatening thing.
I am a baller M3 owner, I will never put cheap parts on my car, or cheap rims/tires. My Volks are cheap compared to my LM/LMRs so if it gets fucked, im not that upset.

BTW Ive fucked up wheels on the street, but Ive never fucked up my wheels on the track.

I tracked on Volks on my E46 M3, and over 20+ track days they balanced better over 60k+miles, than brand new cheap wheels. You cannot beat BBS/Volk, there is no way around it. Not even HRE are to that standard, yet. The only other wheel that is great for track and premium quality that I would put on my car, is Fikse.
Have to agree with you here. My rims take a much worse beating on the street than on track. I've always wondered why people said that, they must be constantly going off or jumping the berms or something. Things are pretty smooth on track, now tires... that's a different story
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Fikse Wheels are also very good track rims!

http://www.fikse.com/2010/index.html
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Have to agree with you here. My rims take a much worse beating on the street than on track. I've always wondered why people said that, they must be constantly going off or jumping the berms or something. Things are pretty smooth on track, now tires... that's a different story
The don't call mine the 'baja bimmer' for nothing!

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      01-26-2012, 09:19 AM   #39
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anyone have a set of 18" TE37 that they want to get rid of? Let me know
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      01-26-2012, 09:49 AM   #40
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anyone have a set of 18" TE37 that they want to get rid of? Let me know
PM me an offer and I might just sell mine. I have too many sets of wheels anyways. Although it is my favorite set of wheels Ive had on this car.

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automatic racing runs these wheels on their m3 race car. porsche guys over on 6speed seem to like them.
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I use Rays 18X10 Volk G2s.

They are very nice and super light, but very expensive I admit.
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      01-29-2012, 11:53 PM   #44
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PM me an offer and I might just sell mine. I have too many sets of wheels anyways. Although it is my favorite set of wheels Ive had on this car.

PM me specs and price please
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