BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   M3Post - BMW M3 Forum > M3 (E90 / E92 / E93) > M3 vs....
 
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      01-15-2012, 12:49 AM   #23
graider
Colonel
 
graider's Avatar
 
Drives: py/kiwi e46 m3
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: toronto

Posts: 2,408
iTrader: (0)

i'd still rather own the gtr than the zr1. more complete, the performance is more accessible to my level of driving skill and it is a more practical street car.

now if I need a dedicate track car, definitely z06 or gt3 rs. other than that, they are useless in cold weather or if you have kids.

this track has lot of long straight, so no surprised the zr1 beat the gtr as the zr1 has more hp and much much lighter. why judge performance of a car based on result of just one track?
graider is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      01-28-2012, 09:39 AM   #24
Cl0ud7
Private First Class
 
Drives: 2009 M3 / 2013 X3 2.8i
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Catasauqua, PA

Posts: 188
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave07997S View Post
I would love to see what a ZCP car would do. The M3 they tested in 08 and 09 obviously weren't ZCP cars. It may just do marginally better but maybe it would have beaten a CLS 63 AMG which it now trails by a few tenths.

Dave
The '09 M3 might of not been a ZCP car but, it sure did have the PS Cup tires on and only did marginally better...
Cl0ud7 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      01-28-2012, 10:11 AM   #25
alms211
Banned
 
Drives: 2011 E92 M3
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: MD

Posts: 746
iTrader: (1)

Stick Leh Keen in a ZCP M3 and watch the time be closer to 3:00.
alms211 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      01-28-2012, 10:31 AM   #26
smmmurf
Colonel
 
Drives: 2009 M3 Sedan 6MT
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Pleasanton, CA

Posts: 2,104
iTrader: (7)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Onurleft View Post
PS-Cups are hardly superior to RE070r's. Fractionally. That's a very very fast "road" tire that puts up very well with lots of heat.

In terms of M3 vs Boss Laguna we are talking about a car that dyno's 330-340whp with back seats and and a car that dyno's 405-420rwhp and has chassis support bars instead of back seats. I'm not even going into the torque numbers, it fell where it should've (impressive time at that) and they've never run an M3 ZCP at lightning lap
Sorry to jump in here... PS Cups are definitely not anything like an RE070. RE070 is an OEM tire on the GTR and was OEM on the STI and S2000 CR. It is sticky, but it is a bit less sticky than the Hankook RS3/AD08. It's about on par with the older AD07.

The PS Cups are definitely a whole grip level stickier than the RE070's.
__________________
M3 Sedan - AW/Black - 6MT - no moonroof - no folding seats - RAC RG63 - clear bra by Omega Werks
smmmurf is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      01-28-2012, 10:36 AM   #27
the///Mthree
First Lieutenant
 
Drives: Frozen Black Edition
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: New York

Posts: 351
iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by alms211 View Post
Stick Leh Keen in a ZCP M3 and watch the time be closer to 3:00.
So....?

You stick him in the other cars and those times will drop substantially as well
the///Mthree is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      01-28-2012, 12:05 PM   #28
erio
Captain
 
erio's Avatar
 
Drives: e92 JB M3, 2012 GTR
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: GA

Posts: 789
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by smmmurf View Post
Sorry to jump in here... PS Cups are definitely not anything like an RE070. RE070 is an OEM tire on the GTR and was OEM on the STI and S2000 CR. It is sticky, but it is a bit less sticky than the Hankook RS3/AD08. It's about on par with the older AD07.

The PS Cups are definitely a whole grip level stickier than the RE070's.
+1. I would add that the newer gtrs use the dunlop sp sport maxx tires. It has a treadwear rating of 200. For perspective the Michelin pilot sport cup zp used on the Vette have a rating of 80. The Vette is obviously very fast, but to deny the tires don't make a significant difference simply shows a lack of experience or understanding of how a car behaves on the track, esp. at it's limits. If one looks at the treads or should I say lack thereof on the sport cups, it's very obvious. There are some areas where it's basically slick. Motortrend's best driver's car test in fact dropped the z06 to 6th place because of this advantage-same track DOT tires. I don't particularly agree with that ranking since they are a factory option, but they were looking for the best all around car on the track and road. Those tires are very risky for daily driving. Here is a list of DOT track tires I pulled from tirerack:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/types/comp.jsp

Last edited by erio; 01-29-2012 at 12:50 PM.
erio is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      01-28-2012, 12:41 PM   #29
alms211
Banned
 
Drives: 2011 E92 M3
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: MD

Posts: 746
iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by the///Mthree View Post
So....?

You stick him in the other cars and those times will drop substantially as well
The point I was making, smart ass, is that Leh owns (owned) an E92M3 so he would be quite familiar with the car and therefore could most certainly squeeze more out of.

At the end of the day, The Lightning Lap means nothing as the cars are driven by different drivers on different days and the drivers aren't even top tier drivers.
alms211 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:13 PM.




m3post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST