10 Years Anniversary of Hong Kong's Return to People's Republic of China

ehhhwik · 06-27-2007, 08:26 PM

On July 1, 2007, it will be the 10th anniversary of the return of Hong Kong from the emperial power of the United Kingdom to the People's Republic of China.

It doesnt seem like 10 years has already past, and it all seems like nothing has changed because China agreed Hong Kong's high level of autonomy in things like legal, judicial, freedoms of speech, etc...little has changed for the common citizen to realize that Hong Kong is no longer a colonial possession of the biggest imperial power of all time.

What do you guys think about this issue? Good?? Bad?? Whats it going to be like in another 10 years? I think there are a large enough diversity of people on this forum (even lots of people from Hong Kong)

Heres a good special segment on CNN for people to read for some good background info about Hong Kong's history, people, culture, etc:

http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2007/hongkong/

Wai328 · 06-27-2007, 08:53 PM

In my opinion it's a good thing that China gave Hong Kong high level of autonomy. In 10 years Hong Kong will still be the same.
But again im not a big fan of Britain giving HK bk to China, but at the same time there is something good about it.

ehhhwik · 06-27-2007, 08:59 PM

i think Hong Kong should have go back to China, but was 1997 really the right time?? I don't think so...

Wai328 · 06-27-2007, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ehhhwik

i think Hong Kong should have go back to China, but was 1997 really the right time?? I don't think so...

What time do u think should hve been the right time?

ehhhwik · 06-27-2007, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by E90_M3-.^"

What time do u think should hve been the right time?

that i am not sure, but it just didnt seem to be the right time, because there are so many things that werent solved, such as, local elections, immigration laws, etc and consistutions like the "Basic Law" was created in the 80s and rushed to have it agreed on by both China and Britain in time for 1997

dr335is · 06-28-2007, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by E90_M3-.^"

In my opinion it's a good thing that China gave Hong Kong high level of autonomy. In 10 years Hong Kong will still be the same.
But again im not a big fan of Britain giving HK bk to China, but at the same time there is something good about it.

I completely thing it WAS the right thing under these conditions -- not to be "touched" for 50 years.
In 40 years, China will be ahead of the US and Britain, so...

DasBlitz · 07-14-2007, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dr325i

In 40 years, China will be ahead of the US and Britain, so...

Not in a civilized society. They can make as much money as they want and build as much as they want. At the end of the day their government is run by animals.

dr335is · 07-14-2007, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DasBlitz

Not in a civilized society. They can make as much money as they want and build as much as they want. At the end of the day their government is run by animals.

I think OUR Government is run by animals...

By the way, the money comment is very wrong.
10 years ago, China had a huge debt. Today they have $0 debt and >$1.5 trillion in savings. If they'd release that money, the USA would be bye bye overnight... So, yes, they CAN make money, and quickly...

On the other hand, we have $9 trillion debt that is growing daily. We have no friends left, and loosing them daily.

We are well trained and behaved, that stands, it will be hard to change their society behavior...

DasBlitz · 07-14-2007, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dr325i

I think OUR Government is run by animals...

By the way, the money comment is very wrong.
10 years ago, China had a huge debt. Today they have $0 debt and >$1.5 trillion in savings. If they'd release that money, the USA would be bye bye overnight... So, yes, they CAN make money, and quickly...

On the other hand, we have $9 trillion debt that is growing daily. We have no friends left, and loosing them daily.

We are well trained and behaved, that stands, it will be hard to change their society behavior...

I didn't say they wouldn't make as much money as us in the coming years. If you mean currently they are already ahead. No, the USA may be in debt but still makes so much more many than any other country.

Our government is run by animals. But these animals are not allowed to harvest our organs, have horrid labor laws and so on.

We also have to realize China does not abide by many laws that other civilized nations do. If they did their market would downsize severly.

It was proven during the industrial revolution that America too could make a lot of money if they did not care about laws and ethics.

Also remember the U.S. is a huge market for China without us they would lose a lot of cash flow.

Jaws · 07-14-2007, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dr325i

I think OUR Government is run by animals...

By the way, the money comment is very wrong.
10 years ago, China had a huge debt. Today they have $0 debt and >$1.5 trillion in savings. If they'd release that money, the USA would be bye bye overnight... So, yes, they CAN make money, and quickly...

On the other hand, we have $9 trillion debt that is growing daily. We have no friends left, and loosing them daily.

We are well trained and behaved, that stands, it will be hard to change their society behavior...

The Chinese gov't may have money in the bank, but 1 billion of its people still live in poverty, slave labour still exists, human rights are non-existent, and pollution is extreme. They have a long way to go.

DasBlitz · 07-15-2007, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Jaws

The Chinese gov't may have money in the bank, but 1 billion of its people still live in poverty, slave labour still exists, human rights are non-existent, and pollution is extreme. They have a long way to go.

+1 America can not act like the perfect country. But we have learned and now abide by these things. Therefore China has to be judged differently and when China is doing really well you have to ask yourself "what if they had laws and ethics?"

dr335is · 07-15-2007, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DasBlitz

+1 America can not act like the perfect country. But we have learned and now abide by these things. Therefore China has to be judged differently and when China is doing really well you have to ask yourself "what if they had laws and ethics?"

Again, that is not an issue.
The issue is -- 15 years ago, China was 60 years behing us. 15 years ago, we were ahead of where we're now.
China, of course has issues. A billion people living in powerty is huge exaggeration.
They have 1.7B people there, almost 6x what we have here, but yet, they managet to get where they are, and to earn WORLD RESPECT -- a thing we're lacking more and more daily.
Yes, they are heavily polutet, but that will go away, too, once they achieve the levels they are striving for.

One thing for sure, ethics, poverty, cars, buildings...China has made it looooong way since the early 90's. I have been going back there since 1997, and the difference is...enormous...

ganeil · 07-16-2007, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dr325i

15 years ago, we were ahead of where we're now.

By what possible measure?

dr335is · 07-16-2007, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ganeil

By what possible measure?

he's back!
Welcome back, hope you enjoyed it...

ganeil · 07-16-2007, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dr325i

he's back!
Welcome back, hope you enjoyed it...

The family vacation portion (France, Germany, & Italy) was an incredible pleasure. Chance to meet up with old friends and to (re?)introduce my younger children to places they were too young to remember and appreciate.

The work portions (UK, Turkey, and Pakistan) were a grim reminder of the enemy we face in this war.

dr335is · 07-16-2007, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ganeil

The family vacation portion (France, Germany, & Italy) was an incredible pleasure. Chance to meet up with old friends and to (re?)introduce my younger children to places they were too young to remember and appreciate.

The work portions (UK, Turkey, and Pakistan) were a grim reminder of the enemy we face in this war.

uff, combining the work and vacation was a no-no for me after I did it once

ganeil · 07-16-2007, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dr325i

uff, combining the work and vacation was a no-no for me after I did it once

The only combined portion was the flight over. We had two weeks as a family then I was scheduled to go to Turkey for work but events intervened.

06-27-2007, 08:26 PM	#1
ehhhwik Brigadier General Drives: 09' BMW 335d, 07' BMW E92 328i Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 3,432 iTrader: (5)	10 Years Anniversary of Hong Kong's Return to People's Republic of China On July 1, 2007, it will be the 10th anniversary of the return of Hong Kong from the emperial power of the United Kingdom to the People's Republic of China. It doesnt seem like 10 years has already past, and it all seems like nothing has changed because China agreed Hong Kong's high level of autonomy in things like legal, judicial, freedoms of speech, etc...little has changed for the common citizen to realize that Hong Kong is no longer a colonial possession of the biggest imperial power of all time. What do you guys think about this issue? Good?? Bad?? Whats it going to be like in another 10 years? I think there are a large enough diversity of people on this forum (even lots of people from Hong Kong) Heres a good special segment on CNN for people to read for some good background info about Hong Kong's history, people, culture, etc: http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2007/hongkong/ __________________ Current: 09' E90 335d - Titanium Silver/Black Leatherette/Sports Package/6AT Paddle Shift/USB Integration/19" Staggered Breyton GT Gloss Black Retired: 07' E92 328i (Jet Black)
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Wai328 Captain Drives: E90 328i/M3 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: YVR/HKG Posts: 971 iTrader: (1)	In my opinion it's a good thing that China gave Hong Kong high level of autonomy. In 10 years Hong Kong will still be the same. But again im not a big fan of Britain giving HK bk to China, but at the same time there is something good about it.