ESS VT3 Supercharger - Low Compression M3 S65 Engine Build Has Begun... - Page 23

1MOREMOD · 12-19-2011, 03:22 PM

i agree strange way to phrase it.

leigh · 12-20-2011, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by chriszeh

isnt the wear and tear by defenition removing material from the cylinder walls so in effect making the bore bigger? hence the need to bore and sleeve and/or go with larger rings.

yes thats a better way to put it!! so can you go with bigger rings and not need to sleeve the motor, iv seen gintani put sleeves in there stage 3 motors i would think its a good idea if you wanted to run big boost

AJ@ESS · 12-20-2011, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by leigh

say the motor had done 100,000miles would the cylinder holes be round still, dont they get bigger over time and how much boost will this motor be able to take?

We measure the cylinders to ensure proper specification before assembly. If any problem is found a new block will be sourced. Boring and rehoning a Alusil cylinder is a process which rarely ends up well in terms of cylinder seal quality. Sleeving can be done, however there are several drawbacks and potential issues with installing sleeves in an engine like this. The best solution in our opinion is to reuse the stock Alusil bore, retain the structural integrity of the block and run custom designed Mahle LC pistons designed for boost with OEM grade PWC and piston coating. It is an expensive solution, but the end result is an engine that runs like a stock motor with no durability compromises or excessive oil consumption/engine noise.

DLSJ5 · 12-20-2011, 02:56 PM

I've put close to 2K miles on the car since the Stage 3 build, the oil level indicator has not moved and I have not had to add any oil yet.

leigh · 12-20-2011, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AJ@ESS

We measure the cylinders to ensure proper specification before assembly. If any problem is found a new block will be sourced. Boring and rehoning a Alusil cylinder is a process which rarely ends up well in terms of cylinder seal quality. Sleeving can be done, however there are several drawbacks and potential issues with installing sleeves in an engine like this. The best solution in our opinion is to reuse the stock Alusil bore, retain the structural integrity of the block and run custom designed Mahle LC pistons designed for boost with OEM grade PWC and piston coating. It is an expensive solution, but the end result is an engine that runs like a stock motor with no durability compromises or excessive oil consumption/engine noise.

how long to you think it would take for the cylinder to be no good? we all dont want to leave it to late! haha and how much boost will you guys run on this motor

leigh · 12-20-2011, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DLSJ5

I've put close to 2K miles on the car since the Stage 3 build, the oil level indicator has not moved and I have not had to add any oil yet.

yeah iv never had to add oil to my motor

it always sits on the same thing!!

my friend had to top his c63 up every 2 weeks hahaha

img · 12-20-2011, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leigh

yes thats a better way to put it!! so can you go with bigger rings and not need to sleeve the motor, iv seen gintani put sleeves in there stage 3 motors i would think its a good idea if you wanted to run big boost

PG did some research on this and ultimately decided against sleeving. PG saw tightie's sleeved bottom end being assembled at Auto Talent and liked what he saw. So when it came time to make the decision himself, he researched it a bit, and here's what he came up with.

PG told me that the machine shop who bores all of the stroker motors for RD Sport refused to sleeve the S65 block when PG asked about it. By the time PG asked about sleeving in mid-2010, the machine shop had already bored 8 or 9 S65 strokers. They said the S65 block is very strong, but sleeving it would weaken it too much and they refused to do it. PG asked Dinan the same thing and got the same answer. PG then asked the his race shop buddies their advice (same guys he chose to build his motor), and after looking at the S65 block, they advised against it as well. After hearing three recommendations against it, PG decided it wasn't a good idea to ignore all three recommendation and he decided against sleeving the block.

DLSJ5 · 12-20-2011, 10:57 PM

Here's a dyno and speedo pull -

flipm3 · 12-20-2011, 11:11 PM

Nice! That 60-130mph looks fairly close to around 6 seconds. Were you able to top your VT2-625 times?

img · 12-21-2011, 07:38 AM

Looking good there Drew !

erm324 · 12-21-2011, 10:13 AM

HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! insane

E90///M3` · 12-21-2011, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DLSJ5

Here's a dyno and speedo pull -

we can do better... i'll be back just after christmas so we definitely need to hit the alley haha

Mbauer · 12-22-2011, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by AJ@ESS

We measure the cylinders to ensure proper specification before assembly. If any problem is found a new block will be sourced. Boring and rehoning a Alusil cylinder is a process which rarely ends up well in terms of cylinder seal quality. Sleeving can be done, however there are several drawbacks and potential issues with installing sleeves in an engine like this. The best solution in our opinion is to reuse the stock Alusil bore, retain the structural integrity of the block and run custom designed Mahle LC pistons designed for boost with OEM grade PWC and piston coating. It is an expensive solution, but the end result is an engine that runs like a stock motor with no durability compromises or excessive oil consumption/engine noise.

Ive taken multiple bmw engine apart well after 100K miles, you can still see the original honing marks on the cylinder walls almost everytime. You will usually see conicity if you have some wrist pin issues early on.

1º · 12-23-2011, 09:44 PM

thanks for the vid drew, enjoy!

11' AW M3 · 12-24-2011, 02:41 AM

can't wait to see your 60-130 & 1/4 #s!! I smell broken records!

Team Plutonium · 12-24-2011, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DLSJ5

Here's a dyno and speedo pull -

DLSJ5 · 02-01-2012, 01:26 AM

Well guys with 600whp and over 400WTQ the clutch was starting to slip, you can actually hear it in the last speedo vid I posted. The car went back to ESS a few weeks ago for some upgrades, one of which included the SSP Kevlar DCT clutch discs.

BIG THANK YOU to Kris and Jeremy from SSP, can't wait to run the car with this new clutch of yours at the upcoming shift-s3ctor airstrip event, this product is so important and imperative for those with DCT and FI, looking for more reliable big power.

You can see from a few of the pics, the stock clutch discs were worn, along with some burn marks, not terrible, but needed an upgrade for sure. They also looked over the entire tranny and it was in great condition.

Here's some pics -

0-60Motorsports · 02-01-2012, 01:31 AM

SSP make an awesome product! Thats why I support their products and they have great customer service

DLSJ5 · 02-01-2012, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by 0-60Motorsports

SSP make an awesome product! Thats why I support their products and they have great customer service

Great to hear! Appreciate you chiming in as always, how are things with you?

0-60Motorsports · 02-01-2012, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DLSJ5

Great to hear! Appreciate you chiming in as always, how are things with you?

Great Bro! Loving your car by the way. Looks awesome! You also need to use the SSP GOLD DCT Trans Oil! You'll love the way the car shifts smoother when you use this oil. Ask Jeremy about it

flipm3 · 02-01-2012, 09:01 AM

The DCT sure does looks beautiful when it's in pieces, hehe.

It's great that your project moves so quickly and everyone helping out gets the project done!

Team Plutonium · 02-01-2012, 09:27 AM

Awesome! Hey Drew, how do you think my stock clutch (6MT) will hold up with my 600 blower and my 4.10 gears?

12-19-2011, 03:22 PM	#485
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12-20-2011, 02:56 PM	#488
DLSJ5 Colonel Drives: 08 E92 DCT M3 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: CA Posts: 2,800 iTrader: (0)	I've put close to 2K miles on the car since the Stage 3 build, the oil level indicator has not moved and I have not had to add any oil yet. __________________ 08 E92 M3 DCT - Bolt Ons - 60-130MPH 10.71s - 11.88 @ 118MPH - 377WHP ESS VT2-625 SC 60-130MPH 6.80s - 11.30 @ 129.3 MPH 586WHP / 379WTQ @ 7.2psi - 94 octane / Water meth ESS VT3-725 60-130MPH 6.64s - 620Whp/420Wtq@ 11psi ESS VT3-750 - 685Whp/466Wtq@13.5 psi SAE - 703WHP /478WTQ@13.5 psi STD

12-20-2011, 10:57 PM	#492
DLSJ5 Colonel Drives: 08 E92 DCT M3 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: CA Posts: 2,800 iTrader: (0)	Here's a dyno and speedo pull - __________________ 08 E92 M3 DCT - Bolt Ons - 60-130MPH 10.71s - 11.88 @ 118MPH - 377WHP ESS VT2-625 SC 60-130MPH 6.80s - 11.30 @ 129.3 MPH 586WHP / 379WTQ @ 7.2psi - 94 octane / Water meth ESS VT3-725 60-130MPH 6.64s - 620Whp/420Wtq@ 11psi ESS VT3-750 - 685Whp/466Wtq@13.5 psi SAE - 703WHP /478WTQ@13.5 psi STD

12-20-2011, 11:11 PM	#493
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12-21-2011, 07:38 AM	#494
img VT3 Drives: E36 M3 Track car,Ess E90 M3 DD Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Couch Posts: 5,980 iTrader: (5)	Looking good there Drew ! __________________ NO FEAR.NO LIMITS.NO EQUAL Ess VT3 LC built motor,Volk TE37SL,Challenge modefied Xpipe,Akra axle back CF tips. LOW BOOST 60-130 6.7 sec

12-21-2011, 10:13 AM	#495
erm324 Major Drives: M3 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NYC Posts: 1,052 iTrader: (1)	HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! insane

12-23-2011, 09:44 PM	#498
1º Captain Drives: RRS S/C Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: miami Posts: 968 iTrader: (0)	thanks for the vid drew, enjoy!

12-24-2011, 02:41 AM	#499
11' AW M3 Major Drives: 11' ZCP E92 M3 Join Date: May 2009 Location: california Posts: 1,232 iTrader: (2)	can't wait to see your 60-130 & 1/4 #s!! I smell broken records! __________________ 2011 AW/FR Extended E92 M3... fully loaded

02-01-2012, 01:26 AM	#501
DLSJ5 Colonel Drives: 08 E92 DCT M3 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: CA Posts: 2,800 iTrader: (0)	Well guys with 600whp and over 400WTQ the clutch was starting to slip, you can actually hear it in the last speedo vid I posted. The car went back to ESS a few weeks ago for some upgrades, one of which included the SSP Kevlar DCT clutch discs. BIG THANK YOU to Kris and Jeremy from SSP, can't wait to run the car with this new clutch of yours at the upcoming shift-s3ctor airstrip event, this product is so important and imperative for those with DCT and FI, looking for more reliable big power. You can see from a few of the pics, the stock clutch discs were worn, along with some burn marks, not terrible, but needed an upgrade for sure. They also looked over the entire tranny and it was in great condition. Here's some pics - __________________ 08 E92 M3 DCT - Bolt Ons - 60-130MPH 10.71s - 11.88 @ 118MPH - 377WHP ESS VT2-625 SC 60-130MPH 6.80s - 11.30 @ 129.3 MPH 586WHP / 379WTQ @ 7.2psi - 94 octane / Water meth ESS VT3-725 60-130MPH 6.64s - 620Whp/420Wtq@ 11psi ESS VT3-750 - 685Whp/466Wtq@13.5 psi SAE - 703WHP /478WTQ@13.5 psi STD

02-01-2012, 01:31 AM	#502
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02-01-2012, 09:01 AM	#505
flipm3 E46 + E90 Drives: E46 M3 + E90 M3 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 2,516 iTrader: (1) Garage List 2009 BMW M3 [0.00] 2002 BMW M3 [0.00]	The DCT sure does looks beautiful when it's in pieces, hehe. It's great that your project moves so quickly and everyone helping out gets the project done! __________________ 2002 E46 M3 6MT \| Jet Black . Black Nappa \| My Build Thread 2009 E90 M3 DCT \| Melbourne Red . Speed Cloth

02-01-2012, 09:27 AM	#506
Team Plutonium Major General Drives: 911 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Upstate Posts: 8,803 iTrader: (1)	Awesome! Hey Drew, how do you think my stock clutch (6MT) will hold up with my 600 blower and my 4.10 gears? __________________ Gone... ESS VT2-625 \| ESS Tune \| M24 Oil Cooler \| Brembo 380mm BBK \| Dinan 4.10 Diff \| KW Variant 3 Coilovers \| Dinan Camber Plates \| Dinan Strut Tower Braces \| Dinan X-Pipe \| Akrapovic Exhaust \| Vorsteiner GTS3 Bumper \| Varis System One Diffuser \| OEM Performance Spoiler \| Stack Gauges \| GTS Door Sills \| Volk TE37 \| Falken Azenis RT615K 275/315 \| Pulled Fenders \| Turner Stud Kit \| OMP ARS Racing Seats New: 991C2S

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