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      12-01-2011, 10:32 PM   #133
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Looks like the same damn car..
Well, that's because they.....uh, never mind.
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      12-01-2011, 10:37 PM   #134
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Being sold as a Scion = fail.
Makes perfect sense as it's being targeted for younger buyers.
Scion is Toyota's youth brand.

The Subi is toned down a bit, perhaps they want to entice a bit older group.
For that, imo, the seats and seating need to be designed to fit.
I also hope the pedals aren't too far towards the driver.
That happens in a lot of cars so much so that you have to scoot the seat so far back that you can't get a proper arm to steering wheel placement.
Maybe the telescoping range is greater than in most lower priced cars.
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      12-01-2011, 10:57 PM   #135
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This is sweet looking sport coupe. But, it's truly being made for younger people cause older, wider enthusiasts won't fit in that tiny car, especially with those tight race style seats.
Not quite... I seem to remember to see a lot of 'older, wider enthusiasts' enjoying the US sun while driving their Miatas.

In fact, I think that the kind of performance the 1M or the Cayman S has to offer won't be nearly as fully exploited as the performance in these Subuyotas or Subiyotas (whatever you like to call them) can be... let alone when driven by old people.

When I see an old guy driving a Porsche I can't help myself from thinking... why in hell he needs 300+ hp for cruising?!

Of course, I already know the answer... it was a 'childwood dream'!

In the end, it's all a question of money... I know!
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      12-01-2011, 11:01 PM   #136
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Nobody's riding back there, are you kidding?

The back seat is there to keep insurance costs down for the youngsters who will snap these up like a bum on a bologna sandwhich.
Much like with the 911 back seats...
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      12-02-2011, 06:27 AM   #137
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The same lack of leg room and no rear head protection...
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      12-02-2011, 11:18 AM   #138
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It's amazing that they managed to ruin the headlights in the process of rebadging it from a Toyo to a Scion. Those LEDs would've really given it more road presence. I'm sure cost is the sole factor of their removal, I just can't stand headlights whose detailing consists of vague chrome splotches.
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When I see an old guy driving a Porsche I can't help myself from thinking... why in hell he needs 300+ hp for cruising?!

Of course, I already know the answer... it was a 'childwood dream'!

In the end, it's all a question of money... I know!
Couldn't you say this about an old guy driving around in anything remotely sporty with 300+ hp?
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It's amazing that they managed to ruin the headlights in the process of rebadging it from a Toyo to a Scion. Those LEDs would've really given it more road presence. I'm sure cost is the sole factor of their removal, I just can't stand headlights whose detailing consists of vague chrome splotches.
I'd imagine it will be a popular aftermarket upgrade. I do agree that the Toyota lights look much better than the Scion ones.
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      12-02-2011, 11:22 AM   #141
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As Toyoda stated himself, this car will be a solid template for modding. Great foundation, I'm just not entirely sold until I get to drive one myself. I'm also holding out for the inevitable hotted-up variants.

I hope the majority of the aftermarket parts don't end up being typical shoddy TRD-style body cladding. Can't stand that shit.
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As Toyoda stated himself, this car will be a solid template for modding. Great foundation, I'm just not entirely sold until I get to drive one myself. I'm also holding out for the inevitable hotted-up variants.

I hope the majority of the aftermarket parts don't end up being typical shoddy TRD-style body cladding. Can't stand that shit.
Well since the TRD catalog leaked I am sure SCION will be going w/ that game plan like they did w/ the Tc
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Couldn't you say this about an old guy driving around in anything remotely sporty with 300+ hp?
Yes! However, the 911 costs a fortune, it's not the most spacious, doesn't give the best ride compliance as it is optimized for speed, because it has a very low body it's not the easiest to get in or out, not the most quiet car either and rough surfaces do tend to up the noise volume and, finally, to fully appreciate all the available power you really need a track, as long as you know what you are doing, because the speed reserves are VERY high and the handling can be VERY challenging!
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Well since the TRD catalog leaked I am sure SCION will be going w/ that game plan like they did w/ the Tc
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I am aware of the care Greddy did for a car show, I was meaning more of the "OEM" SCION "dealership" experience
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Can't wait for all the teenagers driving this Scion around town like idiots.
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Can't wait for all the teenagers driving this Scion around town like idiots.
if not this then a civic...aint gonna change nothing
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Can't wait for all the teenagers driving this Scion around town like idiots.
+1. Insurance is going to be through the roof on these things.
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You pick your flavour...
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Idiocy doesn't pick any specific age...
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I think this one says STI somewhere and it has a supercharger (not a turbo because this has a thing called lag):

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GT 86 development engineer Yoshi Sasaki says the GT 86 is for those who are bored with cars that are too powerful with their turbo engines, have too much grip with their huge tyres and four-wheel drive, cost too much and don't let the driver do enough. 'A fun car,' he says, 'is a car that you control.'
We've driven Toyota's new GT 86 rear-drive sports coupe - and on first impressions, it's brilliant

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Via possibly the best electric steering system we've yet encountered, with much more subtle sensitivity than the new 911's system and a more mechnically-connected feel about the centre, you can exploit a balance perfectly tunable with the tiniest throttle inputs. Take a corner briskly and there's stabilising understeer; accelerate a bit and the understeer vanishes as the tail starts to dominate. From there to a drift is a land of opportunity with abundant signposting. Seldom is a car so up for a friendly game.

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      12-03-2011, 04:35 PM   #154
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Quick photoshop I did of the regular version... I'll make another with this one...
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