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      11-22-2011, 01:09 PM   #23
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Easy there... I think you missed my point. I'm fine with the word "liberal", but Obama's been a moderate president, not a liberal, and not a liberal nut.

As I've previously pointed out, he's pro-NRA, and moderate on the military, the environment, gay rights, energy, taxes, social programs, etc. The cries of liberalism are merely propaganda posturing.
I think a lot of these people confuse his beliefs with the Democratic party's.
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      11-22-2011, 01:59 PM   #24
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      11-22-2011, 04:01 PM   #25
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Disagreeing with Obama's policies does not equate with your statement. Those who truly feel what you're expressing, and have already decided, are at odds with the idea of this man as president, which in my opinion is irrational.

I'll accept (but disagree with) one who says that the stimulus (which was successful) should have been replaced by trickle-down economics (which has never actually worked, and would take years anyway).

I'll accept (but disagree with) one who says that the healtcare reform pay-in mandate (which actually eliminates decades of freeloading that repubs have complained about) should be replaced with some other form of cost control (as of yet unspecified by repubs).

But I can't accept your categorization of Obama without some justification. And I'm well aware that you don't give a rat's ass what I think, but I'm merely stating that I don't believe the justification has been put out there, should you decide to enlighten us. Because right now, it sounds an awful lot like Sarah Palin's "real Americans" mumbo-jumbo.


Obamacare will put many firms out of business, especially small business. This is a fact, nothing to argue about.

Mandating companies to offer a certain compensation of benefits to employees is not moderate.
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False on both accounts. You don't seem to understand what a liberal is, but you apparently have been brainwashed to call someone a liberal when you don't like them. Now why don't you stop the childish namecalling and actually present some facts?
Because the facts as we are presented aren't facts anyway!
You think by posting some bar graphs and some, what appears to be knowledge about a subject that has purely been misconstrued every way you look at it, we are supposed to be persuaded by you?
Come on! You dont know anymore about this political BS than they want you to know, which is no more than the next guy!
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      11-22-2011, 08:37 PM   #27
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Mandating companies to offer a certain compensation of benefits to employees is not moderate.
You're right! It was pioneered by none other than your eventual conservative republican nominee. Funny how that works.
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Because the facts as we are presented aren't facts anyway!
You think by posting some bar graphs and some, what appears to be knowledge about a subject that has purely been misconstrued every way you look at it, we are supposed to be persuaded by you?
Come on! You dont know anymore about this political BS than they want you to know, which is no more than the next guy!
Well, for a bunch of people who have no real facts, we sure argue a lot!

I'm not trying to persuade anyone, just expressing my point of view. I must admit, you've come up with a novel way to slam the opposition - convincing me that "nothing's real". I contend that it's perfectly valid to hold an opinion on these issues.
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You're right! It was pioneered by none other than your eventual conservative republican nominee. Funny how that works.
what do you mean "your"? no conservative wants Romney to win, the only ones who want Romney are rhinos and apparently the mainstream media.

and either way, it still doesn't address the fact that it will put many firms out of business. Especially firms with low profit margins and many employees....
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Good news, its only gone up 30+ million or so.
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Well, for a bunch of people who have no real facts, we sure argue a lot!

I'm not trying to persuade anyone, just expressing my point of view. I must admit, you've come up with a novel way to slam the opposition - convincing me that "nothing's real". I contend that it's perfectly valid to hold an opinion on these issues.
Absolutely... and opinions vary greatly.
I see no need to slam anyone, just merely stating what I think, just as you have.
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Good news, its only gone up 30+ million or so.
And how are those republicans doing with raising revenues?
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And how are those republicans doing with raising revenues?
Keep finger pointing, democrats are PRO's at it.
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And how are those republicans doing with raising revenues?
Repeal Obamacare and watch unemployment start dropping immediately. Every single Republican (save for lame brains like Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe et al) wants it repealed. Guess what? More workers in the workplace = higher taxes collected i.e. raised revenues. Pretty simple concept really.
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Repeal Obamacare and watch unemployment start dropping immediately. Every single Republican (save for lame brains like Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe et al) wants it repealed. Guess what? More workers in the workplace = higher taxes collected i.e. raised revenues. Pretty simple concept really.
Last time I checked.... logical thinking went out the door years ago!
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Last time I checked.... logical thinking went out the door years ago!
beat me to it!
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Keep finger pointing, democrats are PRO's at it.
Isn't this thread you started finger pointing?
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sadly. everyone in this presidential race sucks
...and who would you like to see in it?
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...and who would you like to see in it?
better choice than the ones given...pretty obvious
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better choice than the ones given...pretty obvious
great response

If you would have said someone like Marco Rubio or Bob McDonnell I would have at least given you some credit.
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great response
its a pointless question.
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its a pointless question.
please elaborate....if you are going to bitch about something you need to have a solution. Pretty simple concept
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please elaborate....if you are going to bitch about something you need to have a solution. Pretty simple concept
yeah the solution is have better candidates, obviously. pretty simple answer.

now go back to complaining about obamacare. seems more like your forte
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yeah the solution is have better candidates, obviously. pretty simple answer.

now go back to complaining about obamacare. seems more like your forte
Typical liberal response....bitch about something but don't have a solution. I'll ask you again...who do you feel would be the best person to lead this Country?

I'm not the one complaining Junior, you are. I'll gladly take Mitt Romney or Newt Gingrich over the imbecile in there right now.
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