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      11-19-2011, 11:56 AM   #67
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      11-19-2011, 01:52 PM   #68
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I am assuming the production sets will have much nicer welding and proper looking merge collectors. Would also be nice to see less welds.

For 4k you need to expect the very very best in fabrication and design.

Looking forward to the fantastic sounding 27hp on top of say an Akra.

The power has been quoted...means the dyno graphs are out there floating around?
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So still nobody has explained HOW these are better than stock. Would need to see dyno for power gains but even if it gained predicted power, I am curious how that gain is achieved. Is the header tube diameter different? More smooth bends or completely different bends to modify exhaust pulses? Just wondering as visually there is nothing really different and for most cars headers usually replace a simple exhaust manifold or a catted header so the power gain is obvious but with this OEM awesome sed of catless headers I am curious where this power is being freed up from?
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      11-19-2011, 07:19 PM   #70
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So still nobody has explained HOW these are better than stock. Would need to see dyno for power gains but even if it gained predicted power, I am curious how that gain is achieved. Is the header tube diameter different? More smooth bends or completely different bends to modify exhaust pulses? Just wondering as visually there is nothing really different and for most cars headers usually replace a simple exhaust manifold or a catted header so the power gain is obvious but with this OEM awesome sed of catless headers I am curious where this power is being freed up from?
I am answered the your's and other people's questions further back in the post.

Stop with your pessimism and take some time and go back and read the thread....... the info is there if is want to read it.
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      11-19-2011, 09:29 PM   #71
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It doesn't really matter to him anyway... so don't waste your time on the troll.
I am just getting that now...... Thanks for the heads-up...... I'll stop feeding the troll!!!
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Most likely the primary diameter and the merge collector are the where there is room for gain. If they did some good R&D (which I assume they did and are still doing) then they could see where and how much room for improvement there was in the factory header. If they nailed the design then an increase in scavenging and flow could be achieved which would relate to power gains.

THis is a "definetive" answer that people should just accept and spend 4k on .headers? It would be nice if the company who made them or someone who actually knows some actual data would give us some idea of what exactly specifically is improved, changed and the new sizes/shapes of the pieces of headers instead of you "most likely" speculation.

People who want to know a mod actually turns out the promised power is somehow a troll to you-that is fine. Buy mods blindly like a ton of other people
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      11-19-2011, 11:45 PM   #73
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THis is a "definetive" answer that people should just accept and spend 4k on .headers? It would be nice if the company who made them or someone who actually knows some actual data would give us some idea of what exactly specifically is improved, changed and the new sizes/shapes of the pieces of headers instead of you "most likely" speculation.

People who want to know a mod actually turns out the promised power is somehow a troll to you-that is fine. Buy mods blindly like a ton of other people
I don't think anyone is suggesting that we (M3 owners) blindly purchase the product with no numbers to justify it. The headers aren't even on the market yet. They are, according to the title of this thread, in development.

Can you give the manufacturer a chance to finalize the product before they put dyno numbers out to the public?
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I think we can all agree that my troll comment is not only based on this post.
Agreed. Also, with all of his previous posts about most of us wasting money on mod's I doubt he'd spend $2k, let alone ~$4k, on headers even with as-measured test data.
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      11-20-2011, 02:13 PM   #75
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Congratulations to the guys at IND! Looks like you have found a new product to give us enthusiast's more power.

At a 27 hp increase, power should be noticable, and therefore a worthwhile purchase!

Please let us know when you have have posted some dyno's showing the power increase over the stock headers?

If you have already, please send me the link?
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Congratulations to the guys at IND! Looks like you have found a new product to give us enthusiast's more power.

At a 27 hp increase, power should be noticable, and therefore a worthwhile purchase!

Please let us know when you have have posted some dyno's showing the power increase over the stock headers?

If you have already, please send me the link?
Thanks!

We do not have test data of our own yet, as M24 has not released these headers to market and are still in the testing and development phase at this point. Their in-house testing has shown a substantial increase, but of course we'll do our best here at IND to document any testing we do once the headers show up here in the U.S.
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      11-24-2011, 11:45 PM   #78
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      11-28-2011, 12:54 AM   #79
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I'd be surprised if it's that much. This is just a NA motor. Maybe +10-15hp with a retune.
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      11-28-2011, 06:39 AM   #80
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Or it could be 27 rwhp on a 600 rwhp supercharged M3 and 13 rwhp on a 350 rwhp stock M3.
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      11-28-2011, 09:58 AM   #81
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Update from Germany today. Good or bad once I have the dyno runs I will post them up right away.

"We hope to finish the final works on the headers this week or next week. This week is short since we go to the Essen Tuning show on Thursday and Friday."
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Most likely the primary diameter and the merge collector are the where there is room for gain. If they did some good R&D (which I assume they did and are still doing) then they could see where and how much room for improvement there was in the factory header. If they nailed the design then an increase in scavenging and flow could be achieved which would relate to power gains.
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