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      11-08-2011, 06:17 PM   #441
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I just googles BMW m3 supercar and found just as many articles (including the tanner foust and Paul Tracy series battle of the supercars pitting a Lexus ISF vs E92 M3. Are you going to say that those are supercars as well just because some silly rags or tv show claims them to be? The term supercar is thrown around so loosely these days it has lost it panache IMO. I'm done debating it. If you think your beloved GTR is a super duper supercar of epic proportions then so be it. Just know that there are many out therethat simply believe otherwise.
Oh so theyre silly now?
the same people that have driven and reviewed more cars than you probably will?


Ok...if you say so.
Other people also believe that Kobe Bryant is better than Micheal Jordan even tho numbers say an entirely different thing.

The easter bunny is real people....
Wow. Talk about missing the point entirely. So you think the M3 and Lexus ISF are supercars too?
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My GTR Owners Manual Says 'Nissan SuperCar'... therefor it must be.
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Why not supercharge your m3?? 15k probably still less than the GTR??
Have u driven a 911 turbo with a software flash?? It's the holy grail, German feel that your used to and stupid fast.

Advantage is BMW maint, interior quality, overall BMW solid feel.

I am between used ctsv maint included and supercharging an m3.
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For now then, we must make do with the "normal" GT-R, which isn't much of a chore. While most manufacturers introduce pointless aesthetic revisions to pump life into a revised car, Mizuno concentrates on the bits that matter. The engineering changes might appear modest, but in sum they combine to provide a very real improvement in the car's overall performance. So yes, Japan's finest supercar just got even better.
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What is the definition of super car? If there is any...
GTR is definitely not an exotic. It is not a hyper car. But it may qualify as super car.. Are we looking for performance, or looks, or both? Or price tag?
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Let me be that guy, I suggest a zonda. Good looks, decent performance, and you can pretend to be a super villain when you drive it.
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I thought you were stepping away from this thread, I'm still waiting on a response for why you chose a c63amg coupe over a GT-R. Especially considering all your comments about 'wannabe sportscars'....

There are some great deals out there, you can steal a GT-R right now....
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I thought you were stepping away from this thread, I'm still waiting on a response for why you chose a c63amg coupe over a GT-R. Especially considering all your comments about 'wannabe sportscars'....

There are some great deals out there, you can steal a GT-R right now....
He probably would want a 2012/13. Maybe he simply likes the AMG better or it better suits his needs for whatever reason. It doesn't mean he can't speak up for another vehicle. I have yet to hear of a 2012 sell for less than a grand below msrp. You might find an older model in the 60-70k range, but the resale value is pretty high. In fact it has the 2011 residual value award.

https://www.alg.com/ResidualValueAwards
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What is the definition of super car? If there is any...
GTR is definitely not an exotic. It is not a hyper car. But it may qualify as super car.. Are we looking for performance, or looks, or both? Or price tag?
The performance is there. So it is supercar performance. But that is based off of stock numbers. 0 - 60 in 2.9 is amazing. This is stock. So thats a start.

Exotic?
Id say semi exotic. It is not a common vehicle, and the design is pretty radical...polarizing even. No, its not a hyper car. (I think it would have to break 200mp consistently, stock to get into that realm personally).

Id say performance first, then looks. The countless other car reviewers see it as a supercar based entirely off its stock performance numbers.

So, based off their reviews, performance numbers stock..
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He probably would want a 2012/13. Maybe he simply likes the AMG better or it better suits his needs for whatever reason. It doesn't mean he can't speak up for another vehicle. I have yet to hear of a 2012 sell for less than a grand below msrp. You might find an older model in the 60-70k range, but the resale value is pretty high. In fact it has the 2011 residual value award.

https://www.alg.com/ResidualValueAwards
People are losing their shirts on some of these AMGs (if buying or financing), if leasing, the decision against a GT-R is even more confusing. It's just very hard to understand why the choice of the c63 AMG over a GT-R, ...Any GT-R for that matter, given that he has posted nothing but accolades for the GT-R. I'm not sure I'm with ya on resale, a quick browse on NAGTROC yielded many great offers and opprotunities. Considering how rare the GT-R is there sure is a lot of turnover and swapping. I think Kingleh's Alpha GT-R is even for sale, Alpha GT-R 700whp, I would strongly consider that car if I were in the market, I loved Kingleh's M3 before he sold it...

Given the same options, AMG vs. GT-R, I would be in a 2009, 2010 GT-R or 2011 doesn't matter what it is but 75-85k is better spent on a GT-R.

A little off topic, But I would just love to see how this thread would play out if it were GT-R vs. c63AMG and I posted how the c63amg coupe is a wannabe sports car, and gets punished in everywhere way by a GT-R, just seems odd how supportive he was about the GT-R annihilating the M3, and is garbage in comparison, but the c63amg coupe is where he decided to put his money. Rather odd end to that one...

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People are losing their shirts on some of these AMGs (if buying or financing), if leasing, the decision against a GT-R is even more confusing. It's just very hard to understand why the choice of the c63 AMG over a GT-R, ...Any GT-R for that matter, given that he has posted nothing but accolades for the GT-R. I'm not sure I'm with ya on resale, a quick browse on NAGTROC yielded many great offers and opprotunities. Considering how rare the GT-R is there sure is a lot of turnover and swapping. I think Kingleh's Alpha GT-R is even for sale, Alpha GT-R 700whp, I would strongly consider that car if I were in the market, I loved Kingleh's M3 before he sold it...

Given the same options, AMG vs. GT-R, I would be in a 2009, 2010 GT-R or 2011 doesn't matter what it is but 75-85k is better spent on a GT-R.

A little off topic, But I would just love to see how this thread would play out if it were GT-R vs. c63AMG and I posted how the c63amg coupe is a wannabe sports car, and gets punished in everywhere way by a GT-R, just seems odd how supportive he was about the GT-R annihilating the M3, and is garbage in comparison, but the c63amg coupe is where he decided to put his money. Rather odd end to that one...
I don't think so. Modding a car heavily damages it's resale value and takes it out of warrany. A low mile 2010 under warranty typically would run 65-70k. This one has also been driven very hard at multiple races/road courses (was used in Onelap America)...again hurting it's resale value. Also, I don't think it's a full alpha9 kit based on the parts. A full alpha9 runs about 23k plus labor. The other mods such as wheels and fenders are pricey, but don't make up for the rest in my mind. Therefore, 65k+23k+wheels, etc. I personally would not buy it given all the track time it's seen.

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I don't think so. Modding a car heavily damages it's resale value and takes it out of warrany. A low mile 2010 typically would run 65-70k. This one has also been driven very hard at multiple races/road courses (was used in Onelap America)...again hurting it's resale value. Also, I don't think it's a full alpha9 kit based on the parts. A full alpha9 runs about 23k plus labor. The other mods such as wheels and fenders are pricey, but don't make up for the rest in my mind. Therefore, 65k+23k+wheels, etc. I personally would not buy it given all the track time it's seen.
Why must you always find a way to disagree with me Kingleh's is just an example,, don't make me post the For Sale section in NAGTROC, there are plenty of low mile GT-Rs for sale, ranging from the 65-75, hell there are very low mileage 2011s and 2010s that are stock and or barely used...

How is that not a good deal, you are looking at anywhere from 25-40% below of MSRP prices...To me that is a great deal, especially considering how rare they are.

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Why must you always find a way to disagree with me Kingleh's is just an example,, don't make me post the For Sale section in NAGTROC, there are plenty of low mile GT-Rs for sale, ranging from the 65-75, hell there are very low mileage 2011s and 2010s that are stock and or barely used...

How is that not a good deal, you are looking at anywhere from 25-40% below of MSRP prices...To me that is a great deal, especially considering how rare they are.
I didn't mean to "always disagree." I even stated in my earlier post you can find older model gtrs in the 60-70k range. See above. I didn't disagree with you on that matter. Of course there are plenty of used GTRs for 65-75k.

It's just my personal opinion regarding this particular purchase. Most car enthusiasts, including myself, are very selective when it comes to purchases. It has fairly high mileage, heavily tracked and with major mods...hence out of warranty. Given the circumstances, even if you stripped the mods away I would say it would be worth maybe 60k bone stock, at most. Those mods, even if they were like new, would not be worth much more than 30-40k. If you are going by your 25-40% off msrp estimate, even 60k would be too much for this car if it was stock under warranty (80k was msrp on a 2010).
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I didn't mean to "always disagree." I even stated in my earlier post you can find older model gtrs in the 60-70k range. See above. I didn't disagree with you on that matter. Of course there are plenty of used GTRs for 65-75k.

It's just my personal opinion regarding this particular purchase. Most car enthusiasts, including myself, are very selective when it comes to purchases. It has fairly high mileage, heavily tracked and with major mods...hence out of warranty. Given the circumstances, even if you stripped the mods away I would say it would be worth maybe 60k bone stock, at most. Those mods, even if they were like new, would not be worth much more than 30-40k. If you are going by your 25-40% off msrp estimate, even 60k would be too much for this car if it was stock under warranty (80k was msrp on a 2010).
Holy snikes, forget Kingleh's car, what about the stock 2010 with 3,800 miles on it, or a host of other new(ish) GT-Rs for sale.... I know why people don't buy heavily modified cars, and modifications don't add value...

Buying a used GT-R you could save anywhere from 15-20k after the original owner takes the hit, it's a great buy, mostly mature owners who know how to treat cars like the GT-R, not some teenager doing AWD drifts and donuts in an STI or EVO.

There a number of great deals out there considering many quick turnover owners of the GT-R and owners dumping for 2012 or 2013 GT-Rs. Right now, it's a great market for any GT-R...and you don't take a hit like people do with AMGs do.

What would you do, c63amg coupe or a GT-R?

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I don't think so. Modding a car heavily damages it's resale value and takes it out of warrany. A low mile 2010 under warranty typically would run 65-70k. This one has also been driven very hard at multiple races/road courses (was used in Onelap America)...again hurting it's resale value. Also, I don't think it's a full alpha9 kit based on the parts. A full alpha9 runs about 23k plus labor. The other mods such as wheels and fenders are pricey, but don't make up for the rest in my mind. Therefore, 65k+23k+wheels, etc. I personally would not buy it given all the track time it's seen.
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Holy snikes, forget Kingleh's car, what about the stock 2010 with 3,800 miles on it, or a host of other new(ish) GT-Rs for sale.... I know why people don't buy heavily modified cars, and modifications don't add value...

Buying a used GT-R you could save anywhere from 15-20k after, especially when you have owners who know how to treat cars like the GT-R, not some teenager doing AWD drifts and donuts in an STI or EVO.

There a number of great deals out there considering many quick turnover owners of the GT-R and owners dumping for 2012 or 2013 GT-Rs. Right now, it's a great market for any GT-R...and you don't take a hit like people do with AMGs do.
Yeah there are some deals to be had. I agree with you Many sell them to upgrade to another GTR, esp. the 2012 and 2013.
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I thought you were stepping away from this thread, I'm still waiting on a response for why you chose a c63amg coupe over a GT-R. Especially considering all your comments about 'wannabe sportscars'....

There are some great deals out there, you can steal a GT-R right now....
I don't need a GT-R. I want a fast cruiser. The C63 fits the bill perfectly. If you hadn't noticed, I had stepped away until I saw I could post something relevant.
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hey look what I found a gtr with a broken rear diff, super car my ass


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is the GTR a supercar? fwck yea.

i think you guys mixup exotic and supercar.

bear with me. price cannot be used to define supercar. would you call a 200k bentley or 1 mil roll a supercar? i don't think so. they are expensive, but don't handle like a supercar.

so this leave the supercar criteria to performance, exclusivity, rarity, terror and respect. GTR performance is mind bogging (faster than pretty much most supercar out there, exclusive, and rare. in fact i think the GTR is more supercar than a 911 turbo or z06 because while the turbo/z06 is a soup up version of the regular 911 and vette that are everywhere, the GTR is an exclusive model on it own and when you see it on the street, you know it is a GTR. there is no mistaking it for another model from Nissan. terror/respect = GTR is godzilla for a reason.

do i think the m3 a supercar? NO. 3 series are everywhere and m3 not even close to GTR performance.

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So, W00tw00t --- you started this thread "in jest"?

Note to self ---- don't post in this assclown's threads as all you really wanted to do is stir the pot. All I can say is your life must be boring as hell if this is what gets you off.

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So, W00tw00t --- you started this thread "in jest"?

Note to self ---- don't post in this assclown's threads as all you really wanted to do is stir the pot. All I can say is your life must be boring as hell if this is what gets you off.

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Well there you go - I believe you're a good example of a personal attacker - calling me an assclown.

I wasn't stirring the pot. I geniunely want a GTR but am trying to hold off. I'll eventually get one. I stand by my statement that this forum does have a lot of posters who make personal attacks and ruin threads. and I do love both cars. Arguing over is GTR a supercar or not, is just flat out silly IMO. And healthy debates are always fun to read.. ones filled with silly illogical reasoning and personal attacks are not.
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Well there you go - I believe you're a good example of a personal attacker - calling me an assclown.

I wasn't stirring the pot. I geniunely want a GTR but am trying to hold off. I'll eventually get one. I stand by my statement that this forum does have a lot of posters who make personal attacks and ruin threads. and I do love both cars. Arguing over is GTR a supercar or not, is just flat out silly IMO. And healthy debates are always fun to read.. ones filled with silly illogical reasoning and personal attacks are not.
So you need the "wisdom" of somebody else (narrow minded "13 year old M3 owners") to talk you into or out of buying a car?

In any event, you can't have it both ways ---- is this thread in jest or not?

You're not being truthful --- either the thread was started because you care what others have to say about a car you are looking to buy or you wanted to stir the pot. It's really that simple.
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So you need the "wisdom" of somebody else (narrow minded "13 year old M3 owners") to talk you into or out of buying a car?

In any event, you can't have it both ways ---- is this thread in jest or not?

You're not being truthful --- either the thread was started because you care what others have to say about a car you are looking to buy () or you wanted to stir the pot. It's really that simple.
And, you need to relax a bit. Of course it was partly in fun but I wasn't trying to "stir the pot" as you say or be untruthful in any way. Haha! You mean me starting a thread on "please keep me away from a GTR" causes folks on this thread to go dizzy and freak out?

In my head I know I'll get a GTR eventually. Yes I can make my own decisions and have done so all my life - and am fairly successful at making them. Asking for others opinion is helpful when thinking through things. And the thread was doing great for the first few pages of replies. Its only towards the end that this thread went to pieces.
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