BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   M3Post - BMW M3 Forum > M3 (E90 / E92 / E93) > General M3 Forum (E90 + E92 + E93)
 
European Auto Source
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      11-01-2011, 01:45 PM   #1
von_zoom
Captain
von_zoom's Avatar
10
Rep
915
Posts

 
Drives: 2010 Z06
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: North Carolina

iTrader: (0)

DCT Transmission Shift without engine running

Recently my dealer installed a new software update which effected the DCT transmission. I cannot shift out of Park without the engine running, AND, I cannot start the car without the seat belt fastened. This is a pain in the Axx. What would you do if you had a garage fire. The fireman could not move the car with out starting it. Diddo if it needed towing and could not be started. How do you get a car on a roll back with the transmission in Park.

The car is going back to the dealer on Friday - To me, unacceptable this way.

Comments?
vz
__________________


Previous Track Toy
Appreciate 0
      11-01-2011, 01:51 PM   #2
M3SQRD
Colonel
M3SQRD's Avatar
United_States
24
Rep
2,480
Posts

 
Drives: E92 M3s,R56 CooperS,F22 228iX
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: EC

iTrader: (2)

Huh, I had the DCT update installed about a month ago and I can still start my car without my seatbelt on. Haven't tried shifting out of park without the engine running so I have no idea if that's related to the DCT update.
Appreciate 0
      11-01-2011, 06:26 PM   #3
von_zoom
Captain
von_zoom's Avatar
10
Rep
915
Posts

 
Drives: 2010 Z06
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: North Carolina

iTrader: (0)

dbarnes - I misspoke. I can start with out the seat belt. But can you shift out of park into an active gear without your seat belt on? I can get mine into neutral, but not an active gear. I do not like this set up, and I am going to get it changed if at all possible.
vz
__________________


Previous Track Toy
Appreciate 0
      11-01-2011, 06:42 PM   #4
M3SQRD
Colonel
M3SQRD's Avatar
United_States
24
Rep
2,480
Posts

 
Drives: E92 M3s,R56 CooperS,F22 228iX
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: EC

iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by von_zoom View Post
dbarnes - I misspoke. I can start with out the seat belt. But can you shift out of park into an active gear without your seat belt on? I can get mine into neutral, but not an active gear. I do not like this set up, and I am going to get it changed if at all possible.
vz
Yes - I had my car at a friends shop a couple of weeks ago and we had to reposition the car so it was centered on his lift. Did not need to put my seatbelt on to move the car forward as well as in reverse. Now I haven't tried moving the car with the door open so I'm not sure what DCT will do if I have the door open.
Appreciate 0
      11-01-2011, 07:08 PM   #5
von_zoom
Captain
von_zoom's Avatar
10
Rep
915
Posts

 
Drives: 2010 Z06
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: North Carolina

iTrader: (0)

Thanks, this will help when I go into the dealer on Friday. My car will not go into gear with the seat belt on. I can put a "dummy" belt end (from spare seat belt) into the seat belt recepticle and the car will go into gear. A work around if all else fails, but still I think the deal sucks.
vz
__________________


Previous Track Toy
Appreciate 0
      11-01-2011, 07:17 PM   #6
mkoesel
Moderator
United_States
183
Rep
13,842
Posts

 
Drives: 2015 SO/CSAT F80 M3
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Canton, MI

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by dbarnes View Post
Now I haven't tried moving the car with the door open so I'm not sure what DCT will do if I have the door open.
It will automatically put the car into neutral. IIRC, this "feature" was also not present on the original builds either, it was added via a software update sometime ago.

Quote:
Originally Posted by von_zoom View Post
The car is going back to the dealer on Friday - To me, unacceptable this way.
Discussed here:

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=594725

I don't think they will be keen on going back to an old version of the software. But its worth a try. Let us know how it goes.
__________________
A gen-u-ine BMW eff-eight-zero with them tandem clutches in the transmission and that dad gum sun roof on the top-a da cawr.
Appreciate 0
      11-04-2011, 05:42 PM   #7
pharmdphd98
PharM3
pharmdphd98's Avatar
6
Rep
295
Posts

 
Drives: 2010 E92 M3
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: CA

iTrader: (0)

More reasons to get the 6 MT.
Appreciate 0
      11-04-2011, 08:30 PM   #8
VictorH
Captain
16
Rep
640
Posts

 
Drives: '09 M3
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: SC

iTrader: (2)

Yes, let us know how it goes. I put the same comments on my service evaluation when my software was upgraded last week. Software upgrade is a down grade. Three things I noticed.
1) You can not move the car without the seatbelt fastened. Every morning I have to move my car about 20' get out and close a gate. Car now won't stay in gear without a seat belt so what I do is start the car and then put the passenger belt in the driver's side socket.
2) Can't engage gear with the door open. Ever back up next to a curb or obstacle and want to look out the open driver's door to check to see you don't hit anything. Can't do that anymore either.
3) The stupid gong function seems to go all the time now. Back up out of a parking spot and put it into neutral while still rolling, "GONG." Going home and pull up to the gate that I have to open, while still rolling forward at 0.5 mph in neutral, "GONG." " Stop car, in neutral, engine running, handbrake on, "GONG, Park setting not engaged." Why does it tell me that the car never engages park function while running.

I suspect they think they are making the car "safer" but have added no enhanced safety, just nuisance. You can drive your car without the seatbelt on once you are going, you just can't start from a stop.
Appreciate 0
      11-04-2011, 08:57 PM   #9
gthal
Brigadier General
gthal's Avatar
Canada
82
Rep
3,501
Posts

 
Drives: 2015 M4
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Canada

iTrader: (2)

Garage List
2011 M3  [3.37]
Quote:
Originally Posted by pharmdphd98 View Post
More reasons to get the 6 MT.
Yeah, yeah... want me to name the reasons to not get a 6MT? I won't bother because it isn't worth the effort any longer.

OP... you can manually put the car in neutral if need be. It's in the manual.
__________________
2015 M4 | Austin Yellow | Black Full Merino Leather | DCT
2014 Corvette Stingray | Z51 | Torch Red | 7MT - Sold
2012 MB C63 Coupe | Performance package | Obsidian Black - Sold
2011 E92 M3 | Jerez Black | Fox Red | DCT | Competition Package - Sold
Appreciate 0
      11-04-2011, 09:05 PM   #10
kscarrol
Colonel
United_States
37
Rep
2,306
Posts

 
Drives: 2011 E90 M3
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: New Orleans, LA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by VictorH View Post
2) Can't engage gear with the door open. Ever back up next to a curb or obstacle and want to look out the open driver's door to check to see you don't hit anything. Can't do that anymore either.
This one is not so new. My 9/10 build car, factory installed software, never updated, does this as well...
__________________
Current: 2011 Space Grey E90 M3, DCT, Comp. Pkg., Conv. Pkg., everything but Cold Weather Pkg!
Gone: 2008 550, Space Grey, Sports Package, Sport Auto Transmission.
Sold: 2004 545i (U.S.), Steptronic, Silver Gray.
Appreciate 0
      11-04-2011, 09:17 PM   #11
-=Hot|Ice=-
Been There, Done That.
-=Hot|Ice=-'s Avatar
United_States
184
Rep
4,727
Posts

 
Drives: 2013 BMW M3
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Maryland

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by gthal View Post
Yeah, yeah... want me to name the reasons to not get a 6MT? I won't bother because it isn't worth the effort any longer.

OP... you can manually put the car in neutral if need be. It's in the manual.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaypod View Post
You sound like my buddies who have AMG's - Slam the gas, slam the brakes...
Appreciate 0
      11-04-2011, 11:12 PM   #12
BMW Fanatic
Banned
Canada
61
Rep
3,314
Posts

 
Drives: slow
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Calgary

iTrader: (11)

Software is whacked up in my opinion, I can choose all gears (1-7 and R) without the seat belt on. But, with the door open it's 50/50 the car will go from R to N.

BMW needs to address this and stop wasting time on useless ///M's like the Frozen Silver.
Appreciate 0
      11-05-2011, 09:20 AM   #13
von_zoom
Captain
von_zoom's Avatar
10
Rep
915
Posts

 
Drives: 2010 Z06
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: North Carolina

iTrader: (0)

My E92 was back at the dealer yesterday, but relative to this topic, there was no cure for what has already been done. Guess we have to live with it. If there is any satisfaction, the dealer has to live with the same problem, and they too are complaining. But, alas, I have a work around - I have a key
vz

Name:  Key.JPG
Views: 317
Size:  159.4 KB
__________________


Previous Track Toy
Appreciate 0
      11-05-2011, 11:46 AM   #14
Mitchell
Private
Germany
0
Rep
53
Posts

 
Drives: M3
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Gimsbach

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by pharmdphd98 View Post
More reasons to get the 6 MT.
spoken as if from someone who couldn't operate a 6 speed with any real finesse outside of a dream.
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:24 AM.




m3post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST