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      10-23-2011, 10:59 AM   #23
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Has anyone seen the proposed track layout. The last thing F1 needs is a street racing filled with 90 degree turns and some straight. And turned out to be another borefest like Valencia. Singapore was marginally interesting due to incidents, but the track itself was boring.
Yeah your right, they should run on one of our great ovals.

We just saw what 230+mph and open wheeled cars can do last week.

Per square mile, there is not a higher populated area, there are 5 MAJOR airports within an hour, 3 of them international. Its really the perfect area.
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If the NJ race does materialize, if won't last. Maybe a couple races.
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Yeah your right, they should run on one of our great ovals.
Why are you talking about ovals?!

Do you even watch the F1 races? Valencia street course is a snooze fest.
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Why are you talking about ovals?!

Do you even watch the F1 races? Valencia street course is a snooze fest.
No, I only attend 2 events a year. No idea what they are like.
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Yeah your right, they should run on one of our great ovals.

We just saw what 230+mph and open wheeled cars can do last week.

Per square mile, there is not a higher populated area, there are 5 MAJOR airports within an hour, 3 of them international. Its really the perfect area.
I'm assuming you said it in sarcasm. Anyhow, What i meant were street circuits are generally boring due to city street configuration. straight then right corner turns. lack of sweeps and continuous corners like the S-curves in Suzuka, Sector 2 in Korea, and becketts complex in silverstone. as well as elevation change like spa...those are good tracks....i apologize if i did not make myself clear in the first place...

what i feel about street circuits are just a mere display of the cars on the street. and they pick the course not because of the track layout or the challenges, but the skyline behind where will be a great camera shots for the helicopters and bernie himself...


sorry i'm no red neck, i cannot stand cars running on ovals for many laps...unless i'm having insomnia and cannot sleep....
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Yeah your right, they should run on one of our great ovals.

We just saw what 230+mph and open wheeled cars can do last week.

Per square mile, there is not a higher populated area, there are 5 MAJOR airports within an hour, 3 of them international. Its really the perfect area.
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No, I only attend 2 events a year. No idea what they are like.
Valencia is a street circuit raced since 2008 season. For four years in a row, its been a snore fest where no real racing going on. The highlight in the past 4 years over there was, Kimi Raikkonen's car blew up in 2008, Hamilton cocked up pit stop in 2009 and gave Rubens his win, Mark Webber's flying Red Bull and pissed off Alonso where Hamilton overtook the Safety car and still maintained P2 even after the Drive thru penalty.

Anything happened this year??? I cannot remember, not much has going on.
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Valencia is a street circuit raced since 2008 season. For four years in a row, its been a snore fest where no real racing going on. The highlight in the past 4 years over there was, Kimi Raikkonen's car blew up in 2008, Hamilton cocked up pit stop in 2009 and gave Rubens his win, Mark Webber's flying Red Bull and pissed off Alonso where Hamilton overtook the Safety car and still maintained P2 even after the Drive thru penalty.

Anything happened this year??? I cannot remember, not much has going on.
By that standard was Monaco exciting?
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By that standard was Monaco exciting?
Depends on different years. But Monaco is a damn side more history and luxury than Singapore and Valencia.

Its no standard, Monaco is just much more special than the modern street racing we have in Singapore and Valencia, big run off area with grand stands miles away. Not like Monaco where you can have apartments right next to the track.

I suggest you re-watch Valencia races if you can stay up at all. Its hardly exciting at all.
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      10-23-2011, 05:27 PM   #31
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So in your opinion, where should a "second american grand prix" be hosted, that is going to be on the same level fiscally, but more "exciting" then?

F1 is still a business at the end of the day.
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So in your opinion, where should a "second american grand prix" be hosted, that is going to be on the same level fiscally, but more "exciting" then?

F1 is still a business at the end of the day.
I never said it wasn't. I do not mind to have another American GP. But I still think street track is the least thing F1 needs on the calender, we have three already, do we need four in one year? Where we stare at the Manhattan skyline and cars goes finish by the sequence where they qualify and start?

Not even DRS, KERS, and new high degradation Pirelli tires can help excite the Valencia track.

If anything, the reason F1 will be street track at New Jersey is not about excitement of the race, its the view and the hosting fee the organizers can pay Bernie and FOM at the end of the day.
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Anyhow, if NJ really hosting the second US GP, and it delivers. It will be great. Period.
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I guess we will find out tuesday 2pm.
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In May 2010, F1 announced a plan to return to the U.S. The Formula One Grand Prix of America will be held in November 2012 at a $250 million purpose-built racetrack in Austin, Texas. The Grand Prix in New Jersey will mark a second U.S. race on the 2013 calendar, these people said.

POSSIBLE layout

TWO races in America? What else would they bump out??
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^well that was an abysmal excuse for reporting.

Lmao at "greater New York area" yeah it's called the tri-state area buddy, you write for the WSJ...you should know this.

#beingpedantic


Obj but the layout doesn't look terrible actually. I could dig it...now which seating area will I buy tickets for?
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Obj but the layout doesn't look terrible actually. I could dig it...now which seating area will I buy tickets for?
+1, I was figuring they'd have to lay it out by a park or something with curves.

Once the track is announced, I'm driving down there ASAP and setting some laps
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+1, I was figuring they'd have to lay it out by a park or something with curves.

Once the track is announced, I'm driving down there ASAP and setting some laps
And stop by Ben & Jerry while ur at it...
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I wouldnt mind a second GP in the US, specially in NJ. I have tons of family and friends to crash w/ but I would have a major problem w/ another boring street circuit

Valencia and Singapore are extremely boring tracks, not only to watch but to race also. Singapore has been borderline acceptable cause of all the shit that has happened in the past, similar w/ Valencia. Unless something crazy happens, we forget those races even took place.

You cant compare these to Monaco though. Monaco has so much history its ridiculous and the track is amazing to drive, its one of my fav tracks in F1 2010/11. Maybe because I grew up watching Senna tear it up through there but its one of my fav tracks.

If they can pull off an exciting street circuit, then by all means
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Let's say for S&G that IS the layout, I think it'd be best counter-clockwise. At first shot, I didn't think this would be a good track design but after much thought it looks like it could be really challenging and not boring. Bear with me through the following HYPOTHETICAL scenario:

Start/Finish is up top, just after that left hairpin, let's say right there at 'Liberty Skyline'. That would be the best pit straight IMO into a nice, fast looking right hander into a tight 90-left. Nice, fast, sweeping run into the chicane off JFK into a few 90's. Coming out of the righty at 'Port Imperial' DRS detection around the 'NY Waterway' with DRS activation after the right, in front of Ben and Jerry's there. High speed down into a super right (like turn 14 at China). Pit entrance is at the 'Y' in '...Defino WaY'

Honestly just bored at work and looking forward to India. Need my F1 fix after korea! lol
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Interesting. Autoweek is reporting that 'The race is expected to be paired with the Canadian GP and a yet-to-be-announced Mexican GP.'

I'd actually be more excited about the Mexico City GP if they'd bring the Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez back for F1.
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And stop by Ben & Jerry while ur at it...
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the MTV jersey shore grand prix de guido
exactly.



That pic makes me sad for F1
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