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      10-13-2011, 05:38 PM   #23
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James T. Kirk,

James you should keep it in the family I did pass my now almost 25 year old 535is on to my daughter I just restored the car for the second time for her she still loves the car since it has so many good memories.

However, only you can decide as (you well know) if she is ready to drive your M3 and if your decision is yes you will have nothing to worry about. Girls are far more responsible and I think they know the limits.

PS. The part about the 15 year old ... well hope his parents know what they are doing. When I was 15 I had to ask permission to use my fathers bicycle ... then those were much different times.

Edit .... Looking back in time now ... I have to add one point and that is ... I always worried about the other kids her friends etc. Still then only the father can decide what to do for he knows his child (by then a teenager). It has been now some 15 years since I gave my daughter my 535is and apart from bumping the front spoiler several times all has been well. So I guess in my case I was lucky since the 535is was just one step below the M5 at the time.
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      10-13-2011, 05:42 PM   #24
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But your daughters(if you have any) don't have balls. So they can't bust them. By default, they win. :P

[Edit]: You said butt not balls.
The girls (if he has any) surely have a nicer butt then his ... yes

Devil made me say it I could not help myself hehehe
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      10-13-2011, 05:46 PM   #25
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There are two issues here:
1) You want to keep the M3
2) Your daughter will want a car soon (note: "want" not "need")

If money is not an issue, then keep the M3 and get her a decent first car (e.g., Honda Civic/Fit). Or sell the M3, buy her a decent first car, and invest the balance towards an F80 M3 (or college).

If you give her the M3 and there ever is an accident/problem/etc., think about how you're going to feel. Why take the risk? Their lives have enough hazards as it is.

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Anyone thinking giving an M3 to a teenager should also put a supercharger, so that the teenager can at least die for sure.
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      10-13-2011, 05:55 PM   #27
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Sure. Sounds like a great way to thin the herd prior to college.
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      10-13-2011, 05:58 PM   #28
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Wow I had a feeling most people would say no but not this many. If there was a poll it would probably be 99% no and 1% yes.
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      10-13-2011, 05:59 PM   #29
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Cars have kept climbing up in HP over the years. So much so that they're at the point where many adults don't even have the wherewithal to drive them safely. A child should not be driving a 400+ hp car on the streets no matter how responsible they are. The lack of experience means that they are more prone to make mistakes - with more power, the shorter the time to react to recover. Higher power means higher speeds and the risk and gravity of injuries increases accordingly. It's a very bad idea.
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most of these posts are crap....my first car was a brand new M3 coupe that i paid for 80% of it on my own and took a loan out for the rest...insured in my name and worked plus went to school to pay for it because my father hated german cars and since an M3 was what i wanted i was on my own...knowing what kind of car i was buying my father also sent me to two high performance driving schools right after i got my license just so he knew i would be able to handle myself....3 M3's, 5 corvettes, and a few other sports cars and countless sport bikes sprinkled in there i have never had one accident or point on my license...so it drives me a little crazy when people are like kids cant be trusted with sports cars...to be honest most adults shouldnt be trusted either...i know way to many 30 year old guys that all of a sudden want to ride a bike and go out and buy a GSX-R 1000 and are on the ground two lights out of the dealership....rant over
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My parents got me one when I was seventeen... Now 18 no accidents yet lol... But I've been driving cars since I was 12 and stick since 13... Although I agree that it's a stupid idea I'm glad they did.
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Cars have kept climbing up in HP over the years. So much so that they're at the point where many adults don't even have the wherewithal to drive them safely. ...
Or another take on this view: you go to an HPDE and hear instructors recommend that students should learn in a relatively low HP car. And the students are adults who have all been driving for some time . . .
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      10-13-2011, 06:06 PM   #34
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Although I agree that it's a stupid idea I'm glad they did.
Haha I guess this pretty sums it up.
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Definitely not. In an M3 or similar, it's easy to get caught up in the moment and before you know it, your at deadly speeds. In the hands of a teen, that's asking for trouble.

Beyond the safety issue, there's other issues like the fact that handing a $70k car to a teen is just plain spoiling them to the point where's it's almost obscene.
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      10-13-2011, 06:14 PM   #36
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Anyone thinking giving an M3 to a teenager should also put a supercharger, so that the teenager can at least die for sure.
Maybe cut out the seat belts and remove the airbags too!
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its not only about the risk of hazard by giving your teenager anything above above 4 cyl's,
like others point, its about earning it. If you give him for first time to drive the king of all cars, then what will be the point of learning to appreciate it?
He will never do. Value wise, or performance wise.
On the other hand, I am not one of those that say 'your first car should be a crappy one' I think thats non-sense.
So a mellow small car like a japanese one or a small benz would be the entry point.
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my father also sent me to two high performance driving schools right after i got my license just so he knew i would be able to handle myself
Unless you're very talented or had crappy instructors (that gave you thumbs up), 2 HPDSs don't mean much.
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I say it depends on the kid. I'm 18 with an 08 E92 M3 so maybe my view is skewed. I got a Honda CR-V as my first car when I was 16, 2010 Camaro SS when I was 17, and M3 when I turned 18. Maybe give your daughter a beater car for her first year of driving (keep the M3) and then give her the M3 a year later?

My advice is probably not that great since everyone votes "no" so far. I'm just trying to point out that not every teen with a fast car will be wreckless (yes, I agree the majority will be). Plus you have a daughter and not a son, maybe that will help? haha
It's not only about the power, although that is a consideration. For me, it is more about teaching the value of money. No matter what one says, you will NEVER value what it takes to earn enough to buy an M3 until you have had to do it yourself. Whether you have the means or not, everyone should know and respect the value of what it takes to earn your keep. I am not saying that people with means should deprive their kids, but an M3 is a bit much. Even if you want to buy your kid a nice car with a bit of sportiness, how about something like a Nissan Sentra SE-R or a Honda Civic Si?
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most of these posts are crap....my first car was a brand new M3 coupe ....3 M3's, 5 corvettes, and a few other sports cars and countless sport bikes sprinkled in there i have never had one accident or point on my license...
Wow, your sample size of one completely negates the mountains of statistics about teen drivers being vastly more likely to get into accidents and be killed than other drivers.

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... so it drives me a little crazy when people are like kids cant be trusted with sports cars...to be honest most adults shouldnt be trusted either...i know way to many 30 year old guys that all of a sudden want to ride a bike and go out and buy a GSX-R 1000 and are on the ground two lights out of the dealership....rant over
Whether adults also engage in dangerous or foolish behavior is irrelevant.
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I say let them be responsible for a beater first then see how things go.
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No

even if I were rich and had the money to do so...No

I'd rather have my kid growing up not spoiled, have a strong work ethic, who appreciates the value of money, and works hard to earn something.

That and the potential for what can happen when you mix a high performance V8 car and an adolescent driver.

Plus, I'm going to have to pay for his/her college tuition...so college tuition > M3
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I say it depends on the kid. I'm 18 with an 08 E92 M3 so maybe my view is skewed. I got a Honda CR-V as my first car when I was 16, 2010 Camaro SS when I was 17, and M3 when I turned 18. Maybe give your daughter a beater car for her first year of driving (keep the M3) and then give her the M3 a year later?

My advice is probably not that great since everyone votes "no" so far. I'm just trying to point out that not every teen with a fast car will be wreckless (yes, I agree the majority will be). Plus you have a daughter and not a son, maybe that will help? haha
After seeing people I grew up with die at the ages of 15-21 I say no and yes.
Beater for a first year and then the M3 if she deserves it, I mean who wouldn't want to give their kids the best they can when they can be trusted and appreciative?
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most of these posts are crap....my first car was a brand new M3 coupe that i paid for 80% of it on my own and took a loan out for the rest...insured in my name and worked plus went to school to pay for it because my father hated german cars and since an M3 was what i wanted i was on my own...knowing what kind of car i was buying my father also sent me to two high performance driving schools right after i got my license just so he knew i would be able to handle myself....3 M3's, 5 corvettes, and a few other sports cars and countless sport bikes sprinkled in there i have never had one accident or point on my license...so it drives me a little crazy when people are like kids cant be trusted with sports cars...to be honest most adults shouldnt be trusted either...i know way to many 30 year old guys that all of a sudden want to ride a bike and go out and buy a GSX-R 1000 and are on the ground two lights out of the dealership....rant over
Sorry, but a child can not pay for 80% of an M3 new and/or put themselves through school, unless you worked for your parents/oldmoney and made $XXXX/hr through the family biz. I don't mean it in a rude manner at all just so you know.
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Seriously, it does not take an M3 to get into trouble. Texting in an Acura at 30mph can kill. Expense is always a consideration (as are insurance rates), but safety pays for itself in the first accident. I'm sure the poor soul laid up in traction doesn't get much solace recalling that he saved $100/month in car payments over a safer car. So M3, no I would not, but a BMW or other well-built, safe car? Absolutely!

Interesting thing I saw in Bimmer or Roundel (?) recently was a recommendation to consider a used Z3. The argument was that if your kid has a 2-seater, she is less likely to be driving everyone around town.
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Why not sell your M3 in the classifieds section on here (most likely to be gone in a day considering the amount of people who missed the boat) and send your daughter to college. Once she graduates from there then buy her an M3 or any other car of your choice. I'm assuming that if you're already selling your 2011 E90 then money is not an issue and you didn't finance it, just think about what's worth more. Saving a few thousand or saving your daughters life. I'm 20 and paid for my own E92, I agree with most of the people on here but for different reasons. At the end of the day a 40 year old could be a worse driver in the 400+hp beast than an 18 year old but what counts is the safety of your seed in this world.
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