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      09-14-2011, 05:20 PM   #1
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I think the canary just died

Two elections, two huge Republican victories. And they were not even close--both in the mid-50's as a percent of the vote. ALthough the DNC Chairman seems to seems to think it was just an aberration due to the makeup of the electorate, several things seem evident:

-The president's coat tails are not of any aid, in fact he's toxic.
-The vote-out-the-bums mood seems to have turned into a vote-out-the-democrat bums mood
-Jews are waking up to the threat posed to Israel by this administration (finally!)
-These victory percentages are very high, these guys won with margins larger than the president's "historic" victory.
-The democrat party needs to do some serious fundraising really quickly and get ready to spend heavily because there will not be many locked down house and senate elections coming up.
-From this admittedly small sample, one could conclude that the last election cycle was just a warning of larger democrat debacles to come.
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I guess that explains why Obama is crushing the current Republican front-runner by 8 points (Obama 50% to Perry 42%) Reuters/Ipsos
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I guess that explains why Obama is crushing the current Republican front-runner by 8 points (Obama 50% to Perry 42%) Reuters/Ipsos
Rasmussen: Romney: 43% Obama: 40%
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This OP is about congress, where the real power resides, and I think there are some real, solid indicators of things to come--we'll see.

I do hope someone understands that there is a difference between the virtual world (polling) and the real world (election results).

And how's our president doing against the "generic republican"? You know, an imaginary opponent?
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Since this is about Congress, I think I agree with you.... and I think it sucks.

Obama strives to be bipartisan with everything he does and it's just not happening in Congress. It seems to me that many Republicans disagree with everything Obama supports, even if they themselves supported it earlier. It's almost like they're purposely blocking every bill Obama throws at them until they water it down so much that it doesn't improve anything at all. The American people then see it as Obama's failure, which it kind of is since he and the Democrats suck at compromising.

The shit hits the fan and the POTUS naturally gets the blame for it, and then the GOP is back in power in 2012.

Call me an idiot or a big bad socialist Nazi sympathizer but that's just what I've noticed... I'm sure this Congress isn't the first to do shit like this either.
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Since this is about Congress, I think I agree with you.... and I think it sucks.

Obama strives to be bipartisan with everything he does and it's just not happening in Congress. It seems to me that many Republicans disagree with everything Obama supports, even if they themselves supported it earlier. It's almost like they're purposely blocking every bill Obama throws at them until they water it down so much that it doesn't improve anything at all. The American people then see it as Obama's failure, which it kind of is since he and the Democrats suck at compromising.

The shit hits the fan and the POTUS naturally gets the blame for it, and then the GOP is back in power in 2012.

Call me an idiot or a big bad socialist Nazi sympathizer but that's just what I've noticed... I'm sure this Congress isn't the first to do shit like this either.
Exactly.
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This OP is about congress, where the real power resides, and I think there are some real, solid indicators of things to come--we'll see.

I do hope someone understands that there is a difference between the virtual world (polling) and the real world (election results).

And how's our president doing against the "generic republican"? You know, an imaginary opponent?
Approval of Congressional Republicans: 22%
Approval of Obama: 47%

Reuters/Ipsos

But you are correct, an imaginary person beats the crap out of every single current Republican candidate, since the current choices for Tea Party Republicans are all horrible. It's such a weak pool of candidates, that people's imaginary friends from childhood would make better Presidents than any of the current choices. Tea Party Republicans would do so much better in elections, if they could just get rid of all the current candidates they are stuck with.
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-The vote-out-the-bums mood seems to have turned into a vote-out-the-democrat bums mood
No, it is still a "vote-out-the-bums" mood, which is why the House will change hands again this election cycle.

Hating politicians is now a national pasttime, but Tea Party popularity is holding a record for dislike, with the Tea Party being "less popular than much maligned groups like 'atheists' and 'Muslims.'"

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/s...160220531.html


The thing that you guys get confused on is that you think dragging down Democrats makes the Tea Party and Republicans MORE popular. It doesn't. Polls show that the Tea Party and Republicans are losing popularity right along with the Democratic Party. If you think I'm wrong, just try to find an admitted George Bush Republican Party supporter on the web these days -- even though 97% of the right-wing voted as Pro-Bush Republicans in 2004.

All the Tea Party Republicans are doing is feeding the popularity of the "Fucking-Pissed At Everyone Party".

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Two elections, two huge Republican victories. And they were not even close--both in the mid-50's as a percent of the vote. ALthough the DNC Chairman seems to seems to think it was just an aberration due to the makeup of the electorate, several things seem evident:

-The president's coat tails are not of any aid, in fact he's toxic.
-The vote-out-the-bums mood seems to have turned into a vote-out-the-democrat bums mood
-Jews are waking up to the threat posed to Israel by this administration (finally!)
-These victory percentages are very high, these guys won with margins larger than the president's "historic" victory.
-The democrat party needs to do some serious fundraising really quickly and get ready to spend heavily because there will not be many locked down house and senate elections coming up.
-From this admittedly small sample, one could conclude that the last election cycle was just a warning of larger democrat debacles to come.
You didn't even mention that one of the victories was in NYC - which is traditionally a stauchly democratic electorate.
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Approval of Congressional Republicans: 22%
Approval of Obama: 47%

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But you are correct, an imaginary person beats the crap out of every single current Republican candidate, since the current choices for Tea Party Republicans are all horrible. It's such a weak pool of candidates, that people's imaginary friends from childhood would make better Presidents than any of the current choices. Tea Party Republicans would do so much better in elections, if they could just get rid of all the current candidates they are stuck with.
Wow, biased much? I personally welcome fresh approaches to the current political debate. I consider myself a moderate, and so find it hard to believe I would ever vote for a seriously conservative or tea party candidate. But if you actually listen to the debates, you will see that the ideas and approaches they bring to the table are anything but homogeneous or 'horrible'. They just happen to represent the extreme-right spectrum (the tea party candidates, that is), and so some of their ideas are a bit 'out there'.
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The republican won a seat that's been democrat controlled for 88 years. Oh, no big deal, everyone still loves Obama because he's so great and he's still making lots of hope and change. Right.
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You didn't even mention that one of the victories was in NYC - which is traditionally a stauchly democratic electorate.
Yeah, but it would just be one more fact that the resident libtards would ignore as they veer wildly off topic. I talk congressional races, they want to talk about something else. Come to think about, if I were them I'd change the subject too!

And I guess they actually don't know the difference between the virtual and real worlds. If polls were reality we wouldn't have to actually run the race.
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You didn't even mention that one of the victories was in NYC - which is traditionally a stauchly democratic electorate.
He also didn't mention Democrat Kathy Hochulís win in one of New York's most heavily conservative districts (NY-26) special election just this spring. Did you forget about that election?

So do you think that the Democrat winning in a heavily Republican district was an affirmation of the Obama administration? Or is it only THIS election that matters? You can't have it both ways.
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He also didn't mention Democrat Kathy Hochul’s win in one of New York's most heavily conservative districts (NY-26) special election just this spring. Did you forget about that election?

So do you think that the Democrat winning in a heavily Republican district was an affirmation of the Obama administration? Or is it only THIS election that matters? You can't have it both ways.
Don't read too much into my statement - I was only adding to the debate. I probably should have added a disclaimer .

I think it is intriguing that a republican won in a relatively liberal district, and COULD be a harbinger for the future. It is certainly something worth discussing, IMO.

That being said, it's such a small sample size that we can't get ahead of ourselves and now assume that Republicans will now win all the campaigns in 2012. As your (and the Rasmussen) poll showed, there is still a substantial group of Americans who support Obama (and democrats) for next year.
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Yeah, but it would just be one more fact that the resident libtards would ignore as they veer wildly off topic. I talk congressional races, they want to talk about something else. Come to think about, if I were them I'd change the subject too!

And I guess they actually don't know the difference between the virtual and real worlds. If polls were reality we wouldn't have to actually run the race.
While I'm glad that you brought up this point, let's not get down to name calling. Series11 and the others - while their ideologies may differ from my own, I have come to respect their opinions. Let's try to be civil, mate .
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Wow, biased much? I personally welcome fresh approaches to the current political debate. I consider myself a moderate, and so find it hard to believe I would ever vote for a seriously conservative or tea party candidate. But if you actually listen to the debates, you will see that the ideas and approaches they bring to the table are anything but homogeneous or 'horrible'. They just happen to represent the extreme-right spectrum (the tea party candidates, that is), and so some of their ideas are a bit 'out there'.

I didn't say they were homogeneous. Each is fatally flawed in their own ways.

I listened to the debates. And like most folks, I'm absolutely shocked by the audience giving the biggest applause line of one entire debate to Perry executing over 200 people, (some with serious doubts to the guilt which Perry is actively covering up.)

Like most folks, I'm distantancing myself from the Tea Party Republican crowd who shouted out they wanted their fellow Americans to die. I'm with the bulk of Americans who are just like the folks who risked their lives to lift a burning car off a motorcyclist. That's how true Americans help each other in times of need.

The polls reflect my viewpoint. The more people hear from the current pool of Tea Party Republican candidates, the less they like any of them.

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Yeah, but it would just be one more fact that the resident libtards would ignore as they veer wildly off topic. I talk congressional races, they want to talk about something else. Come to think about, if I were them I'd change the subject too!

And I guess they actually don't know the difference between the virtual and real worlds. If polls were reality we wouldn't have to actually run the race.
Same point to you as to pman

You didn't mention Democrat Kathy Hochulís win in one of New York's most heavily conservative districts (NY-26) special election just this spring. Did you forget about that election?

So do you think that the Democrat winning in a heavily Republican district was an affirmation of the Obama administration? Or is it only THIS election that matters? You can't have it both ways.
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You think the person that agreed with the leaving to die of the hypothetical patient was someone from the Tea Party? That was a plant in there from CNN.
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You think the person that agreed with the leaving to die of the hypothetical patient was someone from the Tea Party? That was a plant in there from CNN.
Sorry but you can't blame this one on the lame stream media. There was a loud applause to Ron Paul's statements and more than just one voice shouting yeah when Wolf Blitzer asked if the uninsured patient needing intensive care should be left to die. When the cameras pan the audience you clearly see that everyone was clapping. The Tea Party crowd is a pretty heartless bunch.

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While I'm glad that you brought up this point, let's not get down to name calling. Series11 and the others - while their ideologies may differ from my own, I have come to respect their opinions. Let's try to be civil, mate .
You are right of course. Totally out of bounds. Finger/keyboard slip. Meant to call them "High minded defenders of freedom and the American way!". Never happen again!
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He also didn't mention Democrat Kathy Hochul’s win in one of New York's most heavily conservative districts (NY-26) special election just this spring. Did you forget about that election?

So do you think that the Democrat winning in a heavily Republican district was an affirmation of the Obama administration? Or is it only THIS election that matters? You can't have it both ways.
Actually I can have it any way I want but my post was about these two, joined in time, elections. I think the mood has changed in the last half year just a bit. In an effort to be accommodating though we can include that one but it would also seem logical to go ahead and include the last full congressional election cycle also. I seem to remember there were some historically significant results weren't there? Back to the OP at hand...the margin of these two wins was also significant and noteworthy.

I have to amend--I actually think the canary died and several more are looking mighty poorly.

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Once again, naive...without any insurance you really think poor people with serious medical conditions are allowed to die?...funny...obvious you dont work in the medical industry...why do you think ER's lose money?...the charity care numbers are extremely high now...if they have a heart attack or cancer, you think the hosp's throw them out into the streets.

Once again you speak like a jaded politician but when it comes down to the details you are sadly mis-informed.

You imply demo's would pull off a burning car from a motorcyclist while tea baggers and repubs would not...you imply alot of things incorrectly...you assume alot too...ludicrous.



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I didn't say they were homogeneous. Each is fatally flawed in their own ways.

I listened to the debates. And like most folks, I'm absolutely shocked by the audience giving the biggest applause line of one entire debate to Perry executing over 200 people, (some with serious doubts to the guilt which Perry is actively covering up.)

Like most folks, I'm distantancing myself from the Tea Party Republican crowd who shouted out they wanted their fellow Americans to die. I'm with the bulk of Americans who are just like the folks who risked their lives to lift a burning car off a motorcyclist. That's how true Americans help each other in times of need.

The polls reflect my viewpoint. The more people hear from the current pool of Tea Party Republican candidates, the less they like any of them.
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