ESS VT3 Supercharger - Low Compression M3 S65 Engine Build Has Begun... - Page 12

Roman@ESS · 08-30-2011, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DLSJ5

Here you go.

DLSJ5 · 08-30-2011, 12:41 PM

Built Motor is in -

flipm3 · 08-30-2011, 12:42 PM

Those valve covers look pretty cool!!! Mad props.

img · 08-30-2011, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DLSJ5

Built Motor is in -

HEART OF THE BEAST !

Team Plutonium · 08-30-2011, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DLSJ5

Built Motor is in -

swamp2 · 08-31-2011, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by img

Swamp, "we" keep talking from real life using a combination of actual dyno charts input into CarTest, shift times from vBox entered into CarTest etc., then simulating the results. We are also talking our own Mexico runs that have the same results. So far, the CarTest results perfectly match the real life results we've seen. You haven't offered any simulations or any real-life data other than stock cars in controlled environments with professional drivers. When you double the horsepower, I'm telling you that everything changes. I'm sure you're mulling over the data posted above and looking for something wrong. It will be interesting to see what you come up with.

Sorry been super busy with work and life outside work as well.

Please start another thread. A good topic might be "the importance of DCT for drag racing" or something along those lines. I promise I will have a closer look at your results and reply with my own simulations.

One point does immediately stand out though. Your losses are almost for sure incorrect. Incorrect based on real world validations as well as text book values. Run your losses with a standard power car and see how far off you are from the best reported magazine times! If your losses are off (too high) but results are right then you are right for the wrong reason and thus a likely conclusion would that true power is actually a bit higher than your input power.

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Originally Posted by img

BTW, I don't think the accepted science of trap speed isn't as universally accepted as you think. I was at an NHRA drag race last year and asked one of the top fuel drag racers this exact question. At first he laughed and then added that everything from shift speed to gear ratios affects the trap speed. So just to satisfy my own curiosity, I ran CarTest simulations on a bone stock DCT modifying nothing but the final drive ratio from 1.50 to 3.62. CarTest predicts a 7MPH trap speed difference between these two ratios. How is this possible if gears don't make a difference in trap speed?

You are surprised that a 200% change in final drive makes a 7 mph trap speed difference? What would a 200% change in power do? That is the real question. I've never said gearing and shift speeds do not matter because they do. However, no one in their right mind would alter a FD in a street (or drag) car from 3.62 to 1.50. Both gearing and shift speeds (and a variety of other factors) play a minor role compared to power for both times and traps. Power to weight is what we call a "first order effect" whereas most other factors are 2nd or 3rd order or less meaning a similar relative % change in those items will have a significantly smaller effect on results. It is basic physics...

akh23456 · 08-31-2011, 07:03 AM

physics gotta love it or hate it. I will talk with some people at work and try to make my own program for some simulations.

Drew you car is crazy and you gotta bring that beast to the east coast please.

lm1z · 09-02-2011, 05:13 PM

Do.
Want.

fastgti69 · 09-03-2011, 11:58 AM

This is straight car porn. I'm loving it Drew.

m33 · 09-04-2011, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by fastgti69

This is straight car porn. I'm loving it Drew.

be sure to use protection

1MOREMOD · 09-04-2011, 06:45 PM

install looks sick as hell. love the red valve covers. you are a lucky man bro. you continue to stay ahead of the curve.

Team Plutonium · 09-04-2011, 07:54 PM

I want this so bad it's retarded.

swamp2 · 09-06-2011, 07:55 PM

img and others interested:

I have posted a new topic and have again strongly refuted your claims of the advantage offered by M-DCT over 6MT for 1/4 mi results for supercharged/highly modded M3.

Link.

DLSJ5 et al: Sorry again for so much off topic banter here on this thread.

Bob MG · 09-09-2011, 09:52 AM

Godammit Drew!! Hurry the F Up?

I keep having to log in and go to page 10... and nothing new

DublinM3 · 09-09-2011, 10:38 AM

Great stuff drew

You had amazing performance and set the bar really high with your 625 kit, cant wait to see what you do with this monster.

ASGM3 · 09-09-2011, 11:05 AM

Bro , Pics / Vids , post something

DLSJ5 · 09-09-2011, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by akh23456

Drew you car is crazy and you gotta bring that beast to the east coast please.

Thanks AK!

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Originally Posted by fastgti69

This is straight car porn. I'm loving it Drew.

Thanks P!

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Originally Posted by chriszeh

install looks sick as hell. love the red valve covers. you are a lucky man bro. you continue to stay ahead of the curve.

Appreciate the kind words, and I'm with you I love the valve covers in that color.

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Originally Posted by Bob MG

Godammit Drew!! Hurry the F Up?

I keep having to log in and go to page 10... and nothing new

Haha, I hear you, it's getting very close tough! You didn't see all the pics?

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Originally Posted by DublinM3

Great stuff drew

You had amazing performance and set the bar really high with your 625 kit, cant wait to see what you do with this monster.

Thanks man, always great to hear that, especially from guys you have a lot of respect for.

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Originally Posted by ASGM3

Bro , Pics / Vids , post something

Hang tight!

DLSJ5 · 09-12-2011, 04:33 PM

The Engine break in has begun.

E90///M3` · 09-12-2011, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DLSJ5

The Engine break in has begun.

have a safe drive back bud... The Alley... let's go. lol

flipm3 · 09-12-2011, 04:59 PM

WOW!! congrats on getting her back!! drive safely and you HAVE to update us on how things are performing.

im very interested to hear how the DCT holds up.

akh23456 · 09-12-2011, 05:10 PM

congrats so you coming to the east coast with the break in drive.

Sniz · 09-12-2011, 05:10 PM

well that is just badass, interested to see how it performs.

well done.

08-30-2011, 12:41 PM	#244
DLSJ5 Colonel Drives: 08 E92 DCT M3 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: CA Posts: 2,800 iTrader: (0)	Built Motor is in - __________________ 08 E92 M3 DCT - Bolt Ons - 60-130MPH 10.71s - 11.88 @ 118MPH - 377WHP ESS VT2-625 SC 60-130MPH 6.80s - 11.30 @ 129.3 MPH 586WHP / 379WTQ @ 7.2psi - 94 octane / Water meth ESS VT3-725 60-130MPH 6.64s - 620Whp/420Wtq@ 11psi ESS VT3-750 - 685Whp/466Wtq@13.5 psi SAE - 703WHP /478WTQ@13.5 psi STD

08-30-2011, 12:42 PM	#245
flipm3 E46 + E90 Drives: E46 M3 + E90 M3 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 2,516 iTrader: (1) Garage List 2009 BMW M3 [0.00] 2002 BMW M3 [0.00]	Those valve covers look pretty cool!!! Mad props. __________________ 2002 E46 M3 6MT \| Jet Black . Black Nappa \| My Build Thread 2009 E90 M3 DCT \| Melbourne Red . Speed Cloth

08-31-2011, 07:03 AM	#249
akh23456 All I do is Win... Eat Race Sleep Drives: F10 M5 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Jersey Posts: 1,909 iTrader: (2) Garage List 2009 M3 [4.28] 2013 f10 M5 [0.00]	physics gotta love it or hate it. I will talk with some people at work and try to make my own program for some simulations. Drew you car is crazy and you gotta bring that beast to the east coast please. __________________ F10 M5 : ??? E90 M3 11.2 126.7 with a 1.8 60ft Street Tires

09-02-2011, 05:13 PM	#250
lm1z Major Drives: 2012 Mineral White E92 M3 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 1,077 iTrader: (18)	Do. Want. __________________ PAST 2002 GGP Lexus IS300 - RMM - HKS - Rays PAST 2007 Black Sapphire E90 335i - BMS - JB+ PAST 2010 Jerez Black E92 M3 CURRENT 2012 Mineral White E92 M3 - IND - EAS - Macht Schnell - H&R - Meisterschaft - CCW

09-04-2011, 06:45 PM	#253
1MOREMOD Major General Drives: at a moderate pace Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: garage Posts: 6,603 iTrader: (3)	install looks sick as hell. love the red valve covers. you are a lucky man bro. you continue to stay ahead of the curve. __________________ 02 Tiag e46 M3\|6MT\|GC plates\|MCS c.o.\|GC race control arms\|GC bushings & bearings\|BW eng. & tran. mounts\|subframe kit\|BW race shifter\|BW Jaffster knob\|Euro header\|Eisenmann sport\|K&N c.a.i.\|Epic race tune\|race pulleys\|Seibon CF hood\|CSL bumper\|CSL brakes\|RS19s\|SS lines\|half cage\|Recaro profi\|Profi 2 harness\|BMWpedals\|Apex studs\| Last edited by 1MOREMOD; 09-04-2011 at 07:39 PM.

09-03-2011, 11:58 AM	#251
fastgti69 New Member Drives: '10 Cobalt SS Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Encino,CA Posts: 23 iTrader: (0)	This is straight car porn. I'm loving it Drew.

09-04-2011, 07:54 PM	#254
Team Plutonium Major General Drives: 911 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Upstate Posts: 8,803 iTrader: (1)	I want this so bad it's retarded. __________________ Gone... ESS VT2-625 \| ESS Tune \| M24 Oil Cooler \| Brembo 380mm BBK \| Dinan 4.10 Diff \| KW Variant 3 Coilovers \| Dinan Camber Plates \| Dinan Strut Tower Braces \| Dinan X-Pipe \| Akrapovic Exhaust \| Vorsteiner GTS3 Bumper \| Varis System One Diffuser \| OEM Performance Spoiler \| Stack Gauges \| GTS Door Sills \| Volk TE37 \| Falken Azenis RT615K 275/315 \| Pulled Fenders \| Turner Stud Kit \| OMP ARS Racing Seats New: 991C2S

09-06-2011, 07:55 PM	#255
swamp2 Major General Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: San Diego, CA USA Posts: 8,377 iTrader: (1)	img and others interested: I have posted a new topic and have again strongly refuted your claims of the advantage offered by M-DCT over 6MT for 1/4 mi results for supercharged/highly modded M3. Link. DLSJ5 et al: Sorry again for so much off topic banter here on this thread. __________________ E92 M3 \| Space Gray on Fox Red \| M-DCT \| CF Roof \| RAC RG63 Wheels \| Brembo 380mm BBK \| \| Vorsteiner Ti Exhaust \| Matte Black Grilles/Side Gills/Rear Emblem/Mirrors \| \| Alekshop Back up Camera \| GP Thunders \| BMW Aluminum Pedals \| Elite Angels \| \| VentureShield Full Front Wrap \| Hardwired V1 \| Interior Xenon Light Kit \|

09-09-2011, 09:52 AM	#256
Bob MG Moderating Drives: like a muppet Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Vienna Posts: 1,740 iTrader: (0)	Godammit Drew!! Hurry the F Up? I keep having to log in and go to page 10... and nothing new

09-09-2011, 10:38 AM	#257
DublinM3 Private Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Everywhere Posts: 70 iTrader: (0)	Great stuff drew You had amazing performance and set the bar really high with your 625 kit, cant wait to see what you do with this monster.

09-09-2011, 11:05 AM	#258
ASGM3 Second Lieutenant Drives: E92 m3 Coupe Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: India Posts: 259 iTrader: (0)	Bro , Pics / Vids , post something __________________

09-12-2011, 04:33 PM	#260
DLSJ5 Colonel Drives: 08 E92 DCT M3 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: CA Posts: 2,800 iTrader: (0)	The Engine break in has begun. __________________ 08 E92 M3 DCT - Bolt Ons - 60-130MPH 10.71s - 11.88 @ 118MPH - 377WHP ESS VT2-625 SC 60-130MPH 6.80s - 11.30 @ 129.3 MPH 586WHP / 379WTQ @ 7.2psi - 94 octane / Water meth ESS VT3-725 60-130MPH 6.64s - 620Whp/420Wtq@ 11psi ESS VT3-750 - 685Whp/466Wtq@13.5 psi SAE - 703WHP /478WTQ@13.5 psi STD

09-12-2011, 04:59 PM	#262
flipm3 E46 + E90 Drives: E46 M3 + E90 M3 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 2,516 iTrader: (1) Garage List 2009 BMW M3 [0.00] 2002 BMW M3 [0.00]	WOW!! congrats on getting her back!! drive safely and you HAVE to update us on how things are performing. im very interested to hear how the DCT holds up. __________________ 2002 E46 M3 6MT \| Jet Black . Black Nappa \| My Build Thread 2009 E90 M3 DCT \| Melbourne Red . Speed Cloth

09-12-2011, 05:10 PM	#263
akh23456 All I do is Win... Eat Race Sleep Drives: F10 M5 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Jersey Posts: 1,909 iTrader: (2) Garage List 2009 M3 [4.28] 2013 f10 M5 [0.00]	congrats so you coming to the east coast with the break in drive. __________________ F10 M5 : ??? E90 M3 11.2 126.7 with a 1.8 60ft Street Tires

09-12-2011, 05:10 PM	#264
Sniz Lieutenant General Drives: e92 335 - gone // e36 M3 turbo Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ellicott City, MD Posts: 10,464 iTrader: (1)	well that is just badass, interested to see how it performs. well done. __________________

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