Buyers beware BMW Fanatic AKA James Dhillon

[Synter]

It has come to my own conclusion this buyer was trying to scam me on a Gintani exhaust I was selling. He stated he wanted the exhaust and would send payment. I recieved a payment via pay pal and noticed it was sent Echeck. I felt he was trying to coerce me to ship prior to the funds clearing because of the email he send me within minutes of sending the funds.

EMAIL I RECEIVED from James Dhillon:
"I've included some screenshots of me sending the payment to your PayPal.. I have just realised because funds are being withdrawn from my debit account it could take 3-4 BUSINESS days for the funds to clear into your account, as opposed to credit which is instant.If you'd like to wait until the funds clear to send the exhaust then I completely understand. I know I only have 2 iTrader ratings (should be 3) but hopefully this influences your decision to ship quicker, I can't wait to get a hold of the Gintani
Let me know what you decide
Regards,
James

I emailed him back replying:
"Hey James, I got your paypal but because you sent a E-check it wont clear untill the 6th of september. Not sure if you were aware of this but If this is the only way you can send payment I'll have to wait for them to clear on the sixth of Sept, And ship once cleared. I have mine directly linked to my savings account and CC so the funds are instantly available. Didnt know if you had that option to get quicker shipment. I'm ok with waiting if you are, wasnt sure if you were on a time crunch or anything. Justin"

He replied with:
"Cancel the payment I sent! I'll send it again via CC later today Regards,James"

Needless to say, I never received those funds nor any messages or emails from him as to why he was not sending payment, keeping in mind this happened over a week ago. In addition to my three attemps to contact the buyer during that period. First was email then by private message then by posting in his WTB thread here.... http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=575340

I have given James more than the benifit of the doubt as to why I didnt not recieve payment as he agreed too. I even have a screen shot of the member viewing the post I replied to in his WTB thread. So I am certain he has seen I was trying to make contact. I am in no way disgruntled or angry at this member. I do feel that I deserved a reason why he wouldnt inform me as to why he wasnt resending the payment. I went to great lengths to get shipping quotes, remove it from the car and send detailed pictures of the exhaust and how I packed it just so I could get it to him in an expedited manner. I even took off two days of work to accommodate him as I would not have time to do it any other way. Prior to requesting those days off work he stated that he was 100% certain he wanted the exhaust.

I am active duty military, I didnt loose any pay or was in dire need of the money from the sale of this exhaust. I only have a limited amount of days off per year and it was wasted on a member that didnt keep his end of the bargain. Not only was I inconvenienced, so was my workcenter as well with an increase of workload in my absence. With that being said, what disappoints me he most is that I will never get those days back. I used some of my pre-planned vacation time that was suppose to be spent with my wife prior to my 365 day deployment and it was all for nothing. Again I state, Buyers Beware!

[BMW Fanatic]

Let's start from the top.

I contacted you after reading a post in another members thread where it was made clear you were selling an exhaust, we exchanged several messages and yes you did get me the quotes and everything as required. In none of the messages is it made clear you packaged the exhaust and took 2 days off work just for me, now that the exhaust is ready to go I'm sure it will sell much quicker. You have also stated you didn't lose any money by taking those 2 days off, which if you didn't I would have reimbursed you on my behalf. I did not try to coerce you into anything, I did not know the funds would take several days to clear and as soon as you made that fact come to light in your next e-mail I didn't push you to send again until the funds were clear.

I'm the furthest thing from a scammer, I know many people on this board that can vouch for me and know I like to keep things in line with everyone I meet. I have good relationships with vendors also after purchasing through them in the past, I also have a post count which amounts to more than four times yours so that should show I am an active member on this board who owns a 2011 M3, I have made a thread with pics previously so you can be assured I do own the car also.

I cancelled the E-check as I did not have the appropriate funds in my bank account at the time which came to my attention a little after I got ahead of myself, I have entailed a charge of $42.50 for this as it was 'refunded' bank into my account. I could have paid by Credit Card later no issue but I decided against purchasing any additional mods for my car at this moment in time due to university fees. I am immigrant from the UK been here 2 years and my family is due to move back toward the end of this year permanently so I am forced to cut costs in that respect and look out for number-one from now on.

I'm sorry you feel you lost 2 days of your life and yes it would have been in kind respect for me to have e-mailed you regarding all of this but to create a thread that is unnecessary and leave negative feedback in such a short space of time is just plain absurd.

I would appreciate if this thread was deleted on your behalf and negative iTrader REMOVED, I would NOT appreciate my name coming up in any search engine just to show this thread.

If you would like to further communicate then do not hesitate to send me a PM or an e-mail that address you already have.

Good day.

Regards,
James

[montreal red]

Originally Posted by BMW Fanatic

Let's start from the top.

I contacted you after reading a post in another members thread where it was made clear you were selling an exhaust, we exchanged several messages and yes you did get me the quotes and everything as required. In none of the messages is it made clear you packaged the exhaust and took 2 days off work just for me, now that the exhaust is ready to go I'm sure it will sell much quicker. You have also stated you didn't lose any money by taking those 2 days off, which if you didn't I would have reimbursed you on my behalf. I did not try to coerce you into anything, I did not know the funds would take several days to clear and as soon as you made that fact come to light in your next e-mail I didn't push you to send again until the funds were clear.

I'm the furthest thing from a scammer, I know many people on this board that can vouch for me and know I like to keep things in line with everyone I meet. I have good relationships with vendors also after purchasing through them in the past, I also have a post count which amounts to more than four times yours so that should show I am an active member on this board who owns a 2011 M3, I have made a thread with pics previously so you can be assured I do own the car also.

I cancelled the E-check as I did not have the appropriate funds in my bank account at the time which came to my attention a little after I got ahead of myself, I have entailed a charge of $42.50 for this as it was 'refunded' bank into my account. I could have paid by Credit Card later no issue but I decided against purchasing any additional mods for my car at this moment in time due to university fees. I am immigrant from the UK been here 2 years and my family is due to move back toward the end of this year permanently so I am forced to cut costs in that respect and look out for number-one from now on.

I'm sorry you feel you lost 2 days of your life and yes it would have been in kind respect for me to have e-mailed you regarding all of this but to create a thread that is unnecessary and leave negative feedback in such a short space of time is just plain absurd.

I would appreciate if this thread was deleted on your behalf and negative iTrader REMOVED, I would NOT appreciate my name coming up in any search engine just to show this thread.

If you would like to further communicate then do not hesitate to send me a PM or an e-mail that address you already have.

Good day.

Regards,
James

should have thought bout this before you decided to purchase. would have saved both of you guys a lot of hassle.

[Synter]

I dont care what your rep is here on this site, hey even the president and famous people has been involved in scandals. I find it interesting that your trying to sell a car that you are trying to aquire parts for, in addition that you do not disclose that the engine was blown.

http://calgary.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehi...AdIdZ306390488


From a private message you received James:
So I did some quick quotes for ya online with rough estimates and shipping would be about 5 days through UPS and about 80 dollars per section of exhaust(two packages) to the Montana address minus packaging but I'll go ahead and eat that cost. So roughly 160 USD to get it shipped for both sections of the exhaust. I went ahead and took off thursday from work so I can pull it from the car and get it sent out on thursday. So all in total it would be 2160 USD(if you took the lip as well or just 1610 USD for the exhaust . Let me know if this works for you.

Justin


Also I can start pulling emails if you like showing you where I did in fact send you pictures of the exhaust, packed for you and ready to go. You are a shady buyer and members should be aware of your buying habits. I dont see a point in sending you anymore emails or private messasages considering our past transaction. Now if you were to contact me, and let me know you were going to have to back out of buying I would have respected that, and we wouldnt be where we are now. But you didnt and I had to inform other members that the exhaust was taken and lost out on potential sale. As far as this thread being deleted, it shall not. As far as the neg itrader rating, it will remain. There was a transaction of money between you and I which gives me full rights to leave feedback/comments.

[Synter]

Also James another interesting fact I found. If your hurting for money and didnt have funds for my Exhaust, your post in the following thread contradicts your defence in this one.

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=560372

[E90///M3`]

[BMW Fanatic]

You my friend are way too serious about things in life. Please sell your M3 and move onto a different forum. You won't know the ins and outs to my story and at this point in time I won't go into details as it is clearly just a waste of your time and mine. Feel free to keep this thread and your iTrader rating for me. As for not disclosing the blown engine, I have not once mentioned in my ad the car has NOT had any mechanical issues I have simply stated no body work repairs or accidents have ever occurred, if I was to write that in the ad then I would not receive any responses, this way I can disclose it to the potential buyer when they have seen the car is flawless in every aspect.

I will not be returning to this thread, continue your reports all you want it won't affect me and the mods I plan to buy/sell in the future. I have paid a very huge premium to own this car (prices in Canada aren't cheap) and I WILL enjoy it without the Gintani exhaust. I am a 3.8 GPA student who will go into law school at one of the top Universities in NA next fall, this kind of topical discussion is just a waste of my time.

Regards,
James

[Synter]

Maybe unlike you I can show humility, therefore I apoligize for listing you as a "Scammer". That might not be the correct term to describe You. But be empathetic for a moment and use your own logic as to why I think you were trying to scam. I find it very unprofessional that you didnt respond to any attempts of mine to inquire as to why payment wasnt sent again. Which only leaves to one conclusion I had, scamming.

Take care James and the best of luck to you. Hopefully law school will make you more of an honorable and forthcoming person than you have been in the past. Maybe you can learn a bit of integrity along the way as well.

Justin

[1MOREMOD]

[persian54]

IIRC, it is against forum policy to display PMs

you're free to display emails, but I believe displaying PMs is against policy as those are Private Messages

Just saying...


Anyways, BMW Fanatac simply saw a way to pull out of a purchase.

If his payment had cleared your account, you had shipped the item out, and then he didn't want it anymore and wanted to send it back for a refund, I would understand your frustration op.
But you need to learn that selling used items online (ebay, this forum, other forums, etc) is a real PAIN IN THE AAAAA

Lesson learned: Don't go about removing mods without a deposit

I have a couple of people interesting in my friend's s/c kit, and one person who is going to test drive it this week.
But my friend is not ignorant enough to pay $$$ and take time to take the kit off without either A) full payment upfront or B) a deposit equal to the amount of labor.
This is common business.
When I was selling my AA Xpipe, I did not have it removed and replaced with my current Akra until I had a buyer who sent me a CLEARED payment (not one lined up or waiting for clearance).

I do believe that BMW Fanatac should have informed you as to WHY he cancelled the payment etc etc, but the fact that you have been butthurt over it....is a bit immature (for the lack of a better word) IMHO.

Things happen.

How do you think business feel when they go out of their way to sell a product to someone only to have it returned? (like ATT employees and T mobile guys. They get their commissions reversed if the customer returns the phones and cancels the lines)
I under you're not a business, but I'm just trying to make a point

Now just kiss and make up you two

[Synter]

Originally Posted by persian54

IIRC, it is against forum policy to display PMs

you're free to display emails, but I believe displaying PMs is against policy as those are Private Messages

Just saying...


Anyways, BMW Fanatac simply saw a way to pull out of a purchase.

If his payment had cleared your account, you had shipped the item out, and then he didn't want it anymore and wanted to send it back for a refund, I would understand your frustration op.
But you need to learn that selling used items online (ebay, this forum, other forums, etc) is a real PAIN IN THE AAAAA

Lesson learned: Don't go about removing mods without a deposit

I have a couple of people interesting in my friend's s/c kit, and one person who is going to test drive it this week.
But my friend is not ignorant enough to pay $$$ and take time to take the kit off without either A) full payment upfront or B) a deposit equal to the amount of labor.
This is common business.
When I was selling my AA Xpipe, I did not have it removed and replaced with my current Akra until I had a buyer who sent me a CLEARED payment (not one lined up or waiting for clearance).

I do believe that BMW Fanatac should have informed you as to WHY he cancelled the payment etc etc, but the fact that you have been butthurt over it....is a bit immature (for the lack of a better word) IMHO.

Things happen.

How do you think business feel when they go out of their way to sell a product to someone only to have it returned? (like ATT employees and T mobile guys. They get their commissions reversed if the customer returns the phones and cancels the lines)
I under you're not a business, but I'm just trying to make a point

Now just kiss and make up you two

Thanks for the input, I wasnt aware it's against policy on this forum, but given the circumstances to inform members of a bad transaction I think it can be overlooked. Try and spend two less days with your wife that you wont see for a year living in auster conditions. And then tell me if that wouldnt be motivation enough for you to make a thread, not immaturity. I was not at all frustrated that I pulled an exhaust from a car with out a deposit. I think you've missed the main point of making it in the first place.

As far as in kissing and making up that's already been done, I've apoligized he's apoligized. It's a done deal, but I will never buy/sell again to him. Lesson learned.

[persian54]

Originally Posted by Synter

Thanks for the input, I wasnt aware it's against policy on this forum, but given the circumstances to inform members of a bad transaction I think it can be overlooked. Try and spend two less days with your wife that you wont see for a year living in auster conditions. And then tell me if that wouldnt be motivation enough for you to make a thread, not immaturity. I was not at all frustrated that I pulled an exhaust from a car with out a deposit. I think you've missed the main point of making it in the first place.

As far as in kissing and making up that's already been done, I've apoligized he's apoligized. It's a done deal, but I will never buy/sell again to him. Lesson learned.

Immaturity was an incorrect word, hence why I said "for loss of a better word"

I too have had LTR moments (Though I wasn't going to be in rough conditions..), so I can somewhat but not completely understand where you're coming from.

Sorry if I missed the main point that you were trying to make.

Glad you guys have kissed and made up

[GMW]

Originally Posted by E90///M3`

+1

[MEMMEZZ]

Originally Posted by persian54

IIRC, it is against forum policy to display PMs

you're free to display emails, but I believe displaying PMs is against policy as those are Private Messages

Just saying...


Anyways, BMW Fanatac simply saw a way to pull out of a purchase.

If his payment had cleared your account, you had shipped the item out, and then he didn't want it anymore and wanted to send it back for a refund, I would understand your frustration op.
But you need to learn that selling used items online (ebay, this forum, other forums, etc) is a real PAIN IN THE AAAAA

Lesson learned: Don't go about removing mods without a deposit

I have a couple of people interesting in my friend's s/c kit, and one person who is going to test drive it this week.
But my friend is not ignorant enough to pay $$$ and take time to take the kit off without either A) full payment upfront or B) a deposit equal to the amount of labor.
This is common business.
When I was selling my AA Xpipe, I did not have it removed and replaced with my current Akra until I had a buyer who sent me a CLEARED payment (not one lined up or waiting for clearance).

I do believe that BMW Fanatac should have informed you as to WHY he cancelled the payment etc etc, but the fact that you have been butthurt over it....is a bit immature (for the lack of a better word) IMHO.

Things happen.

How do you think business feel when they go out of their way to sell a product to someone only to have it returned? (like ATT employees and T mobile guys. They get their commissions reversed if the customer returns the phones and cancels the lines)
I under you're not a business, but I'm just trying to make a point

Now just kiss and make up you two

+1
Seems like just one of the completely normal headaches of selling used items online. if 2 days are that important to you, you shouldnt waste your time in the classifieds section at all. it can easily consume much more time without going outside the norms of these types of transactions.

[Synter]

Originally Posted by MEMMEZZ

+1
Seems like just one of the completely normal headaches of selling used items online. if 2 days are that important to you, you shouldnt waste your time in the classifieds section at all. it can easily consume much more time without going outside the norms of these types of transactions.

I guess I should be sorry then I went out of my way to accomodate another member that guaranteed me 100 percent that he wanted the exhaust. Guess I'm just a bad guy for doing as such...

[persian54]

Originally Posted by Synter

I guess I should be sorry then I went out of my way to accomodate another member that guaranteed me 100 percent that he wanted the exhaust. Guess I'm just a bad guy for doing as such...

No one said you're a "bad guy"

Just seem inexperience in online sales

People alway say stuff like "dibs!" "I'll take it! What's your paypal!?!?!"

I dont' care what anyone says, the one who PAYS me first gets the item

I don't have 170 iTrader for nothing

I sell stuff for my friends all the time... I could only imagine if I told them I sold something and then the buyer flaked... i would never tell them or make them go through work without full payment or a deposit in my account

you'll learn as you sell more and buy more stuff

Plenty of times I have bought something from someone who told me they didn't have the stuff anymore..or it wasn't as described... or someone else paid too etc etc...

if i made a thread about each of these people.... I'd have several pages worth of threads lol

[Synter]

Originally Posted by persian54

No one said you're a "bad guy"

Just seem inexperience in online sales

People alway say stuff like "dibs!" "I'll take it! What's your paypal!?!?!"

I dont' care what anyone says, the one who PAYS me first gets the item

I don't have 170 iTrader for nothing

I sell stuff for my friends all the time... I could only imagine if I told them I sold something and then the buyer flaked... i would never tell them or make them go through work without full payment or a deposit in my account

you'll learn as you sell more and buy more stuff

Plenty of times I have bought something from someone who told me they didn't have the stuff anymore..or it wasn't as described... or someone else paid too etc etc...

if i made a thread about each of these people.... I'd have several pages worth of threads lol

I know I'm not, lol I was being facetious. I'm not here to look for sympathy from other members(I'm not saying you or anybody else is giving me that) But I do feel that if their is one bad apple out of the bunch people should be informed of that. Why else would they just make a section dedicated to Feedbacks/Comments good or bad? Obviously that is a rhetorical question.

[alpineweiss300]

Originally Posted by Synter

I know I'm not, lol I was being facetious. I'm not here to look for sympathy from other members(I'm not saying you or anybody else is giving me that) But I do feel that if their is one bad apple out of the bunch people should be informed of that. Why else would they just make a section dedicated to Feedbacks/Comments good or bad? Obviously that is a rhetorical question.

I am just wondering what would have happened if you had shipped the exhaust out based on good faith and then when it came time for the funds to clear you get a message from paypal about low / insufficient balance? what then? You cant necessarily pull your shipment back? right?

[Synter]

Originally Posted by alpineweiss300

I am just wondering what would have happened if you had shipped the exhaust out based on good faith and then when it came time for the funds to clear you get a message from paypal about low / insufficient balance? what then? You cant necessarily pull your shipment back? right?

I would be screwed. I'm guessing I'd probably have to file a claim and wait who knows how long to receive the money back. He simply stated to me in an email

"I know I only have 2 iTrader ratings (should be 3) but hopefully this influences your decision to ship quicker"

And this is where I was feeling coerced. I'm smart enough to know not to ship prior to funds clearing, that's why we both agreed to cancel and resend the payment for instant transfer. But it never happened. At the time I felt he was trying to pursuade me in shipping the exhaust prior to funds clearing so he can cancel the check and get away with fraud. I was only reassured of this when the payment was canceled, he never sent another payment like he stated and then wouldnt reply to any of my emails.

[persian54]

Originally Posted by Synter

I would be screwed. I'm guessing I'd probably have to file a claim and wait who knows how long to receive the money back. He simply stated to me in an email

"I know I only have 2 iTrader ratings (should be 3) but hopefully this influences your decision to ship quicker"

And this is where I was feeling coerced. I'm smart enough to know not to ship prior to funds clearing, that's why we both agreed to cancel and resend the payment for instant transfer. But it never happened. At the time I felt he was trying to pursuade me in shipping the exhaust prior to funds clearing so he can cancel the check and get away with fraud. I was only reassured of this when the payment was canceled, he never sent another payment like he stated and then wouldnt reply to any of my emails.

Once someone sends payment never cancel it lol.... you lose money that way.
Just saying

Also, you couldn't file a claim as Paypal rules state that with e-checks you need to wait until they're cleared.
if they clear, and THEN you ship, and THEN something comes up, you can file a claim.
but you CANNOT file a claim due to you shipping before funds clearing. paypal states that you are NOT protected until funds clear

Just trying to inform you for the future

[Synter]

That part was obvious to me and thanks for the info. With your Itrader rating I can only assume you've had to do this in the past?

[persian54]

Originally Posted by Synter

That part was obvious to me and thanks for the info. With your Itrader rating I can only assume you've had to do this in the past?

It has happened to me in the past

Had someone who kept telling me I should ship even though payment hasn't cleared and i could trust him etc etc. payment ended up bouncing. He ended up giving me his CC info and i used my SquareUp app to charge it. wasn't that much of a PITA. if i had shipped it and his payment bounced...that would have been a real PITA.

it was for a $3k sale of rims.
Honestly, if I had shipped, and it bounced and he never paid me again, I would have drove up to NorCal and knocked on his door....
lol