M3 comp pack

Prophizee · 09-07-2011, 08:47 AM

Gentlemen I just drove an m3 coupe with the comp package around the track then drove my 2011 m3 coupe around the track and I just didnt notice a difference. My lap times were the same; 3 on each and the handling was the same. I am wondering how you guys felt about the comp pack. In my humble opinion I think its absolutely pointless unless I am missing something. Mind you I am not professional driver just like going Yo the track to have some fun and let go of some stress. Thanks in advance for any feedback

James T. Kirk · 09-07-2011, 09:00 AM

Did you activate stiffer suspension settings? That's essentially the difference along with being a bit lower stock-to-stock.

M3tallicar · 09-07-2011, 09:42 AM

Curious-did you try different settings and also compare the difference in the traction control? DSC supposedly is different and allows for more slip - of course differences in tires between two cars can have an effect on performance/ feel

Were the cars otherwise the same?

e46e92love · 09-07-2011, 09:50 AM

I'm sure none of us amateurs will be able to tell the difference between ZCP cars and non-ZCP cars on the track, becuase we are not even good enough to get everything out of a non-ZCP car.

Cheers,
e46e92

CBS · 09-07-2011, 10:02 AM

I have had two identical M3's. Only difference, one was an '08 and the other a '11 with ZCP. Both were identical in every other option and body style.

During my initial drive, I believe I felt a difference where the '11 had an advantage in:

1. DCT smoothness and speed of shifting.
2. Suspension was "slightly" stiffer on the highest setting.

I tracked both vehicles and my skill is not at a level where I can detect a difference. I did not keep lap times so I have nothing to compare.

stefan · 09-07-2011, 10:51 AM

You mean all the hype and it makes no difference in feel or lap times? I'm shocked. Here I thought 10mm lowering springs and slightly tweaked MDM would transform the car.

On a serious note, thanks for reporting your findings!

Nelrock · 09-07-2011, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prophizee

Gentlemen I just drove an m3 coupe with the comp package around the track then drove my 2011 m3 coupe around the track and I just didnt notice a difference. My lap times were the same; 3 on each and the handling was the same. I am wondering how you guys felt about the comp pack. In my humble opinion I think its absolutely pointless unless I am missing something. Mind you I am not professional driver just like going Yo the track to have some fun and let go of some stress. Thanks in advance for any feedback

I don't recall there being any performance claims with the ZCP.

Many of us that went that route did so, because the 359M wheels and the lowered ride height, were worth the extra $2275. So no...not absolutely pointless to some.

FVM3 · 09-07-2011, 11:47 AM

i believe that theres some setting in idrive that doesnt exist on non zcp cars

EuroTrip · 09-07-2011, 11:52 AM

It is likely that the average person could not notice the difference in suspension or EDC/MDM factory modifications.

However, the ZCP wheels themselves IMO are the most important part of the equation. They are lighter and stronger than the 19" pre-ZCP wheel. Also, they look so good that you don't need aftermarket wheels.

Additionally, if you look at the preowned E46 private party market and compare 06 ZCP vs. non there is a definite value added.

I personally think that M should have added some colors and made them ZCP specific like Interlagos was with the E46.

HeartMD · 09-07-2011, 12:57 PM

I have ZCP and for me I love the wheels that alone was what got me.
Although I think BMW could have done a better job ie: added the BMW performance exhaust as park of the ZCP package, even if they increased the priced by 1500. I personally am a novice driver and havent even pushed the car hard enought to have MDM kick in.
just my 2cent

mmm def · 09-07-2011, 01:59 PM

I got ZCP and will NEVER set foot on a track. What a dumbass I am to spend the $.

ChrisK · 09-07-2011, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by christopherchenm

i believe that theres some setting in idrive that doesnt exist on non zcp cars

No sir, they are exactly the same.

ChrisK · 09-07-2011, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by EuroTrip

It is likely that the average person could not notice the difference in suspension or EDC/MDM factory modifications.

However, the ZCP wheels themselves IMO are the most important part of the equation. They are lighter and stronger than the 19" pre-ZCP wheel. Also, they look so good that you don't need aftermarket wheels.

Additionally, if you look at the preowned E46 private party market and compare 06 ZCP vs. non there is a definite value added.

I personally think that M should have added some colors and made them ZCP specific like Interlagos was with the E46.

Oh boy...the amount of incorrect information on these forums makes me nuts.

The 359M ZCP wheels are gravity cast, and heavier than the Stronger Forged 220M wheels. However the 359M ZCP wheels are .5" wider.

Added value, most people on these forums don't know the difference between ZCP and Non-ZCP, let alone the average buyer.

wisesoul · 09-07-2011, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EuroTrip

It is likely that the average person could not notice the difference in suspension or EDC/MDM factory modifications.

However, the ZCP wheels themselves IMO are the most important part of the equation. They are lighter and stronger than the 19" pre-ZCP wheel. Also, they look so good that you don't need aftermarket wheels.

Additionally, if you look at the preowned E46 private party market and compare 06 ZCP vs. non there is a definite value added.

I personally think that M should have added some colors and made them ZCP specific like Interlagos was with the E46.

They aren't stronger. 359M is cast, not forged like the 220m and the 359m is heavier. But I prefer the look of the ZCPs. Where the heck did you get your info anyways lol

ChrisK · 09-07-2011, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by wisesoul

They aren't stronger. 359M is cast, not forged like the 220m and the 359m is heavier. But I prefer the look of the ZCPs. Where the heck did you get your info anyways lol

+1 What he said!

persian54 · 09-07-2011, 02:23 PM

I don't understand why people STILL think the ZCPs wheels are lighter.. X.x

ES_TRADER · 09-07-2011, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisK

Oh boy...the amount of incorrect information on these forums makes me nuts.

The 359M ZCP wheels are gravity cast, and heavier than the Stronger Forged 220M wheels. However the 359M ZCP wheels are .5" wider.

Added value, most people on these forums don't know the difference between ZCP and Non-ZCP, let alone the average buyer.

i read somewhere on the forums that ZCP stands for "Zeeee Competition Package" is that right?

mkoesel · 09-07-2011, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prophizee

In my humble opinion I think its absolutely pointless unless I am missing something.

You are but it isn't necessarily obvious: ZCP is not strictly a performance option, despite the name "Competition Package". It does provide the car with a slightly the lower ride, slightly wider stance, active Sport EDC mode, and more forgiving MDM mode. And thus it may, under the right circumstances with the right driver, yield some measurable performance improvement. But it is not going to transform the car like aftermarket brakes, coil overs, and DOT racing tires would, for example.

Quote:

Mind you I am not professional driver just like going Yo the track to have some fun and let go of some stress.

ZCP is perfect for you. But then so is the basic car without it. If you don't have any particular affinity for the ZCP-equipped car, either aesthetically or otherwise, then just skip it.

1Sleeper · 09-07-2011, 02:39 PM

My car has the comp package so it MUST be faster and handle better and I dont care what kind of "facts" you throw at me. Do you honestly think any of us would order that package if it didnt?? Come on. Once I added CF, WOW!

Prophizee · 09-07-2011, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prophizee

In my humble opinion I think its absolutely pointless unless I am missing something.

You are but it isn't necessarily obvious: ZCP is not strictly a performance option, despite the name "Competition Package". It does provide the car with a slightly the lower ride, slightly wider stance, active Sport EDC mode, and more forgiving MDM mode. And thus it may, under the right circumstances with the right driver, yield some measurable performance improvement. But it is not going to transform the car like aftermarket brakes, coil overs, and DOT racing tires would, for example.

Quote:

Mind you I am not professional driver just like going Yo the track to have some fun and let go of some stress.

ZCP is perfect for you. But then so is the basic car without it. If you don't have any particular affinity for the ZCP-equipped car, either aesthetically or otherwise, then just skip it.

No I already got my M3 coupe like 2 months ago without zcp. I love the upgraded wheels better then the zcp wheels. I think it gives the car the classic m3 look just my opinion

Templar · 09-07-2011, 03:01 PM

I like the style of the wheels. That is about it.

Considering the options when building it as a new car, it's really not that much more money (if you were going to get the 220M wheels and EDC anyway).

Midwest X6 · 09-07-2011, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeartMD

I have ZCP and for me I love the wheels that alone was what got me.
Although I think BMW could have done a better job ie: added the BMW performance exhaust as park of the ZCP package, even if they increased the priced by 1500. I personally am a novice driver and havent even pushed the car hard enought to have MDM kick in.
just my 2cent

Couldn't agree more...I will never be enough driver to wring-out this cars true capabilities...But I enjoy the attributes on the ZCP none-the-less.

09-07-2011, 08:47 AM	#1
Prophizee Second Lieutenant Drives: 2011 BMW M3 Coupe Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Central New Jersey Posts: 275 iTrader: (0)	M3 comp pack Gentlemen I just drove an m3 coupe with the comp package around the track then drove my 2011 m3 coupe around the track and I just didnt notice a difference. My lap times were the same; 3 on each and the handling was the same. I am wondering how you guys felt about the comp pack. In my humble opinion I think its absolutely pointless unless I am missing something. Mind you I am not professional driver just like going Yo the track to have some fun and let go of some stress. Thanks in advance for any feedback
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09-07-2011, 09:00 AM	#2
James T. Kirk Captain of the Enterprise Drives: 2011 1 Series M Coupe Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Alpha Quadrant, Sector 001 Posts: 1,407 iTrader: (0)	Did you activate stiffer suspension settings? That's essentially the difference along with being a bit lower stock-to-stock. __________________ 2011 1 Series M Coupe VO M3 vs 1M Comparo Review 2011 M3 E90 DCT ZCP (sold) * 2010 335i Sedan (sold) 2005 M3 Convertible (sold) * 2003 325i Sedan (sold)

09-07-2011, 09:50 AM	#4
e46e92love Colonel Drives: e92 ///M3; X3 (wife's) Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: The East Side of Things Posts: 2,990 iTrader: (0)	I'm sure none of us amateurs will be able to tell the difference between ZCP cars and non-ZCP cars on the track, becuase we are not even good enough to get everything out of a non-ZCP car. Cheers, e46e92 __________________ "...it's not about the money and not about the brand of the car, it's about handling,performance and passion......And that, no other car has all together like an M3........when you talk about the most complete car the M is invincible." --Tony Kanaan.

09-07-2011, 10:02 AM	#5
CBS Captain Drives: E90 M3 - E60 528xi Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA Posts: 877 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2013 BMW X3 [0.00] 2011 BMW M3 E90 [4.85] 2009 BMW 528xi [0.00] 2008 BMW 328xi [0.00]	I have had two identical M3's. Only difference, one was an '08 and the other a '11 with ZCP. Both were identical in every other option and body style. During my initial drive, I believe I felt a difference where the '11 had an advantage in: 1. DCT smoothness and speed of shifting. 2. Suspension was "slightly" stiffer on the highest setting. I tracked both vehicles and my skill is not at a level where I can detect a difference. I did not keep lap times so I have nothing to compare. __________________ ESS VT-1 550 \| M24 Oil Cooler \| Fall Line Half Cage \| RaceTech 4009W \| 6 pt Harness \| Rear Seat Delete \| Motion Control DA Dampers w/remote reservoirs \| 900/650 Hyperco Springs \| RD Sport Sway Bars \| Brembo 380 BBK \| GC Camber Plates \| Michelin Cups \| GTS Black Wheels \| Eisenmann Sport \| Stack Gauges \| Painted Challenge Front Lip \| Painted ZCP Rear Spoiler \| Xpel Ultimate Film \| LuxAngelEyes Last edited by CBS; 09-07-2011 at 10:26 AM.

09-07-2011, 10:51 AM	#6
stefan Colonel Drives: E92M3 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Calgary Posts: 2,020 iTrader: (2) Garage List 1999 VF BMW M3 [5.00] 2008 135i [5.00] 2003 M3 [3.10] 2011.75 BMW M3 [4.17] 2009 STi [3.83]	You mean all the hype and it makes no difference in feel or lap times? I'm shocked. Here I thought 10mm lowering springs and slightly tweaked MDM would transform the car. On a serious note, thanks for reporting your findings! __________________ ///M Power - 2011.75 LMB M3 6MT (fuelly)

09-07-2011, 09:42 AM	#3
M3tallicar Second Lieutenant Drives: 4 wheels Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: norcal Posts: 298 iTrader: (0)	Curious-did you try different settings and also compare the difference in the traction control? DSC supposedly is different and allows for more slip - of course differences in tires between two cars can have an effect on performance/ feel Were the cars otherwise the same?

09-07-2011, 11:47 AM	#8
FVM3 Brigadier General Drives: 2011 E93 M3 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 4,836 iTrader: (2)	i believe that theres some setting in idrive that doesnt exist on non zcp cars __________________ 2011 E93 DCT

09-07-2011, 11:52 AM	#9
EuroTrip BMW FAN Drives: 2011 E92 M3 DCT ZCP Mineral Wt Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Laguna Beach, CA Posts: 654 iTrader: (5)	It is likely that the average person could not notice the difference in suspension or EDC/MDM factory modifications. However, the ZCP wheels themselves IMO are the most important part of the equation. They are lighter and stronger than the 19" pre-ZCP wheel. Also, they look so good that you don't need aftermarket wheels. Additionally, if you look at the preowned E46 private party market and compare 06 ZCP vs. non there is a definite value added. I personally think that M should have added some colors and made them ZCP specific like Interlagos was with the E46.

09-07-2011, 12:57 PM	#10
HeartMD Lieutenant Drives: 2011.75 MW,ZCP E92 Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: CT Posts: 453 iTrader: (0)	I have ZCP and for me I love the wheels that alone was what got me. Although I think BMW could have done a better job ie: added the BMW performance exhaust as park of the ZCP package, even if they increased the priced by 1500. I personally am a novice driver and havent even pushed the car hard enought to have MDM kick in. just my 2cent __________________ 2011.75 E92 MW/BB extended,ZCP,ZP2,ZCV, IPOD,BMW APPS, Heatedseats,6MT, Edition Black Chrome Grills & Side Gills, CF splitters, CF performance spoiler, CF mirror caps, Turner black anodized pedals, Akropovic Evolution exhaust w/CF tips, Still Undecided on tune, AFE Pro5r, AFE intake scoops, LUX H8 2009 E92 JB/Black 335 xdrive (retired)

09-07-2011, 01:59 PM	#11
mmm def Colonel Drives: 07 Accord 6-6 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: NJ Posts: 2,535 iTrader: (0)	I got ZCP and will NEVER set foot on a track. What a dumbass I am to spend the $.

09-07-2011, 02:23 PM	#16
persian54 Lieutenant General Drives: MW E93 M3/E89 Z4 35i Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The Valley, SoCal Posts: 15,352 iTrader: (258)	I don't understand why people STILL think the ZCPs wheels are lighter.. X.x __________________ Next track day: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=651089 Sorry I'm just someone who comes on here to fill a void..I dont have the $ to own a BMW. This is a nice E93:http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=434032

09-07-2011, 02:39 PM	#19
1Sleeper First Lieutenant Drives: E90 M3, 997tt, Jeep Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Where I need to be Posts: 380 iTrader: (1)	My car has the comp package so it MUST be faster and handle better and I dont care what kind of "facts" you throw at me. Do you honestly think any of us would order that package if it didnt?? Come on. Once I added CF, WOW!

09-07-2011, 03:01 PM	#21
Templar Lieutenant Colonel Drives: 2011 E92 M3 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NC Posts: 1,701 iTrader: (1) Garage List 2011 BMW M3 [5.00]	I like the style of the wheels. That is about it. Considering the options when building it as a new car, it's really not that much more money (if you were going to get the 220M wheels and EDC anyway). __________________ '11 BMW E92 ///M3 - ZCP and DCT '11 Ford F-150 XLT - Supercrew, 4x4, Ecoboost V6, Chrome/Convenience Package, Tow Package

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